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havent forgotten Lamoni, IA	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #101546 May 22, 2012 Judged: 1 wilderide wrote: <quoted text> If you understand it then please explain it. you are asking bossdrop to explain why rape is a spiritual communion and sacrament. or why murder is nice.
wilderide “Credulity is not a virtue” Since: Apr 09 23,797 San Francisco	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #101547 May 22, 2012 wilderide wrote: <quoted text>Why would God give a set of laws and call them permanent and everlasting, then do a 180 and decide those laws were insufficient and send a semi-human version of itself down to be slaughtered for it's own sake? Where is the consistency in that? bossdrop wrote: <quoted text>you know why. you were taught it in church. you just reject it. which is your choice. I do know why, but I learned why after I left the church; it's because the Bible is not the inspired word of any deity. Paul and the early Jewish cult that later became the Christians anointed Jesus as the Jewish savior, but unfortunately in doing so they picked someone who did not fulfill any of the Jewish prophesies, and in trying to wrestle the Hebrew Bible into their new religion ended up making a real mess of it. The early Christians ended up with many texts and break-away sects all vying for primacy, and in the end the stronger sects banded together to determine a codified canon. Unfortunately by that time the documents they had on hand were several generations separated from any originals that they purported to come from originals, and over time more documents were discovered which showed that various books and letters differed from one another, and parts had been added or removed according to the politics of various parties involved. Then you have problems with interpretation and cultural reference on top of all that. That's why the Bible is a contradictory mess. And that's why the God described in it contradicts itself.
wilderide “Credulity is not a virtue” Since: Apr 09 23,797 San Francisco	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #101548 May 22, 2012 bossdrop wrote: <quoted text>the highest court in the land called it a religion. its a religion. You just hate to admit you need faith to believe that load of crap you fill your mind with daily. So you are saying religion is a bad thing?
wilderide “Credulity is not a virtue” Since: Apr 09 23,797 San Francisco	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #101549 May 22, 2012 bossdrop wrote: <quoted text>You trust in Scientist, then you trust in Man, and You worship Man. Secular Humanism. That's your religion. If you want to know what Jesus sounds like, go find out for yourself. Does that mean you likewise worship the humans who claimed to be witnesses to what Jesus did and said? Or do you just worship their claims?
Tide with Beach Since: Jan 11 10,055 United States	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #101550 May 22, 2012 bossdrop wrote: <quoted text>You trust in Scientist, then you trust in Man, and You worship Man. Secular Humanism. That's your religion. If you want to know what Jesus sounds like, go find out for yourself. I trust science, to an extent that would be impossible to relay to you. That trust is always changing based on the data I am privy to. I don't worship "man". I agree with Secular Humanism. It isn't a religion. Didn't you know this already? I don't talk to fictional book characters, boss.
It aint necessarily so “Life may be sweeter for this” Since: Nov 08 52,027 Fennario	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #101551 May 22, 2012 MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE wrote: <quoted text>how about 'schidt-for-brains'.... ....applicable to you and your hAtheist chHorts. Hey, pedophile apologist! I almost forgot. I still haven't seen your answer to my question below. Since you ignored it the last THIRTEEN times http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE... , I will ask you a FOURTEENTH time: Would you recommend that the mother of adolescent boys join the Catholic church, let her sons become altar boys, and allow them to spend unsupervised time with Catholic priests? Go ahead and say what you believe. Say, "Yes, bring your boys to the nearest Catholic church and leave them alone with a priest." I'd love a chance to reply to that. It's not like your every avoidance of this post doesn't already scream volumes. [MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE is also BobLoblah and POPE BENEDICT XVI, a Catholic apologist and famously despised Internet troll, on a scale comparable to Harold Peterson, pop quiz/porter, and the latest inductee into the Topix Hall Of Extreme Shame, ARGUING with IDIOTS]
KittenKoder “I Am No One Else” Since: Apr 12 19,252 Seattle	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #101552 May 22, 2012 bossdrop wrote: <quoted text>where did the particles and energy come from? Give science a chance, it may find it, it may not. Though nothing will falsify the claim of a creator, just again, your creator is not possible or good, the inherent contradictions in it's very existence make it so, not to mention that no evidence has been left to support any claims written about it. If a god does exist, it is nothing like any of the human made ones. There is also no possible way a god would hate it's own creation enough to destroy it on whims of anger.
