Atheists can't have it both ways

Nov 13, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Examiner.com

Captain Ryan Jean of the US Army wants recognition of himself as a humanist lay leader.

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The Bible dies say the world was created in 6 days, The Bible don't say how old it is, the Bible dies say that to God 1 day is like 1000 years, One Bible Scholor I have heard recently says that the earth is as old as science needs it to be.
All abortion is bad, ending a life shouldn't be celebrated. The Bible may not specifically condemn abortion it does condemn the killing of the innocent and unjust killings. If you believe in our Constitution then abortion need to be illegal, because they deny the Due process rights guarenteed by the Constitution from a Human being.
Prove and show evidence you love your mother, you can't
Actually, if you read the bible, it indicates the earth is a little over 6000 years old by geneology. When science makes a claim for the age of the earth, it is based on proof.

You assume that a fetus has the same rights as an American citizen. WRONG. It is not an American citizen until it takes it's first breath.

Your god murdered all the first born in Egypt. They had no say in the leaders decision,(Which was made because your god MADE the pharoh say "no" to Moses). The Egytptians did not live in a democracy, nor a representitive goverment. Your god killed those first born(including babies) without warning. He is a cold blooded terrorist who killed innocent children. How do you worship such a beast?

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Atheist trash is ALWAYS QUESTIONING the SANITY of GOD as it LEADS CIVILIZATION DOWN the SOVIET ATHEIST UTOPIAN TRAIL.
TRASH like YOU is why GOD says things like 'KILL EVERY LAST ONE of those MEAT EATING, ADDICT, HOMOTARD TRASH inCLUDING the BABIES because of the BAD D.N.A.
If there HADN'T BEEN any ATHEIST TRASH on EARTH in the 20TH CENTURY the
M.U.R.D.E.R.
T.O.R.T.U.R.E.
A.R.S.O.N.
R.A.P.E.
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LOWER.
Between STALIN and MAO ~ 120 million deaths.
In other words you have no proof that your god is real.

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Atheist trash is ALWAYS QUESTIONING the SANITY of GOD as it LEADS CIVILIZATION DOWN the SOVIET ATHEIST UTOPIAN TRAIL.
TRASH like YOU is why GOD says things like 'KILL EVERY LAST ONE of those MEAT EATING, ADDICT, HOMOTARD TRASH inCLUDING the BABIES because of the BAD D.N.A.
If there HADN'T BEEN any ATHEIST TRASH on EARTH in the 20TH CENTURY the
M.U.R.D.E.R.
T.O.R.T.U.R.E.
A.R.S.O.N.
R.A.P.E.
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Between STALIN and MAO ~ 120 million deaths.
Oh, by the way. No one sentenced to death by a communist was ever spared because they were an atheist.

Get educated you ignorant godbot.

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All abortion is bad, ending a life shouldn't be celebrated. The Bible may not specifically condemn abortion it does condemn the killing of the innocent and unjust killings.
God kills many innocents (children, babies, the unborn) in the Bible.

You say killing innocents is ALWAYS wrong.
You say god's killings are ALWAYS just.

You contradict yourself.

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Incorrect. Useing criteria laid down by this god, we have the definition of unjust. Your god has murdered by his own definition.
Wrong- we belong to God. We are his Creation. Just as Jesus picked ears of corn on the Sabbath and explained that it was not a sin because it was His day, so are we of God. Try again.

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<quoted text>Wrong- we belong to God. We are his Creation. Just as Jesus picked ears of corn on the Sabbath and explained that it was not a sin because it was His day, so are we of God. Try again.
So you think we are gods' slaves? His toys? No surprise there.
Is gods' law absolute? If you believe that the law of god is the absolute truth, then that law applies to him. If it is a sin to murder, than god is not exempt from his own law. If "Do not murder" is gods law, that would mean it is an absolute truth.

Or are you saying that right is right except for when god wants to sin?

Also, If you believe in free will, than you can not believe that god owns you.

