Who Is Allah?

rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:

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rabbee: most all people who worship hasatan, are unaware of this. since the worship of hasatan, is by deception.
and most always of those, claiming to be worshipers of hasatan. are not really, worshipers of hasatan. but are generally worshipers, of the even worse baal hamolech. with quite possibly a few worshipers, of the even worse halooseefer.
so these are the three infamous angels, of the not here in TheTorah origional sin. for which those, who claim to not be here in TheTorah, have any protection from G-D against them. here in these same old primative days, with adam and his thrice again appointed mate aaagains'es.
with this world exactly as primative, as forever before here in this second coming of Benee Adam. and please note, how primative you all are, in these same old end of the sixth day with adam and his mate returned from Adam again. and still stuck here in TheTorah, all from HaShem G-D just agains'es.

Hi second coming of Adam, how taste it was the fruit ha Satan fooled you with in TheTorah?

NotQuiter wrote:

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Is Stefano a Muslim? His question is a good one, however, no matter. If you continue saying how bad was Paul, and the teachings of the New Testament, how do you explain the situations in the Old Testament accredited to God, particularly under the Law, and even before that, for example, the flood of Noah's time, the killing of the first-born males of Egyptians? Then, going to the law, the stoning of disobedient children and more? Did the Law officially by God for the Jews change by God when Paul wrote what he did? Were the Jews still technically under the Law covenant when Paul wrote his letters? Did they abrogate the Law during Paul's time (i.e., officially stop rendering sacrifices at the temple and other temple-related duties under the Law? what do you think?)?

Naw, I don't think so. He's doesn't come out an say what he believes, but he's an equal opportunity critic. Perhaps he's a closet Catholic.

Religions evolve. Christianity certainly has.

The laws were given at a specific time in history and dealt with the culture of the time. Some of the laws are eternal and are so stated. No rabbis would change those. The remedy for modifying the non-eternal laws is given in Deuteronomy 17:

9. And you shall come to the Levitic kohanim and to the judge who will be in those days, and you shall inquire, and they will tell you the words of judgment.10. And you shall do according to the word they tell you, from the place the Lord will choose, and you shall observe to do according to all they instruct you.11. According to the law they instruct you and according to the judgment they say to you, you shall do; you shall not divert from the word they tell you, either right or left.

So it was anticipated the conditions and cultures change, so the authority to modify was given to the priests and judges "in those days" to do so. However, this could only be done by those with authority, this became the Sanhedrin, a body of 70 plus a nasi, to argue, debate, and decide.(These debates and decisions, including decisions on hypothetical cases were eventually compiled in the Talmud).

During the presidency of Gamaliel IV (270–290), due to Roman persecution, it dropped the name Sanhedrin; and its authoritative decisions were subsequently issued under the name of Beth HaMidrash

Gamaliel VI (400–425) was the Sanhedrin's last president. With his death in 425, executed by Theodosius II for erecting new synagogues contrary to the imperial decree, the title Nasi, the last remains of the ancient Sanhedrin, became illegal. An imperial decree of 426 diverted the patriarchs' tax (post excessum patriarchorum) into the imperial treasury

In October 2004 (Tishrei 5765), a group of rabbis representing varied Orthodox communities in Israel undertook a ceremony in Tiberias[17], where the original Sanhedrin was disbanded, which is claimed to re-establish the body according to the proposal of Maimonides and the Jewish legal rulings of Rabbi Yosef Karo. The controversial attempt has been subject to debate within different Jewish communities.

"2005:Members of Reestablished Sanhedrin Ascend Temple Mount
In a dramatic but unpublicized move, members of the newly established Sanhedrin ascended the Temple Mount, Judaism’s holiest site, this past Monday."
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.a...

http://www.thesanhedrin.org/en/index.php/Bnei... 's_relationship_with_non-Jews

http://www.templeinstitute.org/archive/10-01-...

