Living Like There Is No God

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Craig Groeschel is the founding and senior pastor of LifeChurch.tv - one of the country's first multi-site churches with more than 80 weekly worship services meeting at 14 locations, including an online campus.

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Epicurus

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Mar 25, 2011
 
True witness wrote:
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Even tho you have no respect for God's word the Bible, I do believe your question is sincere.
The Scripture you quoted was a judgement in a prophetic illustration Jesus gave his new follower Zacchaeus. In the illustration the master had the right as King to expect his slaves to work for his interest, and because the one slave did not obey his master, he represented all those who claim to serve the King, but are unfaithful. They make themselves enemies of the King and therefore get cut off in judgement.
The point is, we must serve God as Jesus did, the true servant of Jehovah God, with our whole heart, soul, and strength.
(Mark 12:29-30) 29 Jesus answered:“The first is,‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah, 30 and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’
WHAT!

Abandon Reason, Common Sense, Truth, Fact and Logic for some imaginary friend(s)? How ridiculous in the 21st century!

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******** Robert Green Ingersoll

Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself.

There are many millions of people who believe the Bible to be the inspired word of God -- millions who think that this book is staff and guide, counselor and consoler; that it fills the present with peace and the future with hope -- millions who believe that it is the fountain of law, Justice and mercy, and that to its wise and benign teachings the world is indebted for its liberty, wealth and civilization -- millions who imagine that this book is a revelation from the wisdom and love of God to the brain and heart of man -- millions who regard this book as a torch that conquers the darkness of death, and pours its radiance on another world -- a world without a tear.

They forget its ignorance and savagery, its hatred of liberty, its religious persecution; they remember heaven, but they forget the dungeon of eternal pain. They forget that it imprisons the brain and corrupts the heart. They forget that it is the enemy of intellectual freedom.

Liberty is my religion. Liberty of hand and brain -- of thought and labor, liberty is a word hated by kings -- loathed by popes. It is a word that shatters thrones and altars -- that leaves the crowned without subjects, and the outstretched hand of superstition without alms. Liberty is the blossom and fruit of justice -- the perfume of mercy.
Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy.
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no respect for the buybull and asking you a question about why you beleive it are not directed connected concepts
the question is valid, sincerity is not a component of valid
it's interesting to glimpse your thought processes and it makes sense that your basic thinking is oriented on very different values - which makes that you arrive at a different conclusion about the world, based on the same information available to all
than those of us with a different conclusion - and, given these discussions, because we are oriented on different values.
the most critical one being, we love life, so are practically oriented on what makes life livable now - science, reality
and beleivers love life, but not this one, they love the next one - and so convince themselves that this is some kind of dress rehearsal to get to the life that they want to have - the afterlife
however, because of us, you are not 100% sure you are right, but have to beleive you are - so this is why you are fantatical about your beleifs, which are fractured and inconsistent because it is an exceptionally flawed framework for life and living now.
That explains why the anti-abortion, anti-euthanasia - you really aren't sure that there is an afterlife so you fight very hard within narrow boundaries against death.
And, you are unwilling to see people who don’t share your delusional framework as less moral and less worthy. So refuse them rights and privledges and when you can’t do that, must demand special consideration of you and yours.
You cannot see the world in degrees, only in black and white
It must be exhausting to be you, I actually feel sad for you that you will never know peace.
If I did not think the writer was sincere, I would not have answered the question.

Your estimation of being an obedient subject of God's word, and someone who can't give up this world, as all true Chirstians should do to imitate Jesus and his disciples, is just that, your personal opinion. 1 John 2:15-17

There is no doubt that people who think like you do, are very much in the majority, but none the less there are people called Jehovah's witnesses that do live for God's will according to his word the Bible. We are not fanatical, just zealous. Jesus said his sheep are out there in this world, we just have to find them. Those are the only people who will know true peace and contentment in these last days, because they rest their hopes on their faith in God's word.

Your terminology in conversation about the Bible is archaic, based on human reasoning, and not fact from Scriptures. Just showing that accurate knowledge as faith is not the possession of all men.
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Epicurus wrote:
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...There are many millions of people who believe the Bible to be the inspired word of God -- millions who think that this book is staff and guide, counselor and consoler; that it fills the present with peace and the future with hope -- millions who believe that it is the fountain of law, Justice and mercy, and that to its wise and benign teachings the world is indebted for its liberty, wealth and civilization -- millions who imagine that this book is a revelation from the wisdom and love of God to the brain and heart of man -- millions who regard this book as a torch that conquers the darkness of death, and pours its radiance on another world -- a world without a tear....
and they beleive this because they have either not read it or have read but haven't understood it
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<quoted text>Come on... you know as well as I do that the vast, VAST majority of "christians" have never even cracked their bible open... which, of course, one has to do in order to actually read it. The ones that have only do so to read the selected passages recommended by their church. These idiots don't base their beliefs on the buybull, they are told what their views are by their church leaders. If it were a requirement of any christian religion to have its members read and understand the entire bible prior to joining the cult... that religion would be a very small group of seriously sick and twisted individuals
The wife is a believer and when I show her some of these quotes she runs and gets her BuyBull. It shocks her to read what I tell her is actually in the there. Your right the sheep (aptly name) just follow and do not question. That's obvious because they still swallow the crap from the pulpit every Sunday. I worked for a devout Christian a few years back, what a crook. We used to say he went to church on Sunday to pray for forgiveness for the screwing he handed out the past six days and for what he was planning for the next six.

