Future of religion questioned as atheists gather

Apr 13, 2012 | Posted by: Palawa | Full story: www.abc.net.au

Religion will be a non-event in Australia within two generations according to the head of the country's atheist foundation.

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Keep your imagination to yourself. We're not concerned with it.
Doesn't look like your medication worked, better take a triple dose.

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I can understand that all Abrahamic religions are Fundamentally Fanatic in nature. They preach hatred towards other religions, justifies their killing, threatens them that God will not give you Heaven or Salvation if you do not accept their religion.

All these Abrahamic religions are spread through wars, rapes, threats and lies.

But how can you say All religions are bad or fanatic?? Isn't it against the "Natural Law of Justice"?? Without knowing about anything, it's philosophy, it's method of spread of philosophy in world, it's contribution to peaceful world, it's present contribution for human and animal rights, etc. how can you pass any judgement calling it just fanatic??

Take example of Buddhism. Buddha said that "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."
Here, any wise man can know Buddha is not fanatic but broadminded than anyone of us.

Method used for spreading Buddhism: Buddhism from it's starting till today have mostly spread in non-violent way by Buddhist monks. King Ashoka first spread Buddhism by sending monks to Sri Lanka, Thailand, Myanmar, and other countries. And then even in China only Monks where sent to spread Buddhism. Buddhism removed all inhuman activities that were going on at that time in South East Asia like Animal Sacrifices and human Sacrifices to please Gods. But, Buddhism did not destroy the beautiful non-violent culture of any Nation where it spread but it got mixed with it.

Comparing Buddha and His teachings with others will be injustice with that man who lived his whole life with discipline and non-violence and whose teachings and religion were for the benefit of humans and animals. Buddha gave human intelligence, humanity and discipline the utmost importance.
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I realise your programming is extremely limited and controlled but must you display your ignorance so blatantly. That's your problem and one you will never overcome with your lack of evolutionary intelligence.
"An ideology is a set of ideas that constitute one's goals, expectations, and actions."
"ideology
&#8194; &#8194;[ahy-dee-ol-uh-jee, id-ee-]
noun, plural ideologies.
1.
the body of doctrine, myth, belief, etc., that guides an individual, social movement, institution, class, or large group.
2.
such a body of doctrine, myth, etc., with reference to some political and social plan, as that of fascism, along with the devices for putting it into operation.
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Philosophy.
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the study of the nature and origin of ideas.
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a system that derives ideas exclusively from sensation.
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theorizing of a visionary or impractical nature."
Aus indigenous had none of those in reality, if you had any idea of indigenous culture you'd know they are stories. They teach about the land, animals, birds, flora, waterholes, rivers, sea life, the stars, society & behaviour. Along with tribal and nation law, morals, respect and cultural diversity within Aus. They're designed to entertain and take kids on a journey through time,revealing the secrets of nature and indigenous culture. They are design to empower you to understand nature and how to live with it, something your useless cult does the opposite off and why our culture survived more than 65000 years. No other culture has come anywhere near that responsible approach to life.
The rainbow serpent is a representation of a specific time when geological aspects of the continent came into being, kids immediately see the correlation between the stories and the nature that surrounds them. Plus these stories relate to certain indigenous nations and as there were hundreds of them before the god cults genocidal invasion, each one had a different version of how nature was and how they taught it to the young.
Thank you for confirming what I said in 1,2,3,4 as for your explanation of the rainbow serpent and the dreaming, any native australians reading this busting a gut laughing at you, kids stories,are you serious.
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Prove to me that spirituality is real, then you can drive your crazy train anywhere you like sunshine.
LOL! Why do i Have to prove? What is real anyway?

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All ideologies are fantasy, you have to be fanatical to support those fantasies are real. There is no other option, otherwise you accept they are fairy tales and then you have nothing to support.
From the definition which you provided:

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the body of doctrine, myth, belief, etc., that guides an individual, social movement, institution, class, or large group.

an individual may therefore have an ideology which guides them - so if, for example, I have an 'ideology' concerning vegetarianism i.e 'a belief that guides' me, that I should not eat animals, however, in no way do I attempt to impose that belief on others and restrict my belief for application to my life only - does that make me a fanatic?

