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StarC wrote:

=====Question by an former protestant========
Q
Since coming back to the Catholic Church after attending Calvary Chapel for nearly ten years, I've learned how to refute all the arguments used to attack Mary's perpetual virginity. But recently I was stumped by my former pastor by an argument I've never heard before. He said Mary definitely had other children besides Jesus because the New Testament uses the Greek word for brother in Matthew 13:55-56. He said the Greek words for cousin or nephew could have been used instead if that was in fact the relationship. He insisted this Greek word is never used in the New Testament to mean anything else except sibling.
A
The pastor is half right and half wrong. He's right about the fact that the Greek word for brother (adelphos; plural adelphoi) does mean sibling and about the fact that Greek has precise words for cousin, nephew, and other close relations. He's also correct in pointing out that adelphos is the word used whenever there's a mention of Jesus' "brothers" (Mt 12:46; 13:55-56; Mk 6:3; Jn 7:5; Acts 1:14; 1 Cor 9:5).
He's wrong, though, to infer from that bit of grammatical truth that Mary had children other than Jesus, mainly because he's wrong in claiming that adelphos can only mean sibling in the New Testament. In Matthew 13:55-56 four men are named as brothers (adelphoi) of the Lord: James, Joseph, Simon, and Jude. Your former pastor concludes wrongly that these are at least some of Mary's other children. The New Testament proves otherwise.
In John 19:25 we read, "Standing by the foot of the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary of Magdala." Cross reference this with
Matthew 27:56: "Among them [at the cross] were
Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and
Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee." We
see that at least two of the men mentioned in
Matthew 13 were definitely not siblings of Jesus
(although they're called adelphoi); they were
Jesus' cousins--sons of their mother's sister.

Your belief is based soley on the family you were born into in most cases..........if you STAR C just happened to be born into a loving protestant family you would posting on here the EXACT opposite of what you post now.

Dozens of scriptures refer to Jesus BROTHERS. Not one instance does it refer to them as cousins. For 1700 years the bible has been re-written, and updated several times and today 2012 all these writings still say......BROTHERS, not COUSINS.

Who in their right mind tells dozens of stories about their COUSINS?(LOL)

If you honestly believe they are cousins then you have to admit to everyone here that the bible is WRONG!.........you can't just have it your way, say cousins and be done with it. You now have to admit publically that errors do exist in the bible....right? RIGHT!

So because you still believe they are cousins, please tell us honestly that the bible is not all what it claims to be......right?

How many other WRONGS are there in the bible? If you don't believe what is written about BROTHERS/COUSINS then I am sure there are many more falicies in the holy book.......right?

So what is so wrong with Mary having other children?

Claypool wrote:

<quoted text>You tell me, because I don't subscribe to what the doomsday cults say. They got no business using the Catholic Bible like that. Its flat out wicked.

Well who does teh Catholic Church think is the Two Women in revelation's. One being adorned with the Sun and Moon etc. and the Other Woman adorned with Scarlet and Purple, Gold etc.?
What Woman/Church rides upon a beast/government (Rome)?

Claypool wrote:

<quoted text>I enjoy your thorough explanation of Catholic Doctrine. Sadly, after you leave for a few days...the ignorance keeps marching forward. You properly and truthfully explained dogma in a truthful way. Does it matter? Not to them. But to us it is important!
God bless

Thanks Claypool, even if it does not matter to them, we must always defend the TRUTH.
What gets me is they try to tell us what we believe. LOL. They claim to have been Catholic, but for sure they didn’t know a thing about the faith.
That’s why I’m here, they attack and we defend ‘The Truth Church’ that Jesus founded!! Thank you Jesus Christ!

These protestants can thank their founders for all the confusion, Luther, John Smyth, Little Ellen, Joseph Smith, John and Charles Wesley, John Knox, etc., etc., etc. too many to name, lol.

Thanks for all you do here.
In Christ,
Star
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Claypool wrote:

<quoted text>You tell me, because I don't subscribe to what the doomsday cults say. They got no business using the Catholic Bible like that. Its flat out wicked.

I see it is a Cathilic Bible but wrote by Hebrews and Jews. It is Gods Inspired Holy Word written by the prophets and the Apostles and scribes during that period. Only later to be copied in order to preserve them for all man kind.