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Hello Nightserf. I must compliment you on your accuracy in evaluating the JW group verses most other cults. Too my surprise, I discovered after some research on most different brands of religion, that they were either only recently started (1800's) or were simply started by a man who claimed to have had a vision, and the followers appeared.
the common denominator in most cults is that there is always a little "Jesus" in them to make them credible and easier to swallow for those who had a background in this area.
The main missing link (no pun intended) is the deity of Christ.
I admire the dedication of JW hard work, unity, etc..as I admire the growth Joseph Smith was able to achieve with Mormonism even after over 5000 alterations to the book of Mormon.
However, there are over 1500 of these cults around, which does nothing more than cause mass confusion and good reason for agnostics to throw in the towel on God altogether.
The Bible calls followers of Christ just that. Perhaps disciples or sheep, but there was only one question at hand; was He the Messiah promised or not.
In my opinion as a Christian, denominations have played an integral part in running people away from the church. These man made cults that just rose up in the last couple hundred years have done as much to confuse people. Most people do not do research on what they believe and why, but once in, will swear by them.
Christians are those who beleive that Jesus is God the Son, the third part of the Godhead, or Trinity. Anyone who takes even a brief peek at most religions, may find some sort of "Jesus" in them, but when you minus the statements of Christ claiming to be one with the Father, or God-you instantly take away the chance of it being a Christian group.
Thus, the "New World translation" bible the JW's put out; the book of Mormon, koran, etc....
Just my 2, but as a Christian, I believe we are the best at running people away from the church, due to this issue, and the legalism problem we have, that clearly was done away with then Christ became the New Covenent.
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None to speak of. I've lost interest in arguments that center on Christianity and the Bible. I'm more interested in the side issues that crop up here--atheists tend to have interesting and quirky minds that find their niches in the off-topic. But every once in a while, one of the theists makes a remark that I feel like responding to, usually in the negative.

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gettagrip wrote:
Well, keep entertaining! I will keep losing my grip. You are the one entertaining me, by responding, so who is losing thier decrepit grip? You are just jealous since I have been the owner of this place for so long...I OWN this place. Its my house and you dont like it. Not to mention I am Christian. Its got to sting.
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Folks, I think this is an attempt a sardonic, self-deprecating humor. Why take it so seriously?

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What I see as most pathetic with this piece is that this guy is saying that without the fear of hell, he would be a bad person, and would act badly. I have to ask, what kind of person IS he? Obviously a bad person.
My other question is... Why does he need his god to tell him what is good or bad? My children have never believed in god, and are good kids. Now, if this guy claims he is not living to gods standards, than we have to ask if this gods standards are too high. The answer is yes. Why? one may ask. Simple. In order to control someone, you would set an unattainable goal, than convince them that only you can save them. This isn't the product of a loving god, but rather the device of religion. Look at this silly "true witness", his cult has him crapping in his/her pants with a fear of an imagined hell.
All in all, it's simply a pastor lying for Jesus. He is taking a shot at atheists. I find it hard to believe that he is so stupid that he thinks a theist of any type could be an atheist. A
Like all in his cult, he is pathetic.
Agreed.

Your post reminded me of another metaphor:

Christianity is like this:

All the world is an aquarium, and everyone is just a fish, living under water.

Only the christian god decided that nobody is born with any gills... and only the christian god has gills for sale.

To get the gills, you must give up all sense of self. And, viola.... you get gills.

The atheist as realized that everyone already >has< gills, though...

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Do not think Jehovah's witnesses are just another Christian religion,
I don't.

I think you are one of the more insane branches of christianity.

Actually.

No way you are just a run-of-the-mill brand.

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The wife is a believer and when I show her some of these quotes she runs and gets her BuyBull. It shocks her to read what I tell her is actually in the there. Your right the sheep (aptly name) just follow and do not question. That's obvious because they still swallow the crap from the pulpit every Sunday. I worked for a devout Christian a few years back, what a crook. We used to say he went to church on Sunday to pray for forgiveness for the screwing he handed out the past six days and for what he was planning for the next six.
I've often thought that most Christians don't really have a "personal relationship" with the god they worship.

Many of them have that relationship with the Parson behind the pulpit. They show up weekly at the service and the Preacher describes what it is to be Christian. Tells everyone what it isn't to be a good Christian. The Pastor spins a good yarn with a random moral thought attached and at the end of the service...

Its the warm handshake or the smile from the Reverend as they exit the church that tells them they're OK with the god.

They've listened to the god surrogate, received the proxy blessing.

God loves you. The Priest said so...and he knows.

See you next week.

