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Feb 12, 2012
 
All Gods R One Jst Lyk GEETA
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Feb 13, 2012
 
Skeptic wrote:
The Spirit of God does not change.
God is one in nature but in that one God there are three distinct Persons, the Father, who proