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Research subsequent to the time of Maulana Muhammad Ali has shown that she was older than this. An excellent short work presenting such evidence is the Urdu pamphlet Rukhsati kai waqt Sayyida Aisha Siddiqa ki umar (‘The age of Lady Aisha at the time of the start of her married life’) by Abu Tahir Irfani.[4a] Points 1 to 3 below have been brought to light in this pamphlet.
1. The famous classical historian of Islam, Ibn Jarir Tabari, wrote in his ‘History’:
“In the time before Islam, Abu Bakr married two women. The first was Fatila daughter of Abdul Uzza, from whom Abdullah and Asma were born. Then he married Umm Ruman, from whom Abdur Rahman and Aisha were born. These four were born before Islam.”[5]
Being born before Islam means being born before the Call.
2. The compiler of the famous Hadith collection Mishkat al-Masabih, Imam Wali-ud-Din Muhammad ibn Abdullah Al-Khatib, who died 700 years ago, has also written brief biographical notes on the narrators of Hadith reports. He writes under Asma, the older daughter of Abu Bakr:
“She was the sister of Aisha Siddiqa, wife of the Holy Prophet, and was ten years older than her.… In 73 A.H.… Asma died at the age of one hundred years.”[6]
(Go here to see an image of the full entry in Urdu.)
This would make Asma 28 years of age in 1 A.H., the year of the Hijra, thus making Aisha 18 years old in 1 A.H. So Aisha would be 19 years old at the time of the consummation of her marriage, and 14 or 15 years old at the time of her nikah. It would place her year of birth at four or five years before the Call.
3. The same statement is made by the famous classical commentator of the Holy Quran, Ibn Kathir, in his book Al-bidayya wal-nihaya:
“Asma died in 73 A.H. at the age of one hundred years. She was ten years older than her sister Aisha.”[7]
AISHA WAS ACTUALLY 19 YEARS OF AGE WHEN SHE CONSUMMATED MARRIAGE & 15 WHEN SHE ACTUALLY WAS MARRIED. THAT IS ACCORDING TO THIS RESEARCH.
ABSOLUTE B.S. Please stop with the taqiyya. I would be ashamed too if my only prophet did such horrid things. You will either have to face it or change the recored like you are attampting to do, but TRUTH can not be changed.
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#16706
May 17, 2008
 
MUSLIMS ARE IGNORANT wrote:
Why can't a christen practice their religion without fear of getting killed in Saudi Arabia another Islam country?
Can a Muslim answer this and please don't be stupid I will show evidence of Christians being killed in Saudi Arabia and other countries if I need to.
Thank You
P.S. I am an atheist so I have no regard to favor one religion over another except what I see it doing everyday.
I will tell you why the Muslims have to stop the Truth of the gospel of Christ..As it is written,'' And all ho desire to live Godly in Christ Jesus, will suffer persecution.'' They are fulfilling their own judgement for hell.
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May 17, 2008
 
That prophet who was to come;
Joh 12:44 ¶ Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me.
45 "And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me.
46 "I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness.
47 "And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.
48 "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him--the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
50 "And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak."
Jesus spoke the words of the Father God. How can they be changed? God will not allow His words to be changed. The gospel is not corrupted; Mt 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. The gospel is preached in the whole world now. That is why there are so many different translations. Jesus said it and it is happening. The Gospel is sure. God's words stand. Mohammad tried by Satan's power to eradicate the Gospel, but still it goes out into the whole world. Ro 1:16 ¶ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. God is not limmited to one language.
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May 17, 2008
 
Muslims put the prophet of Islam on a pedestal even though He committed every imaginable sin against humanity and God that Satan could bring him.
Every excuse is made to protect the vile deeds he committed. The worse sin against God was using his position to fulfill every fleshly lust of fallen man. To claim to be a Holy man of God, a prophet, and use that ministry to get whatever woman his penis longed for. To use his ministry to take his adopted son's wife, and to say Allah gave her to him. Allah made a mistake in giving her to Zaid first? Mohammad was shameless and had no self-control. If someone said anything against him he had them killed, Not so with Jesus and all the other prophets. None ever committed revenge killings. Jesus taught us to love our enemies and do them good. Mohammad did not obey Jesus, whom he said was his prophet? Mohammad had woman killed while she was nursing because she wrote a poem against him. He was very immature and selfish in all his conduct. He had an old man of 120 killed , same reason.
Mohammad gave Satan's words as God's., I asked God,''What sin did he dot commit.'' He never answered me yet. I guess He is still trying to figure it out Himself.
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May 17, 2008
 
