Catholic Church Waging War on Women and Gays

Anonomous 2 U wrote:

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I believe that when you call anyone common or unclean, you have in your mind "thrown them away". This is a hurtful thing on more than just one level. I don't believe we were meant to hurt each other.

Yet you belong to a religion where the basis OF the religion is that the lost-ones will burn in hell ... and you stay in the cult ... quite satisfied that it is leading you on the path of righteousness.

Anonomous 2 U wrote:

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So what? People who use computers are also called users.
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

Of course people who use computers are users. People who eat food are users of the food. People that breathe are users of air.

But people that use words in a bible are making claims of knowing truth to support their claims that they in turn can't prove have any merit to them ... other than to the egos of the word-users.

Anonomous 2 U wrote:

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I may be a bit untraditional,

To a Muslim or a Jew or a Hindu, you are untraditional.

To many Christians, you are VERY traditional.

Cultural Anthropology by Selby Garretson

Language and the External World

People have often wondered for centuries whether the world that we construct or perceive is a faithful copy of the real world. Some philosophers believe that there is no real world at all. They think that the world that we know is entirely a construction of the mind. The mind working upon itself creates the world, they suggest. There are no real, palpable, observable, external entities “out there” in this view. Rather, the events and elements of the real world are products of the mind.

Cultural Anthropology by Selby Garretson

Cultural Anthropology by Selby Garretson

Defining culture

First, when we are born there is the world picture waiting for us that our parents and other adults show. They teach us about the world that was constructed for them and that they modified during the course of their lives by talking and agreeing with others.

June VanDerMark wrote:

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Yet you belong to a religion where the basis OF the religion is that the lost-ones will burn in hell ... and you stay in the cult ... quite satisfied that it is leading you on the path of righteousness.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
No June, I belong to a religion that believes there need be no others.

June VanDerMark wrote:

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I've explained to you many times that I don't pretend from my tunnel-vision to know what is and what is not truth, as I don't even know if such a thing as truth exists.
If I was indoctrinated to believe as do the polygamists that having multiple sister-wives was aligned to the will of "god," that might be my perception, until and if I changed my perception and chose to leave the cult for a monogamous relationship.
You don't take into account that those in different cultures base their ideas of "truth" on different perceptions than yours.
There are words in that bible that will lure people to kill, and there are words that will lure them to believe certain acts, such as preaching the "gospel" to others is a kindness. While those on the receiving end of the sermons might believe that the sermons are preached "at them" and come from self-righteous attitudes.
It's all about perception.

How do you define "truth"? What do you feel should happen for you to believe there is such a thing as truth?

June VanDerMark wrote:

Cultural Anthropology by Selby Garretson
Cultural Anthropology by Selby Garretson
Defining culture
First, when we are born there is the world picture waiting for us that our parents and other adults show. They teach us about the world that was constructed for them and that they modified during the course of their lives by talking and agreeing with others.

sUre June.

Anonomous 2 U wrote:

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Can you see the truth of this?
Don't you love to see this? Ephesians 4:28 Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need.
Exodus 20:14 You shall not commit adultery. You probably don't cheat on your mate or, want your mate to cheat on you.

Can you see the self-conceit of christians when they say --christianity is the only true religion?

Here are a few others with the same conceit.