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Thank you for confirming what I said in 1,2,3,4 as for your explanation of the rainbow serpent and the dreaming, any native australians reading this busting a gut laughing at you, kids stories,are you serious.
Give it a break you useless dickhead, I did nothing of the sort. Just because you're incapable of understanding reality because of your insane primitive psychopathy, doesn't mean anything other than you're a dickhead.

It's extremely clear you've never investigated indigenous culture and know nothing about anything to do with this land, beyond your insanely primitive ideological mentality.

Typical of an infantile mind, you're incapable of any form of logical research, just childish denial without any form of factual knowledge.

You're an enslaved clone, incapable of logic or rational investigation. All you can do is look for anything that supports your stupidity, refusing to learn and change with the unfolding reality that life is.

That's why you cling to primitive mythologist and ignorant infantile fear and superstition. Enjoy it while you can, the track record of your cult shows you have nothing to look forward to, other than disappointment, psychological confusion and anger.

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From the definition which you provided:
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the body of doctrine, myth, belief, etc., that guides an individual, social movement, institution, class, or large group.
an individual may therefore have an ideology which guides them - so if, for example, I have an 'ideology' concerning vegetarianism i.e 'a belief that guides' me, that I should not eat animals, however, in no way do I attempt to impose that belief on others and restrict my belief for application to my life only - does that make me a fanatic?
It shows you're an ethical person, it's not a belief, but an understandable ethical reality. Vastly different to the demands of ideologists, but vegetarianism is also used by ideologists to further their aims.
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Don't forget fascial and banal.
Facile?

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It shows you're an ethical person, it's not a belief, but an understandable ethical reality. Vastly different to the demands of ideologists, but vegetarianism is also used by ideologists to further their aims.
So an ideology is simply not based on fact, but ideologists can use fact/reality - therefore the sun exists ='reality'- sun-worship ='ideological belief'?

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LOL! Why do i Have to prove? What is real anyway?
I know you don't know what reality is.

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Doesn't look like your medication worked, better take a triple dose.
Good one. No really.
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His (stalin) desires to control were atheism amongst others.......How much do I have to spell it out?
I told you before idiot, I am not a believer. Go and piss on someone else's leg.
I am only interested in the bible as a historical and humanist document.
I would guess his desires were more in the line of being god like, than atheism. You know the old, no other god before me, thing.
I don't believe I said you were a believer, I was just providing a few historical facts that I read in the bible, which you claim to only be interested in.

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So an ideology is simply not based on fact, but ideologists can use fact/reality - therefore the sun exists ='reality'- sun-worship ='ideological belief'?
There are no supportable facts in ideology and yes, they do try to use fact for their own benefits and fail in the eyes of realists

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Why would anyone have the need to 'hide behind' the word 'spirituality'? I thought we were all free to believe what we wish to believe.
Ask the ppl that hide behind it. Maybe they know their religion are silly or maybe its just a trendy fad. Who knows.

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CONSIDER.

When society disobeyed God with 'sexual liberation' and gays, deseases like HIV emerged.

The Bible is numerically sound.(-look it up!)

When society thought that the world rested on the back of a turtle, it was the Bible that said it was hung upon nothing.(Correct)

Nothing can come from othing and there simply is no other LOGICAL explaination for the origins of the universe.

Bible prophesies are coming true RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.

Whern it says that the earth was created in 6 days, consider that 'a day' would not have been counted as hours, but from the time the sun dawned to the time it when down, and in some places night can stretch on for weeks. Also, it says that a day to God is like a thousand years.

People are healed every single day, form all sorts of conditions.

Speaking in tongues.

The fact that it is fortold Christians will be persecuted and people will behave exactly the way you people are.

That,'cursed is he that trusts in the wisdom of man and not the power of God.'
And you,'will hear but not understand, see but not believe'. That you 'will cover up your ignorance with lies.'

Here funny though, in the Bible, between the lines, it actually says that in the end days religion will be outlawed and the true believers forced into hiding.

Tell me please, if the Bible isn't the word of God, than how come every single prophecy is coming true.

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Ask the ppl that hide behind it. Maybe they know their religion are silly or maybe its just a trendy fad. Who knows.
ZBJ
We don't hide behind it - What a stupid thing to say! You can't 'hide behind' something you're being persecuted for.
We do it because we have had certain things revealed to us, because of a great love that drives us in all things.
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Congratulations all of you, for figuring us Christians out.

