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abraham Bronowski

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<quoted text>Hey DENGBAT Moron. What I don't like is the continued bashing of Israel that you clowns love to do. You're all a bunch of crazed Muslims with nothing better to do than to use your childish mentality to demean the ONLY country in the Middle East that doesn’t take OUR Foreign Aid and bank the money in private accounts while their people suffer (Remember Arafat??), support terrorists, harbor terrorists, buy arms for terrorists or use it for building Mosques as they incite hatred toward the good old USA. The outright lies, distortions and propaganda are what I'm going after. When Israel attacks Hamas it is retaliation for attacks on them dummy!! Hamas used women and children as human shields. So when Women and children die, you clowns start foaming at the mouth!! They only Attack HAMAS or those responsible for suicide and rocket attack on Israel Dummy!! Israel does not attack for no reason and never has. It is only after they have been provoked!! Learn your History and stop making yourself look like a fool!! The Arabs have muddied the world for decades with their furious protest that their land has been “stolen” from them. One might take seriously such a statement if it came from a pacifist people such as the Tibetans, who had quietly inhabited their land for ages before it was seized by the Communist Chinese in 1950. The claim is laughable coming from the Arabs, who in the early Middle Ages conquered and reduced to slavery and penury ancient peoples and civilizations stretching from the borders of Persia to the Atlantic; who in 1947 rejected an Arab state in Palestine alongside a Jewish state and sought to obliterate the nascent Jewish state; who never called for a distinct Palestinian Arab state until the creation of the terrorist PLO in 1964—sixteen years after the founding of the state of Israel; and who to this moment continue to seek Israel’s destruction, an object that would be enormously advanced by the creation of the Arab state they demand. The Arab claim to sovereign rights west of the Jordan is only humored today because of a fatal combination of world need for Arab oil, leftist Political Correctness that has cast the Israelis as “oppressors,” and, of course, good old Jew-hatred.
yes, you are right
another point, however, which is often missed out, is the fact that the whole "re-instating" of Israel anyway, had little to do with the "everyday Jew" who went to Israel after the second world war and were actually quite innocent of what was happening then -it was not those Jews whoe were responsible for the re-instaing of Israel but, in fact, and english man known as Balfour, an english politician who was responsible for a declaration that Israel was to be "re-instated", after the second world war after the second world war, the british pulled-out of Israel and left "defensless" Jews to fight a whole armed force of arabs who were shocked at the sudden emergence of Israel(additionally, briths soldiers even shot many innocent civillian Jews who were attempting to arrive in Israel, which was "promised" to them from the british) Before "1947", Jews and Muslims did not fight each other and, generally, there was a good rapor between them
Now, thanks to the british the Israelis and Muslims are at each others throats and both side have now forgotton what actually happened in "1947" in the first place and are convinced that they should "hate" each other
abraham Bronowski

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Irascible Infidel wrote:
The US hasn't tested a tactical nuclear weapon in over 30yrs.
The mid-east would look nice,
all coated in glass.
Then we could go and get our damn oil.
yes, you have a point, but you know what?, perhaps they should take the oil, better that the u.s has the economic control of the world, than Islamic extremists
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abraham Bronowski wrote:
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you are right about the zionists, but you are wron about the segregation in Israel
The segreagtion in Israel has absolutely nothing to do with apartheid, of racism -in s. africa apartheid existed as the non-black peoples thereof considered the "blacks" to be "inferior" and they were racist towards them
In Israel, the segregation is there not becaouse of racsism, but for security measures
What do you honestly expect people to do when their country is in such large scale threat?In Israel, palastinans can exist with the Israelis but not if they keep on attaacking
Your claim is false. White South Africans repeatedly said that apartheid was necessary for security reasons. The Israelis and White South Africans share the same attitudes and propaganda and ideology. Zionism is apartheid, as most South Africans who lived under apartheid know.
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abraham Bronowski wrote:
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yes, you have a point, but you know what?, perhaps they should take the oil, better that the u.s has the economic control of the world, than Islamic extremists
Ah, you are justifying theft. The criminal mind can justify any crime. "They should take the oil" = stealing what belongs to others is fine, in your universe. Zionism = criminal ideology
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I will have to go with Ezdid on this one. The idea of the UN is sound...it is the veto and lack of a military force that lends the UN to mediocraty. It can be fixed, but it will take western countries to actually "give up" thier control of the rest of the world.
The UN is the main vehicle for colonialism today. The UN legitimizes western aggression and crimes against humanity. Other institutions and laws set up for regulation and governance, including the International Criminal Court, the Non-Proliferation Treaty and the IAEA are used exclusively to attack countries targeted by America and the west. Dictators are given legitimacy and the club of dictators, the Arab League, are presented as credible voices when they represent dictators against democratic voices in their own countries. Coupled with the WTO, GATT and GATS and "free trade" agreements, the UN has paved the way for the real power and hegemony in the world, corporate rule. Nation states are now controlled by corporations. The opponents to corporate rule is democratic institutions. Superficially, the UN might appear to be a democratic way of representing the world, but the UN is nothing more than a colonial institutions under corporate control, because the member states are under corporate control, or mafia style dictatorships. The more the nation state is weakened and the further that decision-making is removed, with layering, from the ordinary people, the more that decision-making becomes alienated from any oversight and citizens are shut out.
American funding of the UN has been used to sway policy and decision-making, with exceptions proving the rule. By signing onto UN projects, national sovereignty is given up to bureaucrats, many of whom aspire to lucrative teaching, lecturing and lobbying jobs in Europe and the US when their tenure at the UN comes to an end. Secretaries-general of the UN demonstrate this.
Whatever good the UN might achieve is undermined by the negatives.
The League of Nations failed and was replaced. The UN has failed and needs to be replaced. Now is a good time to abandon the UN.