Aestholatry
African primal-indigenous religion
Agnostic
Alchemist
Alcoholics Anonymous
Alienist
Alien's religions
Alien's religions of Earthlings
Amish
Anarchist
Ancestor venerationost
Ancient Egyptian Religions
Angelist
Anglican / Episcopalian
Anthropomorphic Animalists
Anti-mutantist
Arthurianists
Astrologist
Atheistdemon animal
Celtic Pagan
Demonidolatarist
Disciples of Christ
Dragonist
Druid
Druze
Dutch Reformed
Eastern mysticism
Eastern Orthodox
Egyptian classical religion
Elf
Elvis worship
Environmentalist / Gaian
Evangelical
Existentialism
Faerie
familiar
Feminist
Fictional religions
Freudian
Gambling
Genie Believers
Ghost talker/spiritalist
Gnostic
Goddess worshipers
Goth
Greco-Roman classical religion
Greek Pre CE Religions
Gypsy / Roma
Hedonist
Hidden race religions
Hindu
Hippie
Humanist
Hunterist
Ideosyncratics
Incan
Inuit
Jain
Jehovah's Witnesses
Jewish
Jewish Catholic
Judeo-Christian
Latter-day Saint / Mormon
LGBT
Luddite
Lutheran
Machiavellian
Manifestly non-religious
Mayan
Methodist
Muslim
Mutant supremacist
Mustophile
Mystics (Entity invoking)
Native American religion
Nazi
New Age
Nietzschean
Nihilist
Ninjutsu
Non-Denominational
Non-Religious
Norse/Teutonic paganism
Objectivist
Occultst
Pacifist
Pagan (all)
Pentecostal
Peoples Temple
Polynesian traditional religion
Possessed by demon
Possessed by spirit
Pre-Egyptian Religions
Presbyterian
Primal-indigenous cults
Protestant
Protestant (fractional denominations)
Protestant (other)
Protestant (anti)
Puritan
Quaker
Radical pacifist
Rastafarian
Religious/ethical
Resurrected
Sadist/masochist
Salvation Army Soldier
Santeriaist
Satanism
Scientism
Scientology
Sentient inanimates
Separatist
Seventh-Day Adventist
Shinto
Sikh
Slavic paganism
Social Darwinist
Spiritism
Sumerian / Mesopotamian
Swedenborgian
tabula rasa
Taoist
Tarot
Tengriism
Theosophist
Tibetan Buddhism
Transcendental Meditation
Transhumanist
UFO religionist
Ultra-nationalist
Unification Church
Unaffiliated Religious
Unitarian
Universalist
United Church of Christ
uplifted animal
Utilitarian
Utopian
Vampire worshipers
Vegan
vengeancist
Voodoo Practitioner
Voudon
White Supremacist
Wiccan
Yazidi
Zen
Zoroastrian

And etc.. etc.. etc., etc., etc.+++***+++

Anonomous 2 U wrote:

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How do you define "truth"? What do you feel should happen for you to believe there is such a thing as truth?

I don't know!

What do you think should happen to me so I learn truth? From your perception, would believing as you believe guarantee that I would know truth?

Jumper wrote:

<quoted text>sUre June.

We are you addressing me? I didn't write those words.

Economist wrote:

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Can you see the self-conceit of christians when they say --christianity is the only true religion?

Yes! But they don't see it that way.

If people place complete faith in dogmas, it's because they believe the dogmas "ring" true for them.

Anonomous 2 U wrote:

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John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
No June, I belong to a religion that believes there need be no others.

And I repeat ... you belong to a religion where the basis OF the religion is that the lost-ones will burn in hell ... and you stay in the cult ... quite satisfied that it is leading you on the path of righteousness.

Jumper wrote:

<quoted text>sUre June.

jUmpin Bean:

The kind of a person who utters few words because, if he did say more, people would know of his mental weakness.

How humiliating, it must be, to respond with only mono-syllabic words!

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June VanDerMark wrote:

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I don't know!
What do you think should happen to me so I learn truth? From your perception, would believing as you believe guarantee that I would know truth?

I do realize that I am a work in progress. I don't really know what should happen to you. Only God has the right to decide that, because He's the only one who truly knows your heart of hearts. For my own part I would hope that the "something" would be so kind and loving that you couldn't miss it for what it was.

WASHINGTON -- Women including sports icon Billie Jean King and actress Jane Lynch are starting a super PAC on Wednesday that they hope will increase the political power of the lesbian community.

The organization, called LPAC, will provide financial backing to pro-lesbian candidates, male or female, gay or straight. The group intends to back federal and state candidates, as well as some ballot measures.