Honestly, how can any of you possibly belive what you're saying, when the deaf are hearing, the blind are seeing and the lame walking. I mean how would you explain that? Your posts are so hate filled and vulgar, but they're so stupid, they're funny.
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Kathrina wrote:
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When society disobeyed God with 'sexual liberation' and gays, deseases like HIV emerged.
The Bible is numerically sound.(-look it up!)
When society thought that the world rested on the back of a turtle, it was the Bible that said it was hung upon nothing.(Correct)
Nothing can come from othing and there simply is no other LOGICAL explaination for the origins of the universe.
Bible prophesies are coming true RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.
Whern it says that the earth was created in 6 days, consider that 'a day' would not have been counted as hours, but from the time the sun dawned to the time it when down, and in some places night can stretch on for weeks. Also, it says that a day to God is like a thousand years.
People are healed every single day, form all sorts of conditions.
Speaking in tongues.
The fact that it is fortold Christians will be persecuted and people will behave exactly the way you people are.
That,'cursed is he that trusts in the wisdom of man and not the power of God.'
And you,'will hear but not understand, see but not believe'. That you 'will cover up your ignorance with lies.'
Here funny though, in the Bible, between the lines, it actually says that in the end days religion will be outlawed and the true believers forced into hiding.
Tell me please, if the Bible isn't the word of God, than how come every single prophecy is coming true.
God bless.
But killing Jesus was just like some human sacrifice of Pagan tradition. Before Buddha came there was killing of humans and animals to please Gods. But because of Buddhism it stopped wherever the teachings of Buddhism spread. But the foundation of Abrahamic religions is based on Pagan religion's sacrificing(killing to please God) human and animal concept. In Christianity sacrificing human called Jesus and in Judaism and Islam killing animals in name of God to please God. This is just like any Pagan religion. In short Abrahamic religions are just Pagan religions which believe in Killing of some human and animal and getting our sins washed or pleasing God. The justification of Killing of infidels or kaffirs in all Abrahamic religions makes these religions harmful for peaceful society.
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I can understand that all Abrahamic religions are Fundamentally Fanatic in nature. They preach hatred towards other religions, justifies their killing, threatens them that God will not give you Heaven or Salvation if you do not accept their religion.
All these Abrahamic religions are spread through wars, rapes, threats and lies.
But how can you say All religions are bad or fanatic?? Isn't it against the "Natural Law of Justice"?? Without knowing about anything, it's philosophy, it's method of spread of philosophy in world, it's contribution to peaceful world, it's present contribution for human and animal rights, etc. how can you pass any judgement calling it just fanatic??
Take example of Buddhism. Buddha said that "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."
Here, any wise man can know Buddha is not fanatic but broadminded than anyone of us.
Method used for spreading Buddhism: Buddhism from it's starting till today have mostly spread in non-violent way by Buddhist monks. King Ashoka first spread Buddhism by sending monks to Sri Lanka, Thailand, Myanmar, and other countries. And then even in China only Monks where sent to spread Buddhism. Buddhism removed all inhuman activities that were going on at that time in South East Asia like Animal Sacrifices and human Sacrifices to please Gods. But, Buddhism did not destroy the beautiful non-violent culture of any Nation where it spread but it got mixed with it.
Comparing Buddha and His teachings with others will be injustice with that man who lived his whole life with discipline and non-violence and whose teachings and religion were for the benefit of humans and animals. Buddha gave human intelligence, humanity and discipline the utmost importance.
Agree.
Always liked Siddharta Gautama. He also said - it does not matter if you believe in gods or not!

No wonder the islamists hate him and his followers so much. The people not of the book (of evil)
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sameer tendulkar wrote:
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But killing Jesus was just like some human sacrifice of Pagan tradition. Before Buddha came there was killing of humans and animals to please Gods. But because of Buddhism it stopped wherever the teachings of Buddhism spread. But the foundation of Abrahamic religions is based on Pagan religion's sacrificing(killing to please God) human and animal concept. In Christianity sacrificing human called Jesus and in Judaism and Islam killing animals in name of God to please God. This is just like any Pagan religion. In short Abrahamic religions are just Pagan religions which believe in Killing of some human and animal and getting our sins washed or pleasing God. The justification of Killing of infidels or kaffirs in all Abrahamic religions makes these religions harmful for peaceful society.
err what about hinduism.

heard of the Bali (sacrifice) of goats still going on at the karmakha temple?

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