The majority of the modern "educated" people are today faced with a religious crisis.
Is religion really a fact of life? It might have been one in the past, but does it still remain
so in the world of today when science has changed the whole course of life, and when
there is no place in it for anything save science and what scientific facts approve of? Does
religion represent a genuine need of humanity? Or is it something wholly dependent upon
the temperamental constitution of an individual so that one may not believe in it as there
is no difference between the two states of belief and unbelief '?
Talking about Islam they betray a similar state of intellectual crisis when the
missionaries of Islam tell them that Islam is not a mere creed, nor does it represent simply
an edification of souls, or a refinement and training of human virtues but is rather a
harmonious whole that also includes a just economic system, a well-balanced social
organization, codes of civil, criminal as well as international law, & philosophical
outlook upon life along with a system of physical instruction, all of these flowing from
the same fundamental creed of Islam and its moral and spiritual temperament. When they
hear all this, these "educated" people are greatly perplexed, for they supposed that Islam
had since long ceased to exist as it has become outmoded and had exhausted all its
usefulness. That is why they are surprised when they hear devout Muslims saying that
Islam does not belong to a remote past, it is not obsolete or antiquated but is a living and
flourishing system of life even at the present moment, as it holds within itself such
elements of life as no other system known to humanity does including socialism as well
as communism or any other system.
At this their surprise exceeds limits, they can no more contain themselves, so they
scream at these preachers of Gods words: Do you tell us all this about the religion that
approves of slavery, feudalism and capitalism-the system which holds that woman is only
a half-man and imprisons her within her household; which prescribes such punishments
as stoning to death, mutilation and whipping; which lets its people live on charity; which
splits them up into different classes, some exploiting the other; a system which provides
no security of decent living to the toiling people; and a system which is such and such,
how is it possible that such a system should even hold its own today, let alone its survival
in the future? Not to speak of its triumph and contending successfully, how can such a
system even hold out in the ruthless ideological struggle going on at present among
different modern socio-economic systems?
by. Muhammad kuttub

STEFANO COLONNA wrote:

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Hi second coming of Adam, how taste it was the fruit ha Satan fooled you with in TheTorah?

rabbee: well i would say, you are extreemly bitter to the taste. since you are one of, the forbidden antiG-D fruits.

The brainless, superstitious, fanatical and demon worshipping Jewish posters stay offline on the shabat. LOL.

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The brainless, superstitious, fanatical and demon worshipping Jewish posters stay offline on the SHABBAT. LOL.

DELUDED PROPHETS:

1) Most of these so-called prophets and so-called saints who dabble in revelations without having a profound spiritual life are immediately deluded by the adverse vital beings and some of these so-called prophets or so-called holy men even take them as the supreme God and worship them.

This is generally how religions are created.

2) These so-called religions are a great success.

3) The adverse vital beings are the supreme God of many a religion and can assume an appearance of overwhelming beauty and radiance. They are the biggest impostors in the world, and dangerous at that; it takes the instinct of true spiritual purity, not to be deceived by these hostile vital beings who masquerade as God.

4) Many so-called religions, cults and sects are founded on revelations and miracles, and every bit of it comes from the adverse vital beings.

5) It's one of the greatest problems in human life that has ruined the world.

JOEL PASTAKIA wrote:

The brainless, superstitious, fanatical and demon worshipping Jewish posters stay offline on the shabat. LOL.

rabbee: not while there is a world at war, against G-D here in TheTorah again.

and when TheShabbos has ended in Yeroosalem, then it has ended for the whole world. since G-D does not adhere, to your own personal worldly loco-motive time.

and HaMosheeach is not going to take, the day off while G-D is on TheDay of Vacation again. and they both are going to have to do, G-D'S Job here in TheTorah, while G-D is resting and watching. just like the last time, G-D gave this same story. to this self rejected world, for rejecting HIM here in TheTorah.

Mohammed Ahmed wrote:

The majority of the modern "educated" people are today faced with a religious crisis.
Is religion really a fact of life? It might have been one in the past, but does it still remain
so in the world of today when science has changed the whole course of life, and when
there is no place in it for anything save science and what scientific facts approve of? Does
religion represent a genuine need of humanity? Or is it something wholly dependent upon
the temperamental constitution of an individual so that one may not believe in it as there
is no difference between the two states of belief and unbelief '?
Talking about Islam they betray a similar state of intellectual crisis when the
missionaries of Islam tell them that Islam is not a mere creed, nor does it represent simply
an edification of souls, or a refinement and training of human virtues but is rather a
harmonious whole that also includes a just economic system, a well-balanced social
organization, codes of civil, criminal as well as international law, & philosophical
outlook upon life along with a system of physical instruction, all of these flowing from
the same fundamental creed of Islam and its moral and spiritual temperament. When they
hear all this, these "educated" people are greatly perplexed, for they supposed that Islam
had since long ceased to exist as it has become outmoded and had exhausted all its
usefulness. That is why they are surprised when they hear devout Muslims saying that
Islam does not belong to a remote past, it is not obsolete or antiquated but is a living and
flourishing system of life even at the present moment, as it holds within itself such
elements of life as no other system known to humanity does including socialism as well
as communism or any other system.
At this their surprise exceeds limits, they can no more contain themselves, so they
scream at these preachers of Gods words: Do you tell us all this about the religion that
approves of slavery, feudalism and capitalism-the system which holds that woman is only
a half-man and imprisons her within her household; which prescribes such punishments
as stoning to death, mutilation and whipping; which lets its people live on charity; which
splits them up into different classes, some exploiting the other; a system which provides
no security of decent living to the toiling people; and a system which is such and such,
how is it possible that such a system should even hold its own today, let alone its survival
in the future? Not to speak of its triumph and contending successfully, how can such a
system even hold out in the ruthless ideological struggle going on at present among
different modern socio-economic systems?
by. Muhammad kuttub

Religion and spirituality are two different things. Now a days religion has nothing to do with spirituality and it is more about rituals. To believe in almighty and worship him no puja or namaj is required. Only our devotion to almighty is enough. If you offer namaj five times a day and also kill innocent women and children, then you think that the God will be very happy with you and send you to Jannat.

