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This is a statement from the Intelligent Design Institute in their questions area.
Questions about Intelligent Design
1. What is the theory of intelligent design?
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The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection. For more information see Center Director Stephen Meyer's article "Not By Chance" from the National Post of Canada or his appearance on PBS's "Tavis Smiley Show (Windows Media).
They just won`t say any more, who they think that "designer" happens to be. They have changed their website since the Dover trial to pretend they are now "agnostic".
You are a fucking liar.

If they say who they think the designer is, you would attack. If they don't say who they think it is, you attack.

It doesn't matter who or what they think it is.

The possible identity of a designer is an "implication" of the theory, not the theory.

The Big Bang Theory has an implication of a cause of the universe. They don't say what it is, and they cannot say what it is if they limit themselves to the science.

Yet the Big Bang Theory is valid.

Likewise, ID cannot say and does not say anything about the designer because they only follow the science as far as it goes.

It is irrelevant if researchers personally have a belief about the designer, just as it is irrelevant if Big Bang researchers have a personal belief about the cause of the universe.

Your understanding is at the infant stage.
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Jun 27, 2012
 
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And religion remains in error and remains uncorrected.
exactly how do you think religion can be corrected? from the outside only, by critics? what do you think of gradual reforms that get rid of the very worst parts of it, done from the inside? I know it is slow going, in both cases - since the true believers are so resistant to seeing the faults in their beliefs.

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Very interesting your reference to Leviticus 14.
When I read it today, my first impression this is a lot of work for the Priest. But in reality most Lepers were not healed so this ritual was probably not even carried out by most Priest. Healing of Leprosy requires medications.
Or a genuine miracle which also didn’t happen that often. In the time Jesus was walking on the earth performing all these miracles. The Priest were very jealous of his acts and was looking for him to make a mistake. Jesus number one critics was not the Atheist of the day but the religious sects.
So we find in Luke 17: 11-19 Jesus was on the highway system and encounters these 10 lepers. He heals them and sends them to the Priest. I never gave it much thought why he did so. But after reading Leviticus 14, I now see it was a hilarious thing he did.
The Priest already hated Jesus. Then Jesus performed a miracle that would require them to do some real work, lol. A lot of work that they have never done before, lol. These Priest were probably lazy to start with and now the eyes of the community were on them to see if they were going to follow the law.
So you see Leviticus 14 was written for a specific place and time in history. This specific place was on the road between Samaria and Galilee. To appreciate the humor in the story you would have to know how ritualistic and self righteous these Priest were. I thank you for bringing this to light.
Luke 17:11-19
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Jesus Cleanses Ten Lepers
11 On the way to Jerusalem he was passing along between Samaria and Galilee. 12 And as he entered a village, he was met by ten lepers,[a] who stood at a distance 13 and lifted up their voices, saying,“Jesus, Master, have mercy on us.” 14 When he saw them he said to them,“Go and show yourselves to the priests.” And as they went they were cleansed.
So it is clear to you that Leviticus 14 is obviously wrong. So to maintain your delusion, you claim it is a 3000 year old joke.

That's pretty pathetic.

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Yes, Leviticus 14 is an entire chapter straight from the mouth of God explaining how to cure leprosy. Don't you even read your own bull crap? Let me guess, you rely on a preacher to read it to you.
I never claimed there is no God. I do claim the Bible God is a false god and I can prove it.
No you can't.

You might prove the biblical description to be invalid.

You can't prove anything about the god.

But your assertion proves you don't know what you're talking about.

...I'll give you that proof.

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havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> Is yours Cheney or Limbaugh? or more likely, Koch?
You are equating those with Pelosi??

A blinking, sideways-walking, yammering magpie?

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Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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And religion remains in error and remains uncorrected.
I have no religion.

But, hey, thanks for the info.

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havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> exactly how do you think religion can be corrected? from the outside only, by critics? what do you think of gradual reforms that get rid of the very worst parts of it, done from the inside? I know it is slow going, in both cases - since the true believers are so resistant to seeing the faults in their beliefs.
I never said religion could be corrected. Personally, I think religion itself is an error.

Almost all religions claim their God is eternal and unchanging, that implies that anything that comes from God is also eternal and unchanging. And that is at the root of the error, especially since all scriptures are actually the works of man, not any deity.

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Jun 27, 2012
 
Eagle12 wrote:
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Amen, Jesus Christ is God!!!
Why do the gospels differ on their stories of jesus? If they were eyewitness reports, shouldn't they all say the same thing?

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No you can't.
You might prove the biblical description to be invalid.
You can't prove anything about the god.
But your assertion proves you don't know what you're talking about.
...I'll give you that proof.
If your idea of the Christian God does not come from biblical description, then it has to come from something modern man has made up. Ether way, the Bible God is false.

