In America, atheists are still in the closet

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“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#18648 Jun 23, 2012
Nontheist wrote:
It's fascinating to see each obsession you develop on this thread.
For someone that seems to be so hung up on the nuances of words and language, I'm amazed at how rigid you can be with such an ever evolving medium.
We'd likely be speaking and writing in some variation of Eald Englisc, be gode, gif ■ū habban Úower wīse, nß?
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It's okay. This response isn't for you, either.
<quoted text> Insofar as it's impossible for a newborn to have the belief of the theist, by default it would have no theistic belief. Is that atheist?
It certainly isn't theist.
So what? A newborn baby has little *thought* of anything, other than hunger, bowel movement, sleep, succor. None of that qualifies as reasoned thought. A newborn baby doesn't believe in Santa, prefer football over baseball and doesn't care what your clothes look like. It doesn't know if it'll like scrambled eggs or pancakes or anything of that sort and more until it is introduced to those things and taught what they are, exposed to them and told what or how to think of them, or can experience them and decide for his or her self what to think of whatever it may be.
At the least, this suggests that theism and *pretty much* all else is taught or learned, as you will so eloquently point out in your last statement.
Newborn --to--> children are really impressionable early on. Whatever you tell them, they generally and literally accept as unshakable fact, at least until an older age.
A newborn is like a blank slate.
<quoted text> Are you saying that rocks or pool tables are theists?
Did you catch my use of *blank slate*^up^ there? It was a cue. HAR HAR HARRRR!
You set me up for that. Chalk one up for the old eagle eye and luck. I love the way you can spin stuff with the right application of English. What a bust. I felt it, did you?
Thanks for the bump and chance to run that much slop with so little effort.
OH, and make sure to try the waitress and tip the punch before you leave!
<quoted text>You answered your first question just now, and the key word is,*teacher*.
Children are taught.
Thanks for the comment. For reasons that defy conventional theist thought, my son makes very good grades, is very polite, cares about people and gets in none, and I mean freekin none of the trouble that other of his friends have or do.
The friends I mentioned earlier, allŚ>theists, and from birth Ś as you seem to think.
Your opinion of my parenting capabilities is exactly what I'm used to. I've come to expect it, and that tells me I've done the right things. He'll soon be 16.
Not too bad for a single dad(AN ATHEIST!...lions and tigers and bears, OH MY!), eh?
He shoots better than I do, too, at pool and things utilizing velocity and spin.
People tell me he has my eyes.
At least one of them.
Praise the fnord.
Rack'em, Chauncey.■)
"HwŠt! We Gardena in geardagum,
■eodcyninga,■rym gefrunon,
hu ­a Š■elingas ellen fremedon.
Oft Scyld Scefing scea■ena ■reatum..."

“free your mind.”

Since: Oct 10

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#18649 Jun 23, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. was that really necessary ??..
Hi HL.. ignore the comments of those of no consequence.

You responded to one of my posts a couple of days back re 'the ego' which i meant to respond to but is now too far back to find.. so apologies for not doing so..
unless you can remember your points and refresh my memory..!

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#18650 Jun 23, 2012
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>My ass is an atheist.

Coincidentally, it has the same intelligence as you.
We know it's what you talk out of, but all it talks is shit.

Since: Apr 09

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#18652 Jun 23, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
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I didn't say it contradicts itself. But yes I do think some verses are open to interpretation. Why do you care? You don't believe or follow the bible. Again, if this was meant as an insult try again. Although I am noticing a trend. If you don't have a legitimate argument simply resort to trying to insult someone's beliefs. As shocking as this may sound, what people I have never meant think about what I believe spiritually doesn't matter to me. It is actually shocking how many people seem to think it would, even setting aside the immaturity of the tactic.
If you view what I wrote as an insult, you either have a remarkably thin skin or you're just looking for a fight.

I was merely pointing out that the bible is vague and contradictory.

“free your mind.”

Since: Oct 10

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#18653 Jun 23, 2012
True Truth wrote:
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We are humans. Everyone has some irrational attributes to them. Some believe in an infinite God, others in an infinite universe. Then there's football zealots, even resorting to hooliganism for a team they own no shares in. Hell, some people even have a favourite colour. I have yet to learn what the hell that means.
It's the product of imagination and free independent thinking.
Some people are so afraid to admit it. I don't fully understand why. They like to think of themselves as logical, rational, having a perfectly rational explanation for everything they stand by. They get embarassed when their irrationality gets revealed to them. Perhaps it implies a lack of self control.
The way I see it, for most humans it isn't all that important to strive to eliminate rationality and assert logic. The most successful people in history have all become successful not by suppressing emotional and irrationality, but rather by harnessing both emotion and rationality at the correct time and circumstance. And they challenged and pushed the boundaries of rationality.
If God exist, I don't think God would ever be understood completely.
Yes the irrationality of humans is something that bewilders and frustrates me.
Is it irrational to have a favourite colour..? I like green and yellow myself..(if i can have two..!.. hey wait, isn't that the springboks..? coincidence i assure you..!)
The furore of football seems irrational.. all that fuss surrounding kicking a ball about..a boys game elevated to patriotic like fervour and big business..
As life goes on i increasingly see the bizarre in what is considered ordinary.
Pure rationality can be limiting, as you imply.
I also consider that emotion and imagination can inspire and motivate human beings... help us to feel more connected, to regard each other compassionately, to enjoy beauty and mystery.
I guess rationality is what keeps us grounded,.. however my imagination wanders I ultimately examine its rationality before committing those ideas to logical acceptance.

I think we are agreed about the proposed nature of god, here..