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Aliroger1 wrote:
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The UN is the main vehicle for colonialism today. The UN legitimizes western aggression and crimes against humanity. Other institutions and laws set up for regulation and governance, including the International Criminal Court, the Non-Proliferation Treaty and the IAEA are used exclusively to attack countries targeted by America and the west. Dictators are given legitimacy and the club of dictators, the Arab League, are presented as credible voices when they represent dictators against democratic voices in their own countries. Coupled with the WTO, GATT and GATS and "free trade" agreements, the UN has paved the way for the real power and hegemony in the world, corporate rule. Nation states are now controlled by corporations. The opponents to corporate rule is democratic institutions. Superficially, the UN might appear to be a democratic way of representing the world, but the UN is nothing more than a colonial institutions under corporate control, because the member states are under corporate control, or mafia style dictatorships. The more the nation state is weakened and the further that decision-making is removed, with layering, from the ordinary people, the more that decision-making becomes alienated from any oversight and citizens are shut out.
American funding of the UN has been used to sway policy and decision-making, with exceptions proving the rule. By signing onto UN projects, national sovereignty is given up to bureaucrats, many of whom aspire to lucrative teaching, lecturing and lobbying jobs in Europe and the US when their tenure at the UN comes to an end. Secretaries-general of the UN demonstrate this.
Whatever good the UN might achieve is undermined by the negatives.
The League of Nations failed and was replaced. The UN has failed and needs to be replaced. Now is a good time to abandon the UN.
You claim that virtually every institution and government except Iran should be overthrown to accommodate your utopian view of Islam. In truth it is radical Islam that is not sustainable; the rest of the world will survive.
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abraham Bronowski wrote:
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you are right about the zionists, but you are wron about the segregation in Israel
The segreagtion in Israel has absolutely nothing to do with apartheid, of racism -in s. africa apartheid existed as the non-black peoples thereof considered the "blacks" to be "inferior" and they were racist towards them
In Israel, the segregation is there not becaouse of racsism, but for security measures
What do you honestly expect people to do when their country is in such large scale threat?In Israel, palastinans can exist with the Israelis but not if they keep on attaacking
The Arab-Israelis are second class citizens in Israel...those under the occupation are nothing less than animals to the Israeli government...and really, if Israel actaully wanted to end the resistance all they have to do is end the occupation.
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Aliroger1 wrote:
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The UN is the main vehicle for colonialism today. The UN legitimizes western aggression and crimes against humanity. Other institutions and laws set up for regulation and governance, including the International Criminal Court, the Non-Proliferation Treaty and the IAEA are used exclusively to attack countries targeted by America and the west. Dictators are given legitimacy and the club of dictators, the Arab League, are presented as credible voices when they represent dictators against democratic voices in their own countries. Coupled with the WTO, GATT and GATS and "free trade" agreements, the UN has paved the way for the real power and hegemony in the world, corporate rule. Nation states are now controlled by corporations. The opponents to corporate rule is democratic institutions. Superficially, the UN might appear to be a democratic way of representing the world, but the UN is nothing more than a colonial institutions under corporate control, because the member states are under corporate control, or mafia style dictatorships. The more the nation state is weakened and the further that decision-making is removed, with layering, from the ordinary people, the more that decision-making becomes alienated from any oversight and citizens are shut out.
American funding of the UN has been used to sway policy and decision-making, with exceptions proving the rule. By signing onto UN projects, national sovereignty is given up to bureaucrats, many of whom aspire to lucrative teaching, lecturing and lobbying jobs in Europe and the US when their tenure at the UN comes to an end. Secretaries-general of the UN demonstrate this.
Whatever good the UN might achieve is undermined by the negatives.
The League of Nations failed and was replaced. The UN has failed and needs to be replaced. Now is a good time to abandon the UN.
I agree..and the reason it has become a tool of western imperialism is becasue of the veto, and a lack of "teeth" (so to speak). If the security coucil actually had to go with what the majority want without worrying about and American or Russian or Chincese veto, the world would look much different. If teh UN actually had a military force to back up what the world wants..it could work.
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with a name like "palestinebleeds" you might just skip me without caring about what i am about to say. Not all Palestinians are antisemitic. It's only the ones that are kind of confused on the situation. if you think we hate Jews, we don't. we're believe in antiZIONISM, not antiSEMITISM. if you haven't seen what the Israeli's are doing to the Palestinians, you have no right to tell us that we're terrorists, stupid Muslims, or even that our country was never a country. Because look at some old maps. pre-1967 maybe? or even pre-1948. because, as a Palestinian, i still try to see the situation from the other point of view. still trying my best not to bias to Palestine, but I really only see the pain leaking from 5-year-old Palestinian children's eyes.

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