Is Atheism a Religion?

Mar 11, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Volokh Conspiracy

At the Reason website, Kennedy , argues at length that atheism should be considered a religion: [W]hether you make sense of the world as an atheist and don't require the God postulate to complete your understanding, or you are a theist and your feelings and experiences tell you something greater is there, biologically speaking, that big blob of ... (more)

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Calling atheism a religion is like putting people in prison for NOT committing crimes.

How is NOT participating in the sexual mutilation of children a "crime"?(re: male and female "circumcision")

How is NOT calling for the murder of those you oppose (as christians, muslims and jews do) a call for violence?

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Calling atheism a religion is like saying NOT eating shit is a form of eating shit.

christianity is like eating sheep shit
islam is like eating camel shit
judaism is like eating gefilte fish shit
hinduism is like eating cow shit

Atheists don't eat shit. It's especially apt to say that since shit stinks, is unhealthy to eat and is disgusting even to look at.

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The Atheist believes in himself, he is his own god, the Atheist believes he is responsible for his own happiness and whatever decisions he makes and the consequences he pays for them, are by his own doing.

The Atheist can only blame you that is, someone else for the wickedness that is in this world, since he doesn't believe in a wicked spirit Devil or wicked spirit demons that influence and tempt people to do wicked things.

The Atheist is a person to be shamed, to believe that everything in existence just came about by chance is a true lie.

Charles Darwin has been proved he was wrong, and Atheists today are also proved they are wrong,
the life you are living is your gift from God, it is what you do with it that will judge you.

Matthew 25:46
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Christian Witness wrote:
The Atheist believes in himself, he is his own god, the Atheist believes he is responsible for his own happiness and whatever decisions he makes and the consequences he pays for them, are by his own doing.
Sounds fair to me. Are you scared of responsibility?
Christian Witness wrote:
The Atheist can only blame you that is, someone else for the wickedness that is in this world, since he doesn't believe in a wicked spirit Devil or wicked spirit demons that influence and tempt people to do wicked things.
Are you arguing against the concept of responsibility? It sure sounds that way.
Christian Witness wrote:
The Atheist is a person to be shamed, to believe that everything in existence just came about by chance is a true lie.
Yeah, how shameful to believe that things occurred naturally when we can invoke wizards and goblins instead.
Christian Witness wrote:
Charles Darwin has been proved he was wrong
False.
Christian Witness wrote:
and Atheists today are also proved they are wrong
Because we accept responsibility for our actions?
Christian Witness wrote:
the life you are living is your gift from God, it is what you do with it that will judge you.
Matthew 25:46
We will live our lives like mature adults and accept responsibility for our actions. You, on the other hand, will live like a six year-old and blame an imaginery boogeyman for your bad acts.
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Christian Witness wrote:
...Charles Darwin has been proved he was wrong...
So you could only believe in a Christian God if Charles Darwin (meaning evolutionary theory) is wrong?

Christians in general don't have any problem with evolution, I think. The Archbishop of Canterbury accepted the science supporting evolutionary theory as early as 1860.

Off Topic: I offer this link because I like the cartoon...
http://secularderby.org/

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(humour at the expense of religion)..
http://funnyatheism.com/

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Christian Witness wrote:
The Atheist believes in himself, he is his own god,
Yes I believe in myself. No I do not believe in a god I or otherwise.
Christian Witness wrote:
the Atheist believes he is responsible for his own happiness and whatever decisions he makes and the consequences he pays for them, are by his own doing.
Yes that is correct. You must not believe in responsibility.
Christian Witness wrote:
The Atheist can only blame you that is, someone else for the wickedness that is in this world, since he doesn't believe in a wicked spirit Devil or wicked spirit demons that influence and tempt people to do wicked things.
Yes I do blame people for their actions that cause harm and evil acts upon others.
Christian Witness wrote:
The Atheist is a person to be shamed, to believe that everything in existence just came about by chance is a true lie.
Hell no I am very secure and un-ashamed of my life. You should be ashamed of your life style that causes undue harm and brings hate upon others.
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Charles Darwin has been proved he was wrong, and Atheists today are also proved they are wrong,
the life you are living is your gift from God, it is what you do with it that will judge you.
Matthew 25:46
Show me the proof you state that you have.