bossdrop “Live Good, & Feel Good.” Since: Aug 09 7,580 Atl.	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #101553 May 22, 2012 Nontheist wrote: <quoted text> It's my life experience, and the experience of humanity at large over the centuries and thousands of years , that have taught me the supernatural doesn't exist. That I'm an atheist has nothing to do with that, since theists of their respective beliefs and religion see the "supernatural events", in your religion as impossible, too. Just think, if something happens in our universe, it must be a natural occurrence within this universe, no matter how rare it may be. Over the thousands of years of mans recorded history, not one, not --> one, "supernatural", event has been documented with any evidence that doesn't rely on a suspension of reason or requires a special belief in order to accept it. There is no unbiased evidence in support of a, "supernatural event". You'll point to the Jesus as being an actual "supernatural event", and the person who believes in another religion/deity, will point to their own, "supernatural events", as being a reality as well. What's more likely? That, for you, Christian supernatural events happened, or for the Hindu and his list of supernatural events happened too, but not yours. The Sikh believes none of either yours or the Hindu "supernatural events", but, for the Sikh, his certainly happened. The Muslim see you all as infidels and asserts his, "supernatural events", as reality Yet, you, the Hindu and Sikh or Muslim, etc... find my position as being flawed, because I don't believe your supernatural events plausible. What is more reasonable to conclude? Am I to maintain a faith in support of a belief that you each have your own, "supernatural events", and conclude they are all valid? All told, we can guess there are at least ten active religion/deity beliefs actively pursued at this moment, each with one or more, "supernatural events", that are claimed to be 100% real. Is the probability that you are all right? Is the probability that only one of you are right? Is the probability that maybe three of you are right and seven wrong? Or is the probability that you are all wrong? Can you all be right, and only those like me be wrong? I know, I know, I know, no, really I do. It comes down to this with every theist. Everyone is wrong but you. Why? "Because you know you know, because you just know!" Goddites are a hoot. Because "I" know. Exactly. What else matters? It all comes down to subjective personal evidence. I have personal subjective evidence that Jesus Christ is God. Your argument pretty much is everything happened on its own. Frankly you have more faith than me to believe that. Your faith, and it is a faith, is much stronger than mine to believe essentially that all exist by happenstance. in all my life experiences and the experiences of mankind for thousands of yrs have taught me, that to believe as you do, is the most absurd ridiculous and asinine mental ideology in existence today. And its why even hardcore atheism stronghold europe is seeing it for the farce it really is.

KittenKoder “I Am No One Else” Since: Apr 12 19,252 Seattle	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #101554 May 22, 2012 Judged: 2 1 1 havent forgotten, I have filed you under the "easily swayed" category, the same one I put the fundies in, because a lot of what you post is conspiracy nuttery, and that makes you no less gullible than them. Though you are less dangerous so your points are of no concern.
bossdrop “Live Good, & Feel Good.” Since: Aug 09 7,580 Atl.	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #101555 May 22, 2012 wilderide wrote: <quoted text> Does that mean you likewise worship the humans who claimed to be witnesses to what Jesus did and said? Or do you just worship their claims? I worship the Omnipotent God that inspired the witnesses to write and record the events of the Bible.
bossdrop “Live Good, & Feel Good.” Since: Aug 09 7,580 Atl.	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #101556 May 22, 2012 KittenKoder wrote: <quoted text> Give science a chance, it may find it, it may not. Though nothing will falsify the claim of a creator, just again, your creator is not possible or good, the inherent contradictions in it's very existence make it so, not to mention that no evidence has been left to support any claims written about it. If a god does exist, it is nothing like any of the human made ones. There is also no possible way a god would hate it's own creation enough to destroy it on whims of anger. you wanna bet?
bossdrop “Live Good, & Feel Good.” Since: Aug 09 7,580 Atl.	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #101557 May 22, 2012 wilderide wrote: <quoted text> So you are saying religion is a bad thing? depends on what religion ask you to do.