StarC wrote:

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You don't see lines of Catholic going to confession because you are never in a church.
You can't see them if you are not there. LOL

.......I don't see lines of catholics going into church either. 2009 the ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOPS conference in the USA stated in their 178 page report that only 1 out of every 4 catholics across america TODAY, attend sunday mass weekly. That means 3 out of every 4 baptized catholics commit a mortal sin every week without even trying. Its obvious MOST catholics aren't that concerned.

My local coffee shop is lined up outside the door sunday morning during church service..........go figure!

If you don't believe what the bishops state in their report then there is nothing else to say......the proof is in the pudding......right?

Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Mark 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You therefore do greatly err.

Rom. 8:35-39 - therefore, death does not separate the family of God and the love of Christ. We are still united with each other, even beyond death.

Matt. 17:3; Mark 9:4; Luke 9:30 - Jesus converses with "deceased" Moses and Elijah. They are more alive than the saints on earth.

Matt. 22:32; Mark 12:27; Luke 20:38 - God is the God of the living not the dead. The living on earth and in heaven are one family.

Luke 15:7,10 – if the angels and saints experience joy in heaven over our repentance, then they are still connected to us and are aware of our behavior.

John 15:1-6 - Jesus is the vine and we are the branches. The good branches are not cut off at death. They are alive in heaven.

1 Cor. 4:9 – because we can become a spectacle not only to men, but to angels as well, this indicates that angels are aware of our earthly activity. Those in heaven are connected to those on earth.

1 Cor. 12:26 - when one member suffers, all suffer. When one is honored, all rejoice. We are in this together as one family.

1 Cor 13:12; 1 John 3:2 - now we see in a mirror dimly, but in heaven we see face to face. The saints are more alive than we are!

Heb. 12:1: we are surrounded by a great glory cloud (shekinah) of witnesses. The “cloud of witnesses” refers to the saints who are not only watching us from above but cheering us on in our race to heaven.

1 Peter 2:9; Rev. 20:6 - we are a royal family of priests by virtue of baptism. We as priests intercede on behalf of each other.

2 Peter 1:4 - since God is the eternal family and we are His children, we are partakers of His divine nature as a united family.

1 Cor. 1:2; Rom. 1:7 - we are called to be saints. Saints refer to both those on earth and in heaven who are in Christ.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/saints.html

StarC wrote:

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ARE U CRAZY???
Nice that you are trying to read the bible, but Psalm does not say what you posted. Is this your made up bible? Are you stating a new church making it 40k plus 1? Adding your own words. LOL
Psalms
6 God, you know my folly;
my faults are not hidden from you.
7Let those who wait in hope for you, LORD of hosts,
not be shamed because of me.
Let those who seek you, God of Israel,
not be disgraced because of me.
8 For it is on your account I bear insult,
that disgrace covers my face.
9 I have become an outcast to my kindred,
a stranger to my mother’s children.

http://www.koshergospel.com/mary.html

FREE LIGHT OF CATHOLICISM wrote:

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Stop allowing the forces of darkness to provoke you into denying the Pope's own words.

Free Light, Free Mind, Blessed Mind, whatever your name is......

Stop allowing the ignorance of OX, to try to convince people here to believe those lies!!!

Read the TRUTH below…..

I told Ox…

“Do not bear false witness against your neighbor.
“Thus unofficial translation is a composite of EWTN's own translation and the unofficial translation of the Holy See of the Latin/Italian Mass Booklet

THIS IS the TRUE closing prayer…. NOT

given by Pope B=16
[he said Cardinal Ratzigner said it, that is false]

Prayer, in Latin by Cardinal Angelo Sodano, Secretary of State
Merciful Father, we commend to your mercy our pope, John Paul II, whom you made successor of Peter and pastor of the Church, intrepid evangelist of the Gospel, and faithful dispenser of the divine mysteries. Bring him, we pray, into the sanctuary of heaven, to enjoy eternal glory with all the saints. We give you thanks, Lord, for all the gifts which in your goodness you have given your people. To the Church, bereft of its Shepherd, give the comfort of faith and the strength of hope. To you, Father, source of life, in the vivifying Spirit, through Christ, conqueror of death, be all honor and glory forever and ever. Amen..
http://www.canticanova.com/articles/misc/art7...

THIS IS WHAT POPE B-16 SAID IN MASS, HIS ONLY MENTION OF
OUR BLESSED MOTHER ......