Islam's pagan roots;
The Pagan deities best known in the Kaba and round about Mecca were Lat,‘Uzza, and Manat.(Manat was also known round Yathrib, which afterwards became Medina.) See liii. 19-20. They were all female goddesses. Lat almost certainly represents another wave of sun-worship; the sun being feminine in Arabic and in Semitic languages generally. "Lat" may be the original of the Greek "Leto", the mother of Apollos the sun-god (Encyclopedia of Islam, I, p. 380). If so, the name was brought in prehistoric times from South Arabia by the great Incense Route (n. 3816 to xxxiv. 18) to the Mediterranean.‘Uzza probably represents the planet Venus. The origin of Manat is not quite clear, but it would not be surprising if it also turned to be astral. The 360 idols established by the Pagans probably represented the 360 days of an inaccurate solar year. This was the actual "modern" Pagan worship as known to the Quraysh contemporary with our Prophet…(Yusuf Ali, The Holy Qur’an: Translation and Commentary, Appendix XIII. Ancient Forms of Pagan Worship, pp. 1620-1622; bold and underline emphasis ours)
{Sidenote: If Ali is correct that Allat represents the sun then one wonders what did Allah represent (i.e. perhaps the moon)? As one professor noted regarding the phrase ilah, from which Allah originates:
The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God, but early in Arabian history the name became a general term for god, and it was this name that the Hebrews used prominently in their personal names, such as Emanu-el, Israel, etc., rather than the Ba'al of the northern Semites proper, which was the Sun. Similarly, under Mohammed's tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah BECAME Al-Ilah, The God, or Allah, the Supreme Being.(C. S. Coon, "Southern Arabia, A Problem For The Future", Papers Of The Peabody Museum Of American Archaeology And Ethnology, 1943, Volume 20, p. 195; capital and underline emphasis ours)
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May 17, 2008
 
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Why should Jesus die for human beings sins? Everyone has to live with their own sins if that was the case then every Christian should sin as much as possible because at the end Jesus will so-called wipe away the sins, where is the test in life when are answers are already given! How ridiculous.
How much sin do you think God will allow into His Holy Kingdom? He who can not even look on one sin, If God's kingdom allows even one sin there, then He is not Holy. He cast Adam out for only one. will He allow more? Jesus who never sinned, died to pay the sin debt for us. The wages of sin is death. Jesus overcame death by His power In His resurrection. That is so we can also after we die. By the same Spirit, that raised Him, we who receive Him as savior and receive His same Spirit. That is the only way to be saved. Jesus paid the penalty of sin to uphold God's perfect law. It is a legal matter. God does not just arbitrarily give laws with no justice.
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May 17, 2008
 
Il Principe wrote:
Most muslims have admitted several times that aischa was nine years old when good old moham had sex with her....all of a sudden she is 19 years old....I wonder why....typical islamic liars.
Can you really blame them . It is such a shame they have to cover up his child molestations, instead of loving truth and saying he is a pervert and sexual deviant, order to keep their shallow religion. There is no limit to their suppressing truth. Mohammad also took his adopted son's wife. They argue she was divorced when he married her, trying to cover the fact that Mohammad lusted after her while she was still married. Would they wany any man lusting for their wife? Then calling him a holy prophet of God, makes it all so shocking. Prophets were always the example, not the exception.
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May 17, 2008
 
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Now thats your biggest problem...where did you come from without a creator?One who know no God how will he know himself...
Your God Is Fake!! Who created the heavens,earth and the universe?? 2+4+2= is 6 ?? In your Demonic KKKoran is 8(eight) The "True God" of the Holy Bible is Accurately 6 and in the 7th day He Rested!!

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May 17, 2008
 
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Now thats your biggest problem...where did you come from without a creator?One who know no God how will he know himself...
That would be mom and pop. Who are still alive and still married to each other.
Some of us just don't need that little crutch called religion. Don't have probs with people that need that little crutch, just with people who say theirs is the only crutch.

There are many roads to reach your destination, pity the traveler who says his is the only way.
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May 17, 2008
 
Mo with Aysha wrote:
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Your God Is Fake!! Who created the heavens,earth and the universe?? 2+4+2= is 6 ?? In your Demonic KKKoran is 8(eight) The "True God" of the Holy Bible is Accurately 6 and in the 7th day He Rested!!
Come on God doesnt need rest He is God

In the name of Allah the Most Merciful, and Compassionate Allah

There is no god but He,
The Living, the Everlasting,
Slumber seizes Him not, neither sleep,
To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth.
Who is there that can intercede with His, except by His leave?
He knows what lies before them and what is after them,
And they comprehend not anything of His Knowledge save as He wills.
His throne comprises the heavens and the earth,
The preserving of them fatigues Him not,
And He is the All-High, All-Glorious.

