Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Educated What wrote:

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This is a claim so prove it.

The 'Church' stiffled to work of eminent people who suggeted what the TRUTH is. Men like NicolausCopernicus,Philolaus, Ponticus, Tycho Brahe, last (of my memory holding) but never the least Galileo. Need any more?

EdSed wrote:

Foreigners? I felt obliged to attend Church until I was 16 and people did pay lip-service to religion to 'keep the peace'. Is that a good way to be? It isn't a matter of destroying community but being inclusive.
I just try to address all problems, including those caused by religion.
http://www.britishafghanwomen.org/
Would the Afghan's women's society turn away atheists? Possibly if they were too 'Islamic', i.e. religious. Hopefully, they are secular and form a community to help all Afghans.
Religions are associations for the purpose of religion. If not, why not do what some congregations have done and reject most dogma and superstition?
http://orthodoxnet.com/blog/2011/08/the-non-c...
But if they were to do that, people could as easily be entirely rational, keep their community intact and simply agree to reject Abrahamic gods, all dogma and superstition. They could opt for a humanist, naturalist or secular philosophy. When did you last hear of a British congregation that discussed which religion they should be, if any?
I simply urge people to be more rational.

My conclusion is that you cannot moralise, convince, influence, legislate, rationalise or judge about religion.
It's in fact a private matter, at the core of individuals, and not something that is debatable.
After all, people die in its defense or trying to destroy it.
I can perfectly carry on living my own agnostic experience... and tolerate religion around me. It's not even a subject of division in my family and we all have different opinions. I guess that tolerance is the key word here, and it's what should be promoted, not beliefs or non-beliefs.

EdSed wrote:

When, in the KSA, will we see: women's equality with men, an elected head of government, the freedom to draw cartoons lampooning the prophet Mohammad and the inclusion of people of all religious faiths and none?

Probably never for some of it.
More than any Muslim country, the KSA sees itself as the guardian of Islam and its society is structured to defend it; liberalism isn't in Islam's agenda.

You better resign to that idea.

Women have a special role in Islam, but not equality per se.
Democracy is incompatible with the teachings of Islam.
Blasphemy is a crime in Islam.

ronan wrote:

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My conclusion is that you cannot moralise, convince, influence, legislate, rationalise or judge about religion.
It's in fact a private matter, at the core of individuals, and not something that is debatable.

If they keep it private I don't comment on it. And I'm not moralising.

I'm standing up for what I see as right and opposing what I see as wrong. Will it be better if people stopped doing that?

ronan wrote:

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After all, people die in its defense or trying to destroy it.

What is 'it'? They can keep their religion private. It is all the specific harm religion causes that I oppose.

ronan wrote:

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I can perfectly carry on living my own agnostic experience... and tolerate religion around me.

Are you suggesting I am different?

ronan wrote:

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It's not even a subject of division in my family and we all have different opinions. I guess that tolerance is the key word here, and it's what should be promoted, not beliefs or non-beliefs.

It is tolerance for which I strive too.

Where is the tolerance in child mutilation? And is it intolerant to point out that religion is superstition?

ronan wrote:

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Probably never for some of it.
More than any Muslim country, the KSA sees itself as the guardian of Islam and its society is structured to defend it; liberalism isn't in Islam's agenda.
You better resign to that idea.
Women have a special role in Islam, but not equality per se.
Democracy is incompatible with the teachings of Islam.
Blasphemy is a crime in Islam.

You see no serious problems with the KSA even when they are explicitly highlighted.

EdSed wrote:

<quoted text>You see no serious problems with the KSA even when they are explicitly highlighted.

If the KSA was my country, I could have a different opinion, but it is not, Thanks ... God!

I think that we should stop moralising aboput other religions, cultures and countries when they don't affect us.

Is has been the "white man's burden" for the 2 last centuries to try bringing some parts of the world to our way of thinking and our standards.
We have be successful in some places, and failed in others. But at the end, this interference made us resented in many countries, and in many places.

I don't want for us to repeat the mistakes of the past and I think we should stop moralising. Personally, I don't care how some distant countries treat they folks in the name of religion: it doesn't affect me.

Every time the West tries to put something right (according to our way of thinking), we get the blame for it.
I expect people who choose to live in my country to accept our traditions and respect our laws, but I don't think it's a business of ours to kepp telling them how they should run their country.

Evolution (sometimes revolution) must come from inside, and shouldn't been imposed from outside.

I simply oppose what's wrong, regardless of where.

Oppression of women, injustices and lack of freedom of speech are wrong wherever they occur.

And the more extreme the examples the more reason to say so.
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/02...

EdSed wrote:

I simply oppose what's wrong, regardless of where.
Oppression of women, injustices and lack of freedom of speech are wrong wherever they occur.
And the more extreme the examples the more reason to say so.
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/02...