“come to Richie,, ”

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I've often thought that most Christians don't really have a "personal relationship" with the god they worship.
Many of them have that relationship with the Parson behind the pulpit. They show up weekly at the service and the Preacher describes what it is to be Christian. Tells everyone what it isn't to be a good Christian. The Pastor spins a good yarn with a random moral thought attached and at the end of the service...
Its the warm handshake or the smile from the Reverend as they exit the church that tells them they're OK with the god.
They've listened to the god surrogate, received the proxy blessing.
God loves you. The Priest said so...and he knows.
See you next week.
Truth in your words, you speak of many (not most) Christians,(church) people without a personal relationship with God, truth they are posers .. Pride and Vanity are very religious..

But i must state that there are many Believers in Christ Jesus, who are not foolish enough to Not (search all thing). No Pastor , No Church, No man can save your Soul.. Only God, We all choose this day..... Those believers are just not as mouthy as some. haha peace...

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Roflmao!!!! Paparazzi issues!!! Omfg!
I lol'd too. A Christian Pap afraid of being smoked out! Theists make the funniest liars!

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Truth in your words, you speak of many (not most) Christians,(church) people without a personal relationship with God, truth they are posers .. Pride and Vanity are very religious..
But i must state that there are many Believers in Christ Jesus, who are not foolish enough to Not (search all thing). No Pastor , No Church, No man can save your Soul.. Only God, We all choose this day..... Those believers are just not as mouthy as some. haha peace...
When I said many, I should have said the remaining ones were deluded.

You'll probably take offense at what I just said, and that's not my intent. I base that observation on the years I was a Christian, observing Christians, and the years of observing all theists(not Christians solely) as an atheist. That number is considerable.

Too many furtive glances. Too many hollow chuckles. Too many times when I see that they just perform a rote of expectation based on what they are expected to do.

The actions of uncertainty. Even among the clergy.

From what you posted, you see it too. Maybe you are a deluded one?, who actually believes it. I've seen those too.

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Richies Cool Man Diary wrote:
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Truth in your words, you speak of many (not most) Christians,(church) people without a personal relationship with God, truth they are posers .. Pride and Vanity are very religious..
But i must state that there are many Believers in Christ Jesus, who are not foolish enough to Not (search all thing). No Pastor , No Church, No man can save your Soul.. Only God, We all choose this day..... Those believers are just not as mouthy as some. haha peace...
Ahhh yes, that ever elusive 'silent majority';0)

Come out, come out wherever you are!

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gettagrip wrote:
I want to know how to attain the state of obvious serenity you have reached. Just by your delivery I can tell you have such peace.
I didnt sign in due to paparazzi issues, by the way.
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Yeah we know. We all have that problem.

The paparazzi are always there, just waiting for us to click to post our replies. The pictures they get, don't bring them much money though. Perhaps the pics of you typing, are somehow particularly odd. If so the paparazzi may not be wasting their time lurking behind your bed room closet door.

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scaritual wrote:
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I've often thought that most Christians don't really have a "personal relationship" with the god they worship.
Many of them have that relationship with the Parson behind the pulpit. They show up weekly at the service and the Preacher describes what it is to be Christian. Tells everyone what it isn't to be a good Christian. The Pastor spins a good yarn with a random moral thought attached and at the end of the service...
Its the warm handshake or the smile from the Reverend as they exit the church that tells them they're OK with the god.
They've listened to the god surrogate, received the proxy blessing.
God loves you. The Priest said so...and he knows.
See you next week.
We >>are<< a social species, after all.

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Richies Cool Man Diary wrote:
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Truth in your words, you speak of many (not most) Christians,(church) people without a personal relationship with God, truth they are posers .. Pride and Vanity are very religious..
But i must state that there are many Believers in Christ Jesus, who are not foolish enough to Not (search all thing). No Pastor , No Church, No man can save your Soul.. Only God, We all choose this day..... Those believers are just not as mouthy as some. haha peace...
No True Scotsman....*sigh*

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When I said many, I should have said the remaining ones were deluded.
You'll probably take offense at what I just said, and that's not my intent. I base that observation on the years I was a Christian, observing Christians, and the years of observing all theists(not Christians solely) as an atheist. That number is considerable.
Too many furtive glances. Too many hollow chuckles. Too many times when I see that they just perform a rote of expectation based on what they are expected to do.
The actions of uncertainty. Even among the clergy.
From what you posted, you see it too. Maybe you are a deluded one?, who actually believes it. I've seen those too.
Yes i do see it, there are many decievers about, LOL, at the hollow chuckles, thats why lots of Believers in Christ Jesus dont go to church... peace man, you make good points,, God knows his Children and will not lose one...

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Ahhh yes, that ever elusive 'silent majority';0)
Come out, come out wherever you are!
Dang, your pic is scary, i'll remain elusive haha, ok just kidding about the elusive part.. but really, its more like the silent minority..

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Aerobatty wrote:
Somebody doesn't understand the definition of atheism.
It's living by neglecting God although God 's all around and everywhere.

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Yes i do see it, there are many decievers about, LOL, at the hollow chuckles, thats why lots of Believers in Christ Jesus dont go to church... peace man, you make good points,, God knows his Children and will not lose one...
Again: No True Scotsman fallacy.

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