[Al-Quran: Surat al-Baqarah, Ayah 255]

By the way whats thats koran you are talking about? we agree with you God created the earth in 6 days where did you get 8. plus I think I told you this before but the difference is that to you God rested but to us its like what you read above..
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May 17, 2008
 
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Can you really blame them . It is such a shame they have to cover up his child molestations, instead of loving truth and saying he is a pervert and sexual deviant, order to keep their shallow religion. There is no limit to their suppressing truth. Mohammad also took his adopted son's wife. They argue she was divorced when he married her, trying to cover the fact that Mohammad lusted after her while she was still married. Would they wany any man lusting for their wife? Then calling him a holy prophet of God, makes it all so shocking. Prophets were always the example, not the exception.
Very true
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That would be mom and pop. Who are still alive and still married to each other.
Some of us just don't need that little crutch called religion. Don't have probs with people that need that little crutch, just with people who say theirs is the only crutch.
There are many roads to reach your destination, pity the traveler who says his is the only way.
You are pathetic I dont blame you maybe one day you will see the truth because you have no religion really I pity you...Dont listen to us nor to others try to find the answers and the right path on your own...

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You are pathetic I dont blame you maybe one day you will see the truth because you have no religion really I pity you...Dont listen to us nor to others try to find the answers and the right path on your own...
It is a shame that you have such little confidence in your own abilities that you need some deity to find your answer or your own right path.

It is a shame that you need someone to show you how to be a decent and kind human being.

It is a shame that the people you do listen too continue to say the same old thing, said for thousands of years, by the same old tired shaman.

Listen to me, for it is the only way you will achieve salvation.

I am the only way.

There is no other way but my way.

The best quote is "my way or the highway".

Basically it means the same thing.

Lost people with no way of figuring out how they got in their predicament and hoping that someone, anyone will get their sorry butts out of it.

Jeez, you are one of the pathetic excuses for a so called rational being on this planet.

I do blame you, you have a brain (technically)
and refuse to use, demanding answers you are to lazy to figure out for yourself.

You may as well be a dog, hoping your master will take care of you.

SO, take care fido, hope you find a good master.
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Come on God doesnt need rest He is God
In the name of Allah the Most Merciful, and Compassionate Allah
There is no god but He,
The Living, the Everlasting,
Slumber seizes Him not, neither sleep,
To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth.
Who is there that can intercede with His, except by His leave?
He knows what lies before them and what is after them,
And they comprehend not anything of His Knowledge save as He wills.
His throne comprises the heavens and the earth,
The preserving of them fatigues Him not,
And He is the All-High, All-Glorious.
[Al-Quran: Surat al-Baqarah, Ayah 255]
By the way whats thats koran you are talking about? we agree with you God created the earth in 6 days where did you get 8. plus I think I told you this before but the difference is that to you God rested but to us its like what you read above..
And where i Get 8?? here Read this carefully!! And No excuses !!

In Your Demonic Koran Said??! Double check it before you RANT will you!!Pagan!

SURA 41:9- Is it that ye Deny him Who Created the earth in TWO (2) days?...

SURA 41:10- He Set on the (Earth). Mountains Standing firm,high abve it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measured therein in all tghings to give them NOURISHMENT in due Proportion, FOUR (4) days...

SURA 41:12- So HE Completed them as Seven firmanents in TWO (2) days and...

Do the Simple Math (Addition)

2 (for the earth)+ 4 (for nourishment)+ 2(for the
heavens= 8 NOT 6 Again!! again!!
2+4+2= 8 See??! Do it your self!! Your FAKE GOD is "ILLITERATE"!!!!! Looooolllll!!
The "TRUE GOD of the BIBLE" accurately Said It is 6 !!! NOT 8 !!! Why The Demonic KKKoran CAN'T Copy The BIBLE Corrrectly?? WHY??? Its Because your GOD IS FAKE!!!
Allaaaaahh AllahallaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahShit! is Fake!!
So What is Your Alibi? Your "Lunatic" Calendar is Wrong OR correct? That's Gonnabe your Excuse Or to find a reliable Source from Your Insane IMAM!