In short, this is another example of how the Bible contradicts itself. Not very impressive if inspired by a god. No, it looks more like the works of mere men. Primative men at that!!
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Actually, if you read the bible, it indicates the earth is a little over 6000 years old by geneology. When science makes a claim for the age of the earth, it is based on proof.
You assume that a fetus has the same rights as an American citizen. WRONG. It is not an American citizen until it takes it's first breath.
Your god murdered all the first born in Egypt. They had no say in the leaders decision,(Which was made because your god MADE the pharoh say "no" to Moses). The Egytptians did not live in a democracy, nor a representitive goverment. Your god killed those first born(including babies) without warning. He is a cold blooded terrorist who killed innocent children. How do you worship such a beast?
a little reasoning and common sense goes a long way. For example the first born of the Egyptians died because Pharoh declared that the first born of Israel was going to be put to death so he brought the 10th plague on himself. Science has no explanation for many things such as:was do trees live longer than humans,why is the sun 93,000,000 miles from the earth and not 93,000,001, just right for life on earth.

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a little reasoning and common sense goes a long way. For example the first born of the Egyptians died because Pharoh declared that the first born of Israel was going to be put to death so he brought the 10th plague on himself.
How does this justify the deaths of the Egyptian children, who had no control over the actions of the Pharaoh?
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Science has no explanation for many things such as:was do trees live longer than humans,
Trees are simpler organisms than humans. They have less to go wrong. If a human has a major heart problem, they're dead. If they have a major brain problem, they're dead. If they have a major lung problem, they're dead. If they suffer a major trauma, they're dead.
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why is the sun 93,000,000 miles from the earth and not 93,000,001, just right for life on earth.
It's not. That's just the average distance. The Earth at some points in 91 million miles from the sun. At other points, it's almost 95 million miles from the sun.

Science has taught us countless things about the universe. What truth has religion ever provided? None.

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<quoted text>Wrong- we belong to God. We are his Creation. Just as Jesus picked ears of corn on the Sabbath and explained that it was not a sin because it was His day, so are we of God. Try again.
It's your mental illness, not ours. Try again.

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<quoted text>Wrong- we belong to God. We are his Creation. Just as Jesus picked ears of corn on the Sabbath and explained that it was not a sin because it was His day, so are we of God. Try again.
Lying soldier, claiming your're not trying to convert anyone. When here you are spreading your unproven bullsh*t lies once again.

Caught in the act.

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The Bible dies say the world was created in 6 days, The Bible don't say how old it is, the Bible dies say that to God 1 day is like 1000 years, One Bible Scholor I have heard recently says that the earth is as old as science needs it to be.
All abortion is bad, ending a life shouldn't be celebrated. The Bible may not specifically condemn abortion it does condemn the killing of the innocent and unjust killings. If you believe in our Constitution then abortion need to be illegal, because they deny the Due process rights guarenteed by the Constitution from a Human being.
Prove and show evidence you love your mother, you can't
The bible does say how old it is in a convoluted way. I.E through genealogies and events etc. Top bible scholars have given a date based on the babble writings of people that are claimed to have lived. That is not 1000 to 1 days but human days as described in the babble. Here are some “christiian” websites that disagree with you

http://www.missiontoamerica.com/genesis/six-t...
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive....
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.asp...

Well of course your friendly babble scholar says the earth is as old as science needs it to be, he has no valid counter argument and is probably fed up of looking foolish, perhaps you need to take a leaf from his book

Re abortion That is you opinion. The law, the babble and the majority of the population do not agree with you.

No I do not believe in your constitution, I am not American, a document that list the inalienable right of man and then has to be amended does not hold any sway for me.

Oh yes I can, once again a fundy falls through lack of scientific and medical knowledge. Emotions can be measured in several ways, CT scan, MRI scan, blood test etc.

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a little reasoning and common sense goes a long way. For example the first born of the Egyptians died because Pharoh declared that the first born of Israel was going to be put to death so he brought the 10th plague on himself. Science has no explanation for many things such as:was do trees live longer than humans,why is the sun 93,000,000 miles from the earth and not 93,000,001, just right for life on earth.
A little reading and comprehension goes a long way too.
If you read the silly, unverified story in Exodus, your god manipulated the Pharoh so he could not let the people go(so much for the idea of free will). Basically, he wanted to show off, and torturing and killing people who could not help the Israelis, nor influence the decision of the Pharoh (non-combatants), was not a problem for this terrorist god you love so much. I would like to know what chapter and verse it says that the pharoh made that threat, and where it says that that was the reason for god killing the first born of Egypt.