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Christian Witness wrote:
The Atheist believes in himself, he is his own god, the Atheist believes he is responsible for his own happiness and whatever decisions he makes and the consequences he pays for them, are by his own doing.
The Atheist can only blame you that is, someone else for the wickedness that is in this world, since he doesn't believe in a wicked spirit Devil or wicked spirit demons that influence and tempt people to do wicked things.
The Atheist is a person to be shamed, to believe that everything in existence just came about by chance is a true lie.
Charles Darwin has been proved he was wrong, and Atheists today are also proved they are wrong,
the life you are living is your gift from God, it is what you do with it that will judge you.
Matthew 25:46
Christian Witness wrote: The Atheist believes in himself, he is his own god, the Atheist believes he is responsible for his own happiness and whatever decisions he makes and the consequences he pays for them, are by his own doing.
Reason Personified wrote: The Atheist does believe in himself, he sees no reason to believe that any god has ever existed. The Atheist believes he is responsible for his own happiness and whatever decisions he makes and the consequences he pays for them, are by his own doing. It is called taking responsibility.

Christian Witness wrote: The Atheist can only blame you that is, someone else for the wickedness that is in this world, since he doesn't believe in a wicked spirit Devil or wicked spirit demons that influence and tempt people to do wicked things.
Reason Personified wrote: The atheist blames the one who is committing the illegal, immoral or inhumane acts. The Christain passes the blame to some imaginary sky fairy or his equally imaginary henchmen.

Christian Witness wrote: The Atheist is a person to be shamed, to believe that everything in existence just came about by chance is a true lie.
Reason Personified wrote: You do realize that makes no sense at all?

Christian Witness wrote: Charles Darwin has been proved he was wrong, and Atheists today are also proved they are wrong,
Reason Personified wrote: Things change, that is what evolution is, a very slow change. Being atheist has nothing to do with evolution or Darwin. Proving the atheist to be wrong, will mean that the gods have been proven to be true. I've seen no sign of that.

Christian Witness wrote: the life you are living is your gift from God, it is what you do with it that will judge you.

Matthew 25:46
Reason Personified wrote: The life I am living is a direct result of my parents sexual activity.

Your silly and imaginary sky fairy, who would make parents eat their children will not be judging anyone. There are lines that rational people do not cross, one of those is a belief in the god who was bested by the iron chariot.

You, yourself do not believe it. You would like to, but you don't. The proof is in your life, you do not, and in fact almost no Christain lives the bible commands. If there is one, who does, he or she is doing, or very soon will be doing time.

Have you even, once tried to live as the bible directs? How many people have you stoned to death? I'd bet none, but it is commanded of you.

I do not believe that you know, no one who might wear mixed fibers. I do not believe that you have never seen, a willfully disobedient teenage brat child. You have haven't you? Yet you did not participate in the stoning to death of that child did you? No you didn't.

You are not living as you are biblically commanded to live. None of you are. If you were, we would know, you lot would make the news, continuously. You won't live it, but you are willing to try to scare us, into pretending that we are believers, who are not into living it either.
The real difference between you and the atheist, is our honesty.

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Christian Witness wrote:
The Atheist believes in himself, he is his own god, the Atheist believes he is responsible for his own happiness and whatever decisions he makes and the consequences he pays for them, are by his own doing.
The Atheist can only blame you that is, someone else for the wickedness that is in this world, since he doesn't believe in a wicked spirit Devil or wicked spirit demons that influence and tempt people to do wicked things.
The Atheist is a person to be shamed, to believe that everything in existence just came about by chance is a true lie.
Charles Darwin has been proved he was wrong, and Atheists today are also proved they are wrong,
the life you are living is your gift from God, it is what you do with it that will judge you.
Matthew 25:46
"The Atheist believes in himself"
Correct. I do believe I exist.
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"he is his own god"
Incorrect. Gods have supernatural power. I do not, nor do I believe in anyh god(s).
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"the Atheist believes he is responsible for his own happiness and whatever decisions he makes and the consequences he pays for them, are by his own doing."