KittenKoder “I Am No One Else” Since: Apr 12 19,252 Seattle	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #101558 May 22, 2012 Judged: 1 bossdrop wrote: <quoted text>Because "I" know. Exactly. What else matters? It all comes down to subjective personal evidence. I have personal subjective evidence that Jesus Christ is God. Your argument pretty much is everything happened on its own. Frankly you have more faith than me to believe that. Your faith, and it is a faith, is much stronger than mine to believe essentially that all exist by happenstance. in all my life experiences and the experiences of mankind for thousands of yrs have taught me, that to believe as you do, is the most absurd ridiculous and asinine mental ideology in existence today. And its why even hardcore atheism stronghold europe is seeing it for the farce it really is. The crux of the problem though, what has what you "know" done to help humanity? Science has given us the very technology we are posting this on, and medical advances that have lengthened our lifespans significantly. We have food that is easy to get and safe to eat because of science as well. Want to know why people love science so much now? Because it works. Nothing as elaborate as religious excuse or belief, when something works we like it, and people don't ditch religion just because of science, they do so because religion does not work. The beliefs have generated no benefit.
bossdrop “Live Good, & Feel Good.” Since: Aug 09 7,580 Atl.	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #101559 May 22, 2012 wilderide wrote: <quoted text> If you understand it then please explain it. no :) its not job or my place.
bossdrop “Live Good, & Feel Good.” Since: Aug 09 7,580 Atl.	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #101560 May 22, 2012 *my
It aint necessarily so “Life may be sweeter for this” Since: Nov 08 52,027 Fennario	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #101561 May 22, 2012 Judged: 1 1 KittenKoder wrote: <quoted text> You know, you are the absolutely perfect example of a creatard zealot. Let me guess, Liberty University? Don't laugh. When everybody else is dead and gone, the Creatardigrades will still remain. At Liberty U, you can take classes pass/fail, or for creatardigrades. I know. I have an appointment for help soon.
bossdrop “Live Good, & Feel Good.” Since: Aug 09 7,580 Atl.	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #101562 May 22, 2012 KittenKoder wrote: havent forgotten, I have filed you under the "easily swayed" category, the same one I put the fundies in, because a lot of what you post is conspiracy nuttery, and that makes you no less gullible than them. Though you are less dangerous so your points are of no concern. ~~~scratched head~~~ah....<shrugs>, ok. You have no idea how much I think the word gullible should be beside the word Atheist in the dictionary.
wilderide “Credulity is not a virtue” Since: Apr 09 23,797 San Francisco	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #101563 May 22, 2012 Judged: 1 bossdrop wrote: <quoted text>no :) its not job or my place. Just be honest and acknowledge that you are stumped. None of us know everything, and to pretend to just undermines one's credibility. Think about how awful it would be to know everything. It would be like a curse. Can you imagine how dull?
bossdrop “Live Good, & Feel Good.” Since: Aug 09 7,580 Atl.	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #101564 May 22, 2012 KittenKoder wrote: <quoted text> The crux of the problem though, what has what you "know" done to help humanity? Science has given us the very technology we are posting this on, and medical advances that have lengthened our lifespans significantly. We have food that is easy to get and safe to eat because of science as well. Want to know why people love science so much now? Because it works. Nothing as elaborate as religious excuse or belief, when something works we like it, and people don't ditch religion just because of science, they do so because religion does not work. The beliefs have generated no benefit. You're describing apples and oranges, why can't faith and science co-exist? There are thousands of jewish scientists, muslim scients, christian scientists, etc. Here are a few examples: http://michaelcaputo.tripod.com/godandthegrea... They still have their faith and practice as a scientist. So your point is hogwash.
wilderide “Credulity is not a virtue” Since: Apr 09 23,797 San Francisco	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #101565 May 22, 2012 bossdrop wrote: <quoted text>I worship the Omnipotent God that inspired the witnesses to write and record the events of the Bible. Then why did this omnipotent God inspire contradictory witness testimony?
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