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May 17, 2008
 
may 28th 2008 unprecedented events will begin to take place, and my wrath will commence upon the earth for all have been unfaithful all have sinned, yet i will show mercy to those who i have promised through my son, yet for all who have denounced my son and for all who have turned away, i will send my angels upon the earth to bring about earthquakes,hurric ans,war,economic disaster,plagues,f amine,hail and fire will rain down upon mankind, warn all the peoples tell them the day of the lords wrath is near, warn them to turn to the lord and be saved, warn them that the time is short, yet remember i am merciful and will forgive all who truly repent and turn to my son to be saved, the final birth pains are about to commence, repent and be saved and pray that the time of wrath will be short, for a time of unrest and terror never before seen in the world is about to be unleashed upon the world, for the sins of mankind have reached their fullness and the gospel has been proclaimed to all peoples, there can be no more excuses the time his here the tribulation is upon us, this is the word of God these words are trust worthy and true and given to me by God, through inspiration and vision, i will not respond again, but will say only one more thing that Babylon who all the nations have prostituted themselves with will fall, the anti christ who is alive and on the world stage will begin his rise to power as head of the new roman empire and israel will once again be the main stage for world conflict, may christ rest in you all and may God show mercy on us all, the miserable offenders we are, God give us strength in the coming times until Christ comes to takes us to be with him, maranthana, come lord jesus come

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May 17, 2008
 
dear god i pray that people read this and warn othersabout what is to take place, in christs name i pray

God spoke to me over ten days ago and told me what was to happen in the world he told me of the strong winds that would cause devastation and flooding and the shaking of the earth that would cause death and devastation, i wrote these things down yet i told no one and as they unfolded and i watched them on the news the cyclone in burma and the earthquake in china, my heart went out to all those affected and i realised i should have spoken out that god was showing me things that were to happen and i should have warned people about what is to come

Glory to God in the highest he has shown me again what is to happen and this time i will try and get the message out there, so please i pray take head to this message and give glory to God
on may 28th 2008 there will be a violent earthquake that will shake america to its core, the epi-centre will be in california, it will trigger a volcanic eruption in yellowstone park, spewing molten rock,ash and smoke high into the air. for God's sake do not send your children to school this day..please
in the atlantic and pacific oceans earthquakes will strike sending devastating tsunamis towards the coastlines, volcanoes will erupt around the world spewing fire and smoke high into the air, fierce storms will batter britain and europe with high winds and hail causing devastation.
the effects of all this will be so devastating that it will send the world economy into chaos, causing a worldwide crash, wars will break out,there will be famine,plagues and pestlence on a world wide scale, with food shortages and oil shortages devastating the western world.

this is but the begining of the woes that will signal in the begining of the tribulation, may God have mercy upon our souls, give glory to god for his judgements are true and just...turn to christ and be saved, for God is loving and true giving to us his only son Jesus Christ to be our salvation, now is the time to turn towards him not away, do not dismiss Gods precious gift of salvation in his son anymore, God wants us all to be saved, may god give us strength and courage in the times to come and let us seek refuge in Christ our lord till he comes, Glory to God in the highest..Amen
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May 17, 2008
 
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dear god i pray that people read this and warn othersabout what is to take place, in christs name i pray
God spoke to me over ten days ago and told me what was to happen in the world he told me of the strong winds that would cause devastation and flooding and the shaking of the earth that would cause death and devastation, i wrote these things down yet i told no one and as they unfolded and i watched them on the news the cyclone in burma and the earthquake in china, my heart went out to all those affected and i realised i should have spoken out that god was showing me things that were to happen and i should have warned people about what is to come
Glory to God in the highest he has shown me again what is to happen and this time i will try and get the message out there, so please i pray take head to this message and give glory to God
on may 28th 2008 there will be a violent earthquake that will shake america to its core, the epi-centre will be in california, it will trigger a volcanic eruption in yellowstone park, spewing molten rock,ash and smoke high into the air. for God's sake do not send your children to school this day..please
in the atlantic and pacific oceans earthquakes will strike sending devastating tsunamis towards the coastlines, volcanoes will erupt around the world spewing fire and smoke high into the air, fierce storms will batter britain and europe with high winds and hail causing devastation.
the effects of all this will be so devastating that it will send the world economy into chaos, causing a worldwide crash, wars will break out,there will be famine,plagues and pestlence on a world wide scale, with food shortages and oil shortages devastating the western world.
this is but the begining of the woes that will signal in the begining of the tribulation, may God have mercy upon our souls, give glory to god for his judgements are true and just...turn to christ and be saved, for God is loving and true giving to us his only son Jesus Christ to be our salvation, now is the time to turn towards him not away, do not dismiss Gods precious gift of salvation in his son anymore, God wants us all to be saved, may god give us strength and courage in the times to come and let us seek refuge in Christ our lord till he comes, Glory to God in the highest..Amen