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#18654 Jun 23, 2012
Buck Crick wrote:
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It's still infinite even after you take a bite.
The path just turns and goes the other way; then back again, repeatedly for infinity.
There is just no way a donut can cease to be infinite in length.
I've racked my brain on it.
Darwin's DickSuck and IAnus are right.
The Infinite Length Donut Theory stands.
Tell me, Buck, why do you feel the need to keep lying about what I have said? Does it fill some deep seated need for you? Or are you just a pathological liar and can't help yourself?

And tell me this...Just what does the "length of a donut" mean?

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#18655 Jun 23, 2012
Nontheist wrote:
<quoted text>((EDITED))So, I dunno, was he born an atheist?Or, was he not told he was a theist after he was born?You tell me.
.. as usual, awesome post Nontheist ..

.. hoping HFY & AIN will provide some insight regarding the brain's development ..

.. hoping Buck will give his input on the spiritual capacity of the young brain ..

.. would be an interesting debate ..

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#18656 Jun 23, 2012
madscot wrote:
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You were when you posted your gay sex fantasy.
.. how did you find our Topix thread ??..

.. who told you? HFY? River? Nymph ??..

.. please, don't let anyone else know ..

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#18657 Jun 23, 2012
Just Think wrote:
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If you view what I wrote as an insult, you either have a remarkably thin skin or you're just looking for a fight.
I was merely pointing out that the bible is vague and contradictory.
I think you meant it as an insult. If it bothered me I would have thin-skin, it didn't.

But jumping into a conversation to say this:

"So the bible is unclear, vague, AND contradicts itself?

Um...yeah..."

based on my post saying i think some verses are open to interpretation is looking to be congenial? If you say so.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#18658 Jun 23, 2012
IRYW wrote:
<quoted text>Wow, I had no idea you were as dense as bareass. Of course it wasn't an actual argument. It was sarcasm. Fallacy of equivocation; how can you not recognize it since it permeates your posts?
Buck has suffered from repeated head trauma in his life.

We should maybe cut him some slack. That tiny brain has a lot of room to slosh around in that overgrown skull.

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#18659 Jun 23, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
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Wow you sound like some Christians do when talking about gays. But I don't we need more people deciding things that are legal and guaranteed under the constitution should obliterated because you don't like them. Pretty ironic huh?
.. so, you support same-sex marriage ??..

.. good for you !!..

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#18660 Jun 23, 2012
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>My guess would be that other people have chewed things off to get away from him.
Coyote love?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#18661 Jun 23, 2012
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>I've saved two people from drowning, and one from a traffic wreck.

I figure that means that I can kill a coupla people and still be ahead of the game.
Hmmm...

Never thought of it that way.

“free your mind.”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#18662 Jun 23, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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Well, my point exactly. How do we KNOW that our suspect does have the information we need? How do we discern a good statement from a bad one? If you were to approach me with a chainsaw, bent on sawing off my limbs until I talked, I would blurt out *a* confession, plan, story or whatever. How will you know if it is usable?
As for mi familia - that's a personal matter. I will raise all sorts of hell if anyone of them are in peril.
Moral highground is an objective POV, not a subjective one, methinks
Yes. I was /am in agreement.
Although things like 'the greater good' and the 'right' thing to do are subjective, I would hope there would be a consensus on which human beings could agree , a 'high ground' as in ' ideal' to aspire to..
Keeping some simple rules or statements as its basis.
That 'it is wrong to kill or to cause deliberate harm to another'(including and in particular,torture)would be one.
'To respect another person's humanity' would be another.
So that even where circumstances arise which test these mandates to the limit and beyond, they should always be upheld as having preedence over other considerations ..
Where there are conflicting considerations, and action 'needs' to be taken contrary to this principle, it should never be seen as ok or right that one party has been harmed or murdered in the process..
..thats just me..

Since: Mar 09

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#18663 Jun 23, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. as usual, awesome post Nontheist ..
.. hoping HFY & AIN will provide some insight regarding the brain's development ..
.. hoping Buck will give his input on the spiritual capacity of the young brain ..
.. would be an interesting debate ..
I have seen two definitions for athesit. Some only have one like this site. The primary definition is:

atheist

noun
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheis...

Noun 1. atheist - someone who denies the existence of god
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist

That is an acquired position. By definition, or the one commonly assigned, someone would not be an atheist at birth. They wouldn't fit either definition of atheist or theist IMO.

Although I have seen some secondary definitions, can't remember what dictionary source off-hand, where it also says something like "lack of a belief in a deity". So I can see a basis for the argument but IMO the primary or only definition in most cases in the first and going by that one would have to conclude it is a learned belief.

(T) Peace

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#18664 Jun 23, 2012
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>Disbelief is to reject something as untrue.

You don't know what you're talking about.

How many ways do you wish to lose this argument?
One would be a start.

Let us know when you've found one.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#18665 Jun 23, 2012
IRYW wrote:
<quoted text>Do you refer to the third grade as your senior year?
If he'd made it that far...

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#18666 Jun 23, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
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Because when you die you are dead? The body dies on earth and the soul in hell. You are mad at a religion that doesn't save you from death even though you don't believe in life after death or the religion. That makes sense.
You are projecting. I could care less about your mythology, until you start shoving it in my face.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#18667 Jun 23, 2012
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>That's nice.

But nowhere does it say that inhaling water is drowning.

People inhale water, as in saliva, every day and do not drown.

This is the dumbest goddamned thread I have ever visited.
Inhale saliva?!

Really?!

How?

“free your mind.”

Since: Oct 10

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#18668 Jun 23, 2012
Buck Crick wrote:
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I would go ahead and saw a limb off of you, and see if you changed your story.
If you stood firm on it, then I'd go with it.
I really hope that you are joking..speaking for yourself personally.

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