After you get done reading that little piece of fiction, maybe you should pick up a science book and try to comprehend that. The earth is in an elliptical orbit around the sun. The distance from the sun is roughly 91.3 million miles to 94.4 million miles. Yes, it varies MILLIONS of miles. Given the number of galaxies in the universe, it is not amazing that this has occured. Also, by actually reading a science book, rather than relying on a creationist website for your info, you might learn that in science, we do not compare the life cycles of plants and animals. You basically are saying the science can't answer a question that science has never asked!!

I would laugh at your theistic ignorance, but it is too pathetic, I am just embarrassed for you. Next time you want talk about science and common sense, maybe you should talk to another theist.
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Science has no explanation for many things such as:was do trees live longer than humans,.
Huh? Why do you think we don't understand why most trees live longer than humans? Are you a POE?
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why is the sun 93,000,000 miles from the earth and not 93,000,001, just right for life on earth.
Actually the distance from the Earth to the sun varies from 91 million miles to 94.5 million miles. Not exactly 'perfect', eh?

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So you think we are gods' slaves? His toys? No surprise there.
Is gods' law absolute? If you believe that the law of god is the absolute truth, then that law applies to him. If it is a sin to murder, than god is not exempt from his own law. If "Do not murder" is gods law, that would mean it is an absolute truth.
Or are you saying that right is right except for when god wants to sin?
Also, If you believe in free will, than you can not believe that god owns you.
In short, this is another example of how the Bible contradicts itself. Not very impressive if inspired by a god. No, it looks more like the works of mere men. Primative men at that!!
Tsk tsk tsk- you want us to judge God- not going to happen. His actions may be confusing, contradictory and so on, but judge Him? No- not gonna happen. In much the same way your children are not qualified to tell you what to do with the hard-earned change in your pocket, so are we as to God. Also, I believe in free will, but that has nothing to do with what God owns. We aren't a dog running around in our owner's backyard...well...perhaps YOU are. Now then, "speak...".

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Lying soldier, claiming your're not trying to convert anyone. When here you are spreading your unproven bullsh*t lies once again.
Caught in the act.
I suppose you leaped to that erronious conclusion simply because I'm not being as rude as you. Try again.

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<quoted text>Tsk tsk tsk- you want us to judge God- not going to happen. His actions may be confusing, contradictory and so on, but judge Him? No- not gonna happen. In much the same way your children are not qualified to tell you what to do with the hard-earned change in your pocket, so are we as to God. Also, I believe in free will, but that has nothing to do with what God owns. We aren't a dog running around in our owner's backyard...well...perhaps YOU are. Now then, "speak...".
If I tell my children what is right and what is wrong, I will live by the same rules. Your god doesn't. I do not own my children. they are not my toys nor my possesions. There is a point where they may do what they want, and I have no say. If they choose to turn their back on me, so be it. I will still love them, and would certainly not kill them or send them to an eternity of torture. That's what tyrants, and monsters do. Which is closer to your god myth?
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Yes, I will judge him, less harshly than he judges you. He is brutal, careless, vile, and way to imperfect to be a god, so that makes him a myth. A mere imperfect, primitive creation of men.

You are owned by a fictional story. You are owned by the writtings of men, which is exactly what those men had in mind when they wrote your holy book. Tsk, tsk....Want to buy a bridge? You have the perfect slave mindset to fall for most scams.