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Jun 27, 2012
 
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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You are so inconsistent it's a wonder you can compose a sentence at all. First you claim it's people not science that fixed the mistake, then you claim Science screwed it all up.
In any case, you definitely belong in the "People who thought they knew what they were doing screwed it up, and remained convinced they were right for a long time." category.
Learn to read.

"People in science perpetuated the mistake"

"Science would not have screwed it up"

Where do you see "science screwed it up"??

Look hard.

Read it out loud if you must.

Found it yet?
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Jun 27, 2012
 
Art of Variance wrote:
<quoted text>All your lies stem from the occult and the need for self validation.
At the beginning of the hour, you based your faith on a non scientific and implausible yet impossible ideal. The ideal that nothing created something and that gaseous formations became solid living tissue. All of this defies the laws of physics and thermodynamics. You then formulate an idea of interbreeding species and mammals, precisely which is not found among humans, humanoids, erectus, neanderthal, T-rex, apes, dogs, rats, turtles, insects, gerbils, or any species needed to formulate your non scientific myth called evolution speciation.
that was to Skeptic, I think. Did either side in this debate ever consider the possibility that you don't know, and that it is just a contest of which of you can persevere longest in being nasty to the other? My bet is that the believer side is likely to be the nastiest the longest, but Skeptic will not be without armament and perserverance. I hope you both enjoy yourselves. Others of us doubt that your dogmatic assertions - either way - are indications of your superior knowledge or understanding. Your own ego is just as involved as his is. And untruths are not always deliberate lies, nor is stupidity always deliberate stupidity.

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Jun 27, 2012
 
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According to Buck ID argues nothing of the sort. His word against many, many pro-ID websites/think tanks... hmm...
Not so.

Tired of explaining words to you.

Talk about something you might half-assed understand.
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Jun 27, 2012
 
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Why do the gospels differ on their stories of jesus? If they were eyewitness reports, shouldn't they all say the same thing?
They were not eyewitness reports, far from it.
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Jun 27, 2012
 
ChristineM wrote:
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Why are you such a liar? The theory of relativity has nothing to do with it and you are stupid for even considering it.
I say that the Mass energy equivalence equation proves there is no omnipotent god in this universe.
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa
That cookie leftist atheist organization just happens to be the foremost research centre for theoretical physics in the world and if you had bothered to check your facts before rolling about like a hysterical duck you would be just that much smarter as appose to being the blithering idiot you proclaim yourself to be. Well done.
You are definitely not funny shit
You're a hick.

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Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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If your idea of the Christian God does not come from biblical description, then it has to come from something modern man has made up. Ether way, the Bible God is false.
You don't know.

The best you can do is undermine the description.

You have nothing to support the god being false.

If someone writes a book about Buck Crick that is inaccurate, it does not prove that Buck Crick does not exist.

It proves the book is inaccurate. Nothing else.

Have someone introduce you to logical argument...

...on second thought - don't. You would be lost.

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Buck Crick wrote:
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I have no religion.
But, hey, thanks for the info.
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.

You are one of the biggest religitards I've ever met.
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Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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If your idea of the Christian God does not come from biblical description, then it has to come from something modern man has made up. Ether way, the Bible God is false.
OK, here you seem to be taking on the burden of proof. Why do you do that? Why not just say they cannot prove the Bible God exists? The burden of proof should be on the believer. I just do not understand why socalled hard atheists make knowledge claims about any God, especiallyi the Bible one. Better to make ethical judgments about the Bible one, and say it is a bad critter. That much is more obvious than the assertion it does not exist.

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I never said religion could be corrected. Personally, I think religion itself is an error.
Almost all religions claim their God is eternal and unchanging, that implies that anything that comes from God is also eternal and unchanging. And that is at the root of the error, especially since all scriptures are actually the works of man, not any deity.
It implies no such thing.

You are an idiot.
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You're a hick.
well, she should not have insulted hysterical ducks.
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Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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I never said religion could be corrected. Personally, I think religion itself is an error.
Almost all religions claim their God is eternal and unchanging, that implies that anything that comes from God is also eternal and unchanging. And that is at the root of the error, especially since all scriptures are actually the works of man, not any deity.
I do not follow your argument. Why couldn't an eternal and unchanging God make things that are temporary and changing? I certainly think that all scriptures are the works of man and not a deity - and probably works of men far more than women, for thousands of years.

I personally think that religion can be made lots less evil than it is, at least, and that this would be a good thing - especially since it takes so long to get rid of religion entirely, for various reasons - such as that children get brainwashed young, and the most superstitious people seem to breed more and indoctrinate their children younger and more completely.

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