That is correct. I do not shirk my responsibilies, nor do I blame an invisible sky-pixe.
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"The Atheist can only blame you that is, someone else for the wickedness that is in this world, since he doesn't believe in a wicked spirit Devil or wicked spirit demons that influence and tempt people to do wicked things."

Correct. I hold people responsible for their actions, not some make-believe boogeyman.

"The Atheist is a person to be shamed"
That IS the way your cult works.
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"to believe that everything in existence just came about by chance is a true lie."

Prove it.
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"Charles Darwin has been proved he was wrong"
No he hasn't been. That is a lie your cult is trying to spread. Fourtunatly, it's not working.
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"and Atheists today are also proved they are wrong"

Really? Prove your god is real. Until you do, he is nothing more then a myth, no different from any other myth throughout history.
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Atheism requires no active participation. It does not require reaffirmation on a daily basis. It has no influence on everyday decisions, or where my life is headed. Long ago I came to the decision that man created god, and I simply closed the door on all religious thought. Other than these silly threads, atheism never enters my mind.

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Atheism is no more a religion than theism, monotheism, or polytheism are religions.

However,lets look at theism more in depth. There is an aspect to theism that many people don't

I assert that essentially all deity beliefs, and the methods of worshiping those god(S), ie: religion, create a type or variation of racism. Call it a "divine racism", in which all are equal and equally loved by the god(S), unless, you don't worship whatever particular deity happens to be being worshiped. If you don't worship that deity, or belong to the, deity/religion, then you are suddenly less than those who do follow the practice. A practice based upon faith based beliefs that are no more substantial than waking up in the morning, looking at the sky and for whatever reason, you decide it will certainly and beyond a doubt rain that day.

This holy *club*, and I emphasize the usage of club on purpose, is then used to bludgeon those who don't worship that specific deity and even further, within the various flavors or denominations of the specific religion, even the followers of the deity will discriminate against, castigate, and openly despise adherents of those other denominations. Just look at the comments you see and hear from the members of Catholicism, Baptists, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, etc. Each against one another, each declaring a divine superiority, each boldly claiming that all others, not being a member of their holy club are most certainly going to die, because they and only they are members of the true method of worship that the deity prefers.

Each of those denominations being based upon the exact same book that the roughly 30,000 other denominations within Christianity also use. I've used Christianity to example this, but you can find the same types of, "divine racism", within Islam, Judaism, Hinduism and numerous other deity beliefs, methods of worship and practices. Within religion, the color of your skin matters very little, but the belief within the mind becomes the deciding factor for acceptance or rejection by the religious racists. A racism that encompasses the entire world. There is no tribe, border, or boundary involved here.

Then there is the heathen. The person who doesn't worship or have a deity belief at all. I've found that, suddenly, if you happen to fall into that category, those of different deity beliefs will at times find a common bond among themselves. Each of them(believers in different deities), suddenly find a unifying element, based on nothing more than, at the least, they do worship a deity. It doesn't matter if the deities are different they each worship,*at least they believe in one*. The non believer is at the bottom rung of divine racism. The holy clubs of the god(S) smite all heathens equally. I imagine that each deity will take it's turn in punishing the heathen in various ways, with various punishments. In order of popularity.

Woe to the heathens. The god(S) and adherents of the particular deity all are certain the heathen is the most reviled creature, all based upon the beliefs of the theist. A belief that is held and supported solely within the mind, that their deity swings the biggest club. If the deity doesn't swing that club(never), the believer will, because, the deity ~obviously~ has left it up to the believer to declare the heathen less than all others, since the deity is always preoccupied with some other task and relies upon the follower to decide what it means and intends. Additionally, if the follower does something wrong or not within the deity plan, no worries, all is forgiven by a ritual or some method that, again, the follower believes absolves them of wrong doing.

Which, brings up another thought, continued below.

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This relates to this mentality fostered within theism. The mentality that the believer is only responsible to the god(S) for whatever they do, whether in the name of the god, or not.

Ultimately, under most theistic beliefs you can only be good with the perfect gods help, and bad because of the trickster gods help. According to believers, we are incapable of no more or less without the intervention of the god(S).

The perfect god(S) and trickster god(S) are given credit for what we do all by ourselves.