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If I tell my children what is right and what is wrong, I will live by the same rules. Your god doesn't. I do not own my children. they are not my toys nor my possesions. There is a point where they may do what they want, and I have no say. If they choose to turn their back on me, so be it. I will still love them, and would certainly not kill them or send them to an eternity of torture. That's what tyrants, and monsters do. Which is closer to your god myth?
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Yes, I will judge him, less harshly than he judges you. He is brutal, careless, vile, and way to imperfect to be a god, so that makes him a myth. A mere imperfect, primitive creation of men.
You are owned by a fictional story. You are owned by the writtings of men, which is exactly what those men had in mind when they wrote your holy book. Tsk, tsk....Want to buy a bridge? You have the perfect slave mindset to fall for most scams.
I'm not a slave- as I reminded you, we have free will. So sad that you have the mindset you do, but you're not my responsibility. One thing though, your children ARE your possessions, until they hit the age of adulthood. I'm also thinking that some of us may qualify for pergatory, if the Catholics are to be believed. Bottom line, you can ask/demand that I judge my God, but wish in one hand etc...I have a fellow Soldier who was transformed from a heavy-handed brute who was feared by suspected Al Queda to a gentle giant that is respected now by friend and foe alike. It's been an amazing and fascinating transformation to witness. There are other stories as well, but I won't waste them on you.

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I'm not a slave- as I reminded you, we have free will.
Sorry, but freewill is erased by God's omnipotence.
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So sad that you have the mindset you do, but you're not my responsibility.
I'm sure Serpent could give two shits that you're not responsible.
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One thing though, your children ARE your possessions, until they hit the age of adulthood.
You seriously don't know the difference between responsibilty and ownership? But, that would explain the above.
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I'm also thinking that some of us may qualify for pergatory, if the Catholics are to be believed.
That's your's and the Katlicks fairy tale. Atheists are not bound by religious dogma.
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Bottom line, you can ask/demand that I judge my God, but wish in one hand etc
That's the problem. You like most other believers are blind followers. That will be your undoing.
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There are other stories as well, but I won't waste them on you.
Good. I'm sure they are just like your Bible stories...made up bullshit.


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justagi wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not a slave- as I reminded you, we have free will. So sad that you have the mindset you do, but you're not my responsibility. One thing though, your children ARE your possessions, until they hit the age of adulthood. I'm also thinking that some of us may qualify for pergatory, if the Catholics are to be believed. Bottom line, you can ask/demand that I judge my God, but wish in one hand etc...I have a fellow Soldier who was transformed from a heavy-handed brute who was feared by suspected Al Queda to a gentle giant that is respected now by friend and foe alike. It's been an amazing and fascinating transformation to witness. There are other stories as well, but I won't waste them on you.
So you claim in one post that we belong to god, but then claim that you are not his slave? LOL!! That's called theist double talk.

I do not 'demand' that you judge god, but I certainly feel sorry for you that you don't have the backbone to judge him. I suspect that you can't bring yourself to judge him as he has proven himself to be reprehensible beyond redemption, and to judge such a beast would make most people too disgusted to worship such filth. Let's just be thankful that it doesn't really exist.

Shall I explain why you do not have free will according to your religion?

Your silly story about the magical transformation of your buddy is of no concern to me. Don't waste your time. I simply don't care if you brain washed another human or not. If you did, you should be ashamed of yourself.

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So you claim in one post that we belong to god, but then claim that you are not his slave? LOL!! That's called theist double talk.
I do not 'demand' that you judge god, but I certainly feel sorry for you that you don't have the backbone to judge him. I suspect that you can't bring yourself to judge him as he has proven himself to be reprehensible beyond redemption, and to judge such a beast would make most people too disgusted to worship such filth. Let's just be thankful that it doesn't really exist.
Shall I explain why you do not have free will according to your religion?
Your silly story about the magical transformation of your buddy is of no concern to me. Don't waste your time. I simply don't care if you brain washed another human or not. If you did, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Lessee, you are against people following God, but you prefer to remind us that we must- and how, interesting. You're not the source to tell me how to live nor how to interpret the Rules I choose to live by, sport. Again, it's not anything except faith that tells me not to judge my God, that you cannot accept this doesn't bother me an iota. I had nothing to do with my friend's transformation, nor did I claim to- that you infered that from my post speaks volumes of your paranoia. He's actually on another continent, but I was careful to not imply I had anything to do with it. How paranoid of you.

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