The ancient "dharma" had no name like Islam, Hinduism or Christianity. It was about following the path of "righteousness".

Evil, possessed, eugenically abnormal, mentally unstable, brainless, demon worshipping fool.

SeasideSoon wrote:

<quoted text>I don't think that should be necessary as we can probably agree to agree that we accept the writings of the Tanakh, obviously accepting that things like stoning and slavery have been abolished in the evolution of the culture

I do not accept that premise.(that is, "things like stone and slavery have been abolished in the evolution of the culture.") Here's why. The "law" of Moses, as far as I understand from the scriptures, was never improved on by God, or abolished by the Jews as to offer something that was an improvement. If you agree that God Himself spoke to Moses, where is it written that God said, "OK. Now you don't have to stone people to death any more for certain crimes. I've improved on that one, so let's forget that part. We'll hang such persons, or give them the electric chair or just put them in jail."

SeasideSoon wrote:

But if you're up for it, let's concentrate on Paul vs. the Tanakh. Do you have any particular words of Paul that you'd like to compare?

Compare? with? the Tanakh??? No, not at this time.

NotQuiter wrote:

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I do not accept that premise.(that is, "things like stone and slavery have been abolished in the evolution of the culture.") Here's why. The "law" of Moses, as far as I understand from the scriptures, was never improved on by God, or abolished by the Jews as to offer something that was an improvement. If you agree that God Himself spoke to Moses, where is it written that God said, "OK. Now you don't have to stone people to death any more for certain crimes. I've improved on that one, so let's forget that part. We'll hang such persons, or give them the electric chair or just put them in jail."
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Compare? with? the Tanakh??? No, not at this time.

In other words, you didn't read Deuteronomy 17.

JOEL PASTAKIA wrote:

Evil, possessed, eugenically abnormal, mentally unstable, brainless, demon worshipping fool.

Flaunting your attributes again?:))

SeasideSoon wrote:

<quoted text>In other words, you didn't read Deuteronomy 17.

OK, see what you're saying about Deuteronomy 17. I had in mind the encounter Samuel had with the Israelites at 1 Samuel 8, where the people wanted a king and the LORD told Samuel they were not rejecting Samuel, but the LORD, when they wanted a king. Up until then, God had been king. "But when they said,“Give us a king to lead us,” this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the Lord. 7And the Lord told him:“Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. 8As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. 9Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do.”

SPIRITUALISM:

Spiritualism as the name implies is all about directly communing and merging with the spirit - the consciousnesses of the supraphysical planes - and finally with the absolute consciousness, whereas, religion, too, has the same role if one goes by the etymology - religare - to bind - which means to unite the self to the super self through the yogic union in being.

However, over the ages, given the limitations of the various prophets and the unregenerate nature of the common herd, religion has degenerated into a set of mindless rituals, bigotry, sectarianism, the source of violence and mass superstitions with each religion having its own god which in many cases is simply a demon as we see in Judaism.

So, while religion is dead and is heading for extinction, spiritualism can only get stronger and with the coming supramental manifestation on earth, self-realization via the yogic union in consciousness of the awakened psychic with the cosmic self is set to become the common discipline of surviving humanity with far reaching consequences.

Spiritualism proceeds along the lines of being and becoming which is a direct communion and union with the spirit.

HIGHLIGHT:

Over the ages, given the limitations of the various prophets and the unregenerate nature of the common herd, religion has degenerated into a set of mindless rituals, bigotry, sectarianism, violence and mass superstitions with each religion having its own god which in many cases is simply a demon as we see in Judaism which is Satan worship in manifest form.

JOEL PASTAKIA wrote:

Spiritualism proceeds along the lines of being and becoming which is a direct communion and union with the spirit.

Then why are you so unbecoming?

DHARMA is the righteous way that links the individual self with the Supreme Self via the existential laws (of supermind, mind, vital and matter) that uphold and promote being and becoming and which lead to the complete conquest of nature and being through the grand union of the individual self with all the planes of the Manifestation and ultimately with the Supreme Self.

Be the One which you already are in the essence.

TAT Tvam Asi - THAT Thou Art!

Under no circumstances does being and becoming proceed through demon worship that we see among the Jews or through fanaticism of any variety.