This is a flawed and escapist sort of reasoning used by theists. They are able to avoid being truly accountable to their fellow man, and, depending on the circumstance, will claim a type of immunity by divine authority or forgiveness by that divinity, or claim being manipulated by the evil agent, expecting sympathy and leniency due to either circumstance.

Some, even being so bold as to not need to be absolved on any material level since they've been forgiven by the perfect god, and have no need of mans involvement at all.

It negates morals, even those morals claimed by the theist to have been given by the particular deity. A person, whether practicing the religion "correctly", or, "incorrectly", can obtain absolution at all times. No matter the circumstance.

Ultimately, within that framework of skewed theistic moral view and reponsibility, no one need ever know about crimes or transgressions. Those things can remain "dirty little secrets". That's not a good thing for societies. Or civilization.

That mentality is dangerous. It amounts to a person muttering under their breath a prayer of forgiveness to the ceiling fan whirring overhead and it's forgiven and forgotten. The ceiling fan will tell no one. The fans silence is it's acknowledgement of your prayer. You are forgiven.

After all, you're part of the club.

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((Opinion))

Religion means (The Way of life, and how to lead it)

So i think everyone should get to choose there religion and not be pressured or raised into it, should be raised with an open mind on all religions.
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CODEsapphire wrote:
((Opinion))
Religion means (The Way of life, and how to lead it)
So i think everyone should get to choose there religion and not be pressured or raised into it, should be raised with an open mind on all religions.
No, religion is superstition
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religi...

Religionists do not have a noteably different way of life. Nor do they lead 'better' lives.

Religion is as inherently harmful as superstition in general. Could people have flown into buildings on 9/11 or carried out 7/7 without superstitious religious beliefs in doing Allah's will and an afterlife? How does one oppose witchcraft or Islam while sustaining another superstition?

Religions are divisive and increasingly irrelevant. Better to accept that one should only believe anything so far as it can be justified by reason and evidence. That would seem to preclude 'acts of faith'.
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Religio- fear of the supernatural. That would exclude atheists.

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EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>No, religion is superstition
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religi...
Religionists do not have a noteably different way of life. Nor do they lead 'better' lives.
Religion is as inherently harmful as superstition in general. Could people have flown into buildings on 9/11 or carried out 7/7 without superstitious religious beliefs in doing Allah's will and an afterlife? How does one oppose witchcraft or Islam while sustaining another superstition?
Religions are divisive and increasingly irrelevant. Better to accept that one should only believe anything so far as it can be justified by reason and evidence. That would seem to preclude 'acts of faith'.
Reaserch the word all you want, it will still mean, a way of life, because it takes time out of a persons life, becomind at part of a persons life, there for being the way of life for that person, im a very open minded girl and yes im athiest but im not going to judge "beilevers" unless they judge me first, why would i start a fight over someones opinions? everyone has the right and freedom to them.
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The Atheist believes in himself, he is his own god, the Atheist believes he is responsible for his own happiness and whatever decisions he makes and the consequences he pays for them, are by his own doing.
The Atheist can only blame you that is, someone else for the wickedness that is in this world, since he doesn't believe in a wicked spirit Devil or wicked spirit demons that influence and tempt people to do wicked things.
The Atheist is a person to be shamed, to believe that everything in existence just came about by chance is a true lie.
Absolutely true. The atheist is an utter fool. Not that he is alone as many professing other religions basically do the same thing because they don't believe Scripture - but only claim to - and thus are practical atheists.

Just start with the 10 Commandments and see how many follow #'s 3 AND 4.

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And then you're supposed to have respect for other people's religions that don't believe Scripture. Ha!

Why should anybody have respect for your religion if your religion doesn't respect Scripture?

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yon wrote:
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Absolutely true. The atheist is an utter fool. Not that he is alone as many professing other religions basically do the same thing because they don't believe Scripture - but only claim to - and thus are practical atheists.
Just start with the 10 Commandments and see how many follow #'s 3 AND 4.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to be saying that anybody that doesn't believe what YOU believe, in the way YOU believe it, is an utter fool, yes?
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NO - it's everybody that doesn't believe Scripture!
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For Example - "Thou shall not commit adultery."

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NO - it's everybody that doesn't believe Scripture!
Hypothetical question…if somebody believes scripture, but interprets it a bit different than you, is that person an utter fool?

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