We know that the tribulation will not begin until that amn of sin is revealed, What you are saying is judgements starting on the worls's scene. They have started and will increase. You have seen part. God is showing in many ways what you are saying. People are going insane now, what will it be like? I want to e-mail you How?
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May 17, 2008
 
just me wrote:
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Come on God doesnt need rest He is God
In the name of Allah the Most Merciful, and Compassionate Allah
There is no god but He,
The Living, the Everlasting,
Slumber seizes Him not, neither sleep,
To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth.
Who is there that can intercede with His, except by His leave?
He knows what lies before them and what is after them,
And they comprehend not anything of His Knowledge save as He wills.
His throne comprises the heavens and the earth,
The preserving of them fatigues Him not,
And He is the All-High, All-Glorious.
[Al-Quran: Surat al-Baqarah, Ayah 255]
By the way whats thats koran you are talking about? we agree with you God created the earth in 6 days where did you get 8. plus I think I told you this before but the difference is that to you God rested but to us its like what you read above..
'Come on God doesnt need rest He is God'-just me

I think it is misunderstanding of rest.
It does not mean tired.

Think abstain.

Think finished.

To rest with, to be in the power of; to depend upon; as, it rests with him to decide.

To lean in confidence; to trust; to rely; to repose without anxiety; as, to rest on a man's promise.

Modern i.e.'I rest my case.''I am finished.'

A state of quiet or repose; a cessation from motion or labor; tranquillity; as, rest from mental exertion; rest of body or mind. Chaucer. "Sleep give thee all his rest!"

Notice the difference between tired and rest.

Rest finished satisfied

'And the land had rest fourscore years.'

You are confusing rest and respose.

Don't feel bad so do most Americans.

Rest, Repose.

Rest is a ceasing from labor or exertion, peace of mind or spirit, something that remains over

Repose is a mode of resting which gives relief and refreshment (after toil and labor.)

People today have a hard time reading Shakespeare for the same reason, word usage changes

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'Come on God doesnt need rest He is God'-just me
I think it is misunderstanding of rest.
It does not mean tired.
Think abstain.
Think finished.
To rest with, to be in the power of; to depend upon; as, it rests with him to decide.
To lean in confidence; to trust; to rely; to repose without anxiety; as, to rest on a man's promise.
Modern i.e.'I rest my case.''I am finished.'
A state of quiet or repose; a cessation from motion or labor; tranquillity; as, rest from mental exertion; rest of body or mind. Chaucer. "Sleep give thee all his rest!"
Notice the difference between tired and rest.
Rest finished satisfied
'And the land had rest fourscore years.'
You are confusing rest and respose.
Don't feel bad so do most Americans.
Rest, Repose.
Rest is a ceasing from labor or exertion, peace of mind or spirit, something that remains over
Repose is a mode of resting which gives relief and refreshment (after toil and labor.)
People today have a hard time reading Shakespeare for the same reason, word usage changes
Excellent Response!! We Can't EXPECT the Musie sheetheads !! to Understand a "Simple English"!! these Mussie "HAD a Very Shallow IQ of Reasoning" a Double Zero IQ of reasoning "that Made their Brain" So "Rusty" that needs a Christian "Psychiatrist" to Repair it !! What they "Know" is to yell?? Alalalalalalalalalalahshit! is Fake !! Poor Mussie Losers!!! So Desperate!! to response an "Invented DULL Comments"!!

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May 18, 2008
 
the anti-christ who is alive in the world at this very moment is a prominent figure within the european union, the beast from the sea, he is biding his time until the time of chaos which is about to come upon the world has begun, the roman empire will be reformed with its new name the european union and he will take advantage of america's fall from its lofty position as the worlds policeman and economic and world leader and bring about a healing towards its ally, after the rapture of Gods church in christ, and what is seemed as the churches death, the church will be brought back to life again by the hand of the anti christ the first beast and this will be the new world church of its age, the beast from the earth, and will usher in the one world religion, it will even take on the guise of the lamb and speak words that fool and decieve everybody other than Gods elect, during this period the anti-christ will set up a one world goverment,a one world economy and one world religion and his head quarters will be the new babylon, only those who take upon themselves the mark of the beast 666, can buy or sell, the number is significant in many ways as 6 is mans number and 3 is gods number, man thinking he is God, as well as implanting genetic barcodes into all people, as a means of controlling all economic transactions, the bar code beginning with 6, its middle bar 6 and its end bar 6, all this things are soon to happen, so please in Christ's name and by the mercy and grace of God, turn to his son our saviour Jesus christ and be saved, do not be fooled by this world and its idols, let the Glory be Gods in the highest in Christ's name i pray amen
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