Very commendable, and I wish you good luck!

there is no use of spreading rationality in this blind ignorance-infested globe.
Respect the views and keep aloof from the irrational half-informed unfortunate victims of religeous innocents..
I am a rationalist and i need no dog or god

jacktheladat1 wrote:

<quoted text>The 'Church' stiffled to work of eminent people who suggeted what the TRUTH is. Men like NicolausCopernicus,Philolaus, Ponticus, Tycho Brahe, last (of my memory holding) but never the least Galileo. Need any more?

Please and list sources for my reading pleasure.

EdSed wrote:

<quoted text>If they keep it private I don't comment on it. And I'm not moralising.
I'm standing up for what I see as right and opposing what I see as wrong. Will it be better if people stopped doing that?
<quoted text> What is 'it'? They can keep their religion private. It is all the specific harm religion causes that I oppose.
<quoted text>Are you suggesting I am different?
<quoted text>It is tolerance for which I strive too.
Where is the tolerance in child mutilation? And is it intolerant to point out that religion is superstition?

In another thread, if you ask Nuggin, The Dude, Bluenose & havent forgotten, apparently it's now intolerant to demand evidence from cult liars too...

Someone is drowning....Hmmmm....

Educated What wrote:

Someone is drowning....Hmmmm....

Do you want a liferaft?

The realities of a dumb person named skeptic.

Educated What wrote:

The realities of a dumb person named skeptic.

At least I'm not dumb enough to believe humans rode on dinosaurs with all evidence pointing against this childish creationist fantasy

Prove the claim you will not. The force of retardation is strong with this one.

What makes the religious people to rejoice or enjoy on a specific days?
like hindu's deepavali or Christians 24th december or Muslims Ramdhan?.
Why not each and every second a pious, noble religious persons?
Should we need a guy who was born in a country where the war is the day-to-day olympic game?.
In US dollor there is a sentense.
in God we trust.
Is it? ask the OWS guys

Educated What wrote:

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Please and list sources for my reading pleasure.

GOOGLE

El Sed wrote:

Change the words 'religious' and 'secular' around, so that each is in place of the other in this part above and I might agree with you, but then my prejudice would be showing.

Objectively, religion has nothing to do with behavior or morality. There are plenty of well-educated religionists who murder, rape and kill.

Thanks for your reply Muq, but I couldn't disagree with you more.

You conflate morality with religion. There is no connection. And I did get my morals and manners in part from my secular education. As I said, our behavior is determined by nature and nurture. Religion has nothing whatever to do with it. Superstition breeds ignorance and religion is mere superstition based on an act of faith.

Ans.

Just look at all those Criminals and cheats in this world, how many of those received "Secular Education"?

And then compare them with the Criminals and Cheats who received 'Religious Education"?

So can we say that Secular Education leads one to crime and cheating?

The religious education and religious people do not mean people that just claim outwardly that they belong to a particular religion.

The people who act on the principles of their religion are really the religious people.

The people who do acts of crimes and cheat people are as Pseudo religious, as those Secular Educated Graduates who commit murders and rapes and other heinous acts.

The problem is in your perception, you deem the acts done by secular educated people as acts of their own and have nothing to do with the Secular Education.

While on the other hand, crimes and mistakes of religious educated people are blamed on the religion and not on the people themselves.

It is just the case of using double standards for the two cases.

And this mistake or misconception is not a new thing, it is being cultivated over periods of centuries.

Jack wrote:

MUQ - I AM an Atheist, I DO NOT try to do anything-what-so-ever re ur accusations. I DO NOT have to prove to you, or any body/one else MY LOGICAL beliefs. I have absolutely no reason or desire to cut/paste works of others to convey those beliefs. I have undergone a relatively arduous scientific EDUCATION, which IMO points to ANY truth in a manner that ANY "HOLY" book can only dream about.
Atheism is a condition of heart: Cobblers, Atheism is a BELIEF that ANY God DOES NOT EXIST. Full stop.

Your command of the English language is, putting it mildly, astonishingly atrocious. How do you explain a belief to be a 'stage?' Your posts are so utterly childishly stupid, they verge on being vomit inducing. Don't even consider being born again - JUST GROW UP.

Ans.

So atheism is your own cocked up "belief" that there is no Creator of this Universe and every thing in it just came by itself? That is what I said is very unreasonable and very illogical stand.

Nothing creates itself and nothing just comes by chance.

You consider my posts as "inducing vomit"? Please vomit it, your false ideas of Atheism might go out with your vomit!!

I am very pleased that my posts generate such strong reactions in you, it shows you are not completely lost, you have some feelings left.

I have a high hopes for your recovery from this madness you call as Atheism.