“Divine Mercy: the Holy Father found the purest reflection of God’s mercy in the Mother of God. He, who at an early age had lost his own mother, loved his divine mother all the more. He heard the words of the crucified Lord as addressed personally to him:

"Behold your Mother." And so he did as the beloved

disciple did: he took her into his own home"
(eis ta idia: Jn 19:27)– Totus tuus. And from the

mother he learned to conform himself to Christ.

None of us can ever forget how in that last Easter Sunday of his life, the Holy Father, marked by suffering, came once more to the window of the Apostolic Palace and one last time gave his blessing urbi et orbi. We can be sure that our beloved Pope is standing today at the window of the Father’s house, that he sees us and blesses us. Yes, bless us, Holy Father. We entrust your dear soul to the Mother of God, your Mother, who guided you each day and who will guide you now to the eternal glory of her Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.”

For the complete mass go here…..
http://www.vatican.va/gpII/documents/homily-c...

CASE CLOSED!!!!!!!!!!

Michael wrote:

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.......I don't see lines of catholics going into church either. 2009 the ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOPS conference in the USA stated in their 178 page report that only 1 out of every 4 catholics across america TODAY, attend sunday mass weekly. That means 3 out of every 4 baptized catholics commit a mortal sin every week without even trying. Its obvious MOST catholics aren't that concerned.
My local coffee shop is lined up outside the door sunday morning during church service..........go figure!
If you don't believe what the bishops state in their report then there is nothing else to say......the proof is in the pudding......right?

Lie!

Don't you know that people go for breakfast AFTER Mass???

Don't worry about it, we are okay. Thanks to God!

StarC wrote:

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You don't see lines of Catholic going to confession because you are never in a church.
You can't see them if you are not there. LOL

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/virgin.htm

Who in their right mind writes dozens of stories about ones COUSINS? NOBODY!! I am here with my cousins........my cousins are leaving now......my mother is with my cousins.........no they aren't my brothers they are my cousins.......(lol)

StarC wrote:

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Lie!
Don't you know that people go for breakfast AFTER Mass???
Don't worry about it, we are okay. Thanks to God!

.......Are you saying the bishops lied when they reported that about 1 in 4 catholics ONLY attend weekly sunday mass?.......are you saying that?

You might belong to a parish that is holding its own, but the pulse across america is a different story.

Read these sobering statistics below about your church........check from previous years on the chart, how things are quickly going down down......

http://cara.georgetown.edu/CARAServices/reque...

.......I rest my case!

Oxbow wrote:

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The Catholics teach Salvation by works..... God's word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not through works.

Hey so called ex-Catholic,[what a joke, you and michael make a good pair.]
All those years and still doesn't know what Catholic Christians teach. Shame on you.

Justification by faith alone is a NEW doctrine; it was unheard of in the Christian community before the sixteenth century.

Q
Why do Catholics believe that good works are necessary for salvation! Does not Paul say in Romans 3:28 that faith alone justifies?

A
Catholics believe that faith AND good works are both necessary for salvation, because such is the teaching of Jesus Christ. What Our Lord demands is "faith that worketh by charity ." (Gal. 5 :6). Read Matthew 25:31-46, which describes the Last Judgment as being based on works of charity. The first and greatest commandment, as given by Our Lord Himself, is to love the Lord God with all one's heart, mind, soul, and strength; and the second great commandment is to love one's neighbor as oneself.(Mark 12:30-31). When the rich young man asked Our Lord what he must do to gain eternal life, Our Lord answered: "Keep the commandments." (Matt. 19:17). Thus, although faith is the beginning, it is not the complete fulfillment of the will of God. Nowhere in the Bible is it written that faith alone justifies. When St. Paul wrote, "For we account a man to be justified by faith, without the works of the law," he was referring to works peculiar to the old Jewish Law, and he cited circumcision as an example.

The Catholic Church does NOT teach that purely human good works are meritorious for salvation; such works are NOT meritorious for salvation, according to her teaching. Only those good works performed when a person is in the state of grace – that is, as a branch drawing its spiritual life from the Vine which is Christ (John 15:4-6)–

only these good deeds work toward our salvation, and they do so only by the grace of God and the merit of Jesus Christ. These good works, offered to God by a soul in the state of grace (i.e., free of mortal sin, with the Blessed Trinity dwelling in the soul), are thereby supernaturally meritorious because they share in the work and in the merits of Christ. Such supernatural good works will not only be rewarded by God, but are necessary for salvation.