All targets of the group's support must back an end to discrimination for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender individuals; reproductive rights and access to quality health care; and social, racial and economic justice.

Group members said they have pledges of $200,000 and hope to raise at least $1 million for the 2012 elections. High-profile supporters include King, Lynch, Chicago Cubs co-owner Laura Ricketts and LGBT leader Urvashi Vaid.

"Members of the LGBT community are inspirational leaders and role models in every aspect of American life -- from education to entertainment, from sports to science,” said King in a statement.

"The formation of LPAC provides lesbians and the entire LGBT community a new, stronger voice and a real and respected seat at the table when politicians make policy that impacts our lives."

Laura Ricketts is the daughter of Joe Ricketts, a Republican businessman who has donated large sums to an anti-Obama super PAC. His daughter, however, is a major donor to the president.

While there are already women's and LGBT groups -- such as EMILY's List and the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund -- LPAC bills itself as the first super PAC to specifically target lesbians, who are generally a small subset of these two communities.

"Women's voices get lost a lot and get overshadowed in almost all settings," said Sarah Schmidt, LPAC's spokeswoman, in an interview with The Huffington Post.

"So I think there's a real opportunity here to engage women who haven't been engaged before -- for lesbians, in particular, to speak for ourselves about the issues that are important to us and to define those issues in our own words.

It's a chance to really have a seat at the table when these critical issues are being discussed and the policy is being developed. We want to be there. We want to be in the middle of the conversation."

Schmidt said the super PAC hasn't determined which candidates it will endorse.

Some, she said, seem like obvious choices, including Rep. Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.), the only lesbian in the House who would become the first openly gay person in the Senate if elected.

When asked if she believed any Republicans would be included in this group, Schmidt said she was doubtful.

"Part of the reason why we're mobilizing right now is because of what's been going on in the political conversation and what we've been hearing coming from the Republican Party around these issues that's been so disheartening," Schmidt said.

"We would really hope that we can find some Republican candidates to support. I'm not sure that's going to happen this cycle.

Beyond simply supporting pro-lesbian candidates, LPAC aims to build a network of women who stay involved after the election.

"We hope that that engagement with one another really helps us to have a more powerful voice in the conversation around these issues as we move forward," said Schmidt.

"I think that makes this PAC a little bit different than many."

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Anonomous 2 U wrote:

<quoted text> I do realize that I am a work in progress. I don't really know what should happen to you. Only God has the right to decide that, because He's the only one who truly knows your heart of hearts. For my own part I would hope that the "something" would be so kind and loving that you couldn't miss it for what it was.

So you are a work of "god" in "progress" HUH?

:)

In other words, if I believed as you believe, you would be certain that a god would be kind to me for believing the RIGHT way.

You need not hide behind your banner of self-perceived righteousness. I've heard your type of lingo many times before.

Anonomous 2 U wrote:

<quoted text>Only God has the right to decide that,

Which god of the thousands of human-created gods do you believe should decide my fate?

OH ... let me guess. It would be the one true god that rewards ONLY Christians with bliss in the afterlife.

Did I guess the "right" god???

:)

June VanDerMark wrote:

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Which god of the thousands of human-created gods do you believe should decide my fate?
OH ... let me guess. It would be the one true god that rewards ONLY Christians with bliss in the afterlife.
Did I guess the "right" god???
:)

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Why not test the scriptures? You should begin your own personal odyssey. Pray for guidance in all these things and I believe you will get it. When it comes you will know it.

Anonomous 2 U wrote:

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1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Why not test the scriptures? You should begin your own personal odyssey. Pray for guidance in all these things and I believe you will get it. When it comes you will know it.

Your non-answer IS your answer.

You only place value on your Christian image of a god.

You are so blinded by your indoctrination, you can't see past it to the fact that there is a world of people out there who value imaginary gods of different "flavors."