St. Paul shows how the neglect of certain good works will send even a Christian believer to damnation: "But if any man have not care of his own, and especially of those of his house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." (1 Tim. 5:8). Our Lord tells us that if the Master (God) returns and finds His servant sinning, rather than performing works of obedience, He "shall separate him, and shall appoint him his portion with unbelievers." (Luke 12:46).

StarC wrote:

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You don't see lines of Catholic going to confession because you are never in a church.
You can't see them if you are not there. LOL

the number of catholics have increased since 1965, but the number who actually practice their faith has not.

Check out in the report the dwindling number of priests and nuns, schools, seminarians, etc........the only group increasing are deacons.

http://cara.georgetown.edu/CARAServices/reque...

what will the next 47 years bring? even lower numbers?.......don't blame me, I just bring the news.

Michael wrote:

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http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/virgin.htm
Who in their right mind writes dozens of stories about ones COUSINS? NOBODY!! I am here with my cousins........my cousins are leaving now......my mother is with my cousins.........no they aren't my brothers they are my cousins.......(lol)

That's because you don't know Latin.

StarC wrote:

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Lie!
Don't you know that people go for breakfast AFTER Mass???
Don't worry about it, we are okay. Thanks to God!

......its a coffee shop not a restaurant (lol)

again, the bishops have spoken. I hope your not going to say they are wrong?

I don't make the news, I bring the news you should know.......don't blame the messenger.

Gotta run, dear husband is here with Lasagna and Chicken Parmesan.

Have a great night!

StarC wrote:

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That's because you don't know Latin.

ROFL

The NT is Greek and Greek translations of Hebrew and Aramaic. The OT is entirely Hebrew.

Are you trained in 1st Cent. Hebrew or Aramaic or Greek ?

Here is a bit of English that is only 1000 years old. Can you read it?

We Gardena in geardagum,
peodcyninga, prym gefrunon,
hu da aepelingas ellen fremedon.
Oft Scyld Scefing sceapena preatum,

ReginaM wrote:

Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Mark 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You therefore do greatly err.
Rom. 8:35-39 - therefore, death does not separate the family of God and the love of Christ. We are still united with each other, even beyond death.
Matt. 17:3; Mark 9:4; Luke 9:30 - Jesus converses with "deceased" Moses and Elijah. They are more alive than the saints on earth.
Matt. 22:32; Mark 12:27; Luke 20:38 - God is the God of the living not the dead. The living on earth and in heaven are one family.
Luke 15:7,10 – if the angels and saints experience joy in heaven over our repentance, then they are still connected to us and are aware of our behavior.
John 15:1-6 - Jesus is the vine and we are the branches. The good branches are not cut off at death. They are alive in heaven.
1 Cor. 4:9 – because we can become a spectacle not only to men, but to angels as well, this indicates that angels are aware of our earthly activity. Those in heaven are connected to those on earth.
1 Cor. 12:26 - when one member suffers, all suffer. When one is honored, all rejoice. We are in this together as one family.
1 Cor 13:12; 1 John 3:2 - now we see in a mirror dimly, but in heaven we see face to face. The saints are more alive than we are!
Heb. 12:1: we are surrounded by a great glory cloud (shekinah) of witnesses. The “cloud of witnesses” refers to the saints who are not only watching us from above but cheering us on in our race to heaven.
1 Peter 2:9; Rev. 20:6 - we are a royal family of priests by virtue of baptism. We as priests intercede on behalf of each other.
2 Peter 1:4 - since God is the eternal family and we are His children, we are partakers of His divine nature as a united family.
1 Cor. 1:2; Rom. 1:7 - we are called to be saints. Saints refer to both those on earth and in heaven who are in Christ.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/saints.html

Your adding words to those scriptures and you know it. I advice everyone to google the Chapter and verse up for theirselves.

7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:

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Your adding words to those scriptures and you know it. I advice everyone to google the Chapter and verse up for theirselves.

LOL, I didn't add a word. Unlike the non-Catholics here, I cite my sources. We believe in the God of the Living, not the dead! The saints in heaven are more alive than we are. Soul sleep is unbiblical. Now *that's* adding words to scripture!

ReginaM wrote:

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LOL, I didn't add a word. Unlike the non-Catholics here, I cite my sources. We believe in the God of the Living, not the dead! The saints in heaven are more alive than we are. Soul sleep is unbiblical. Now *that's* adding words to scripture!

Nope. They are dead. They maybe "something" but it isn't wwhat the word "living" describes. "Soul" is unbiblical. A poor translation of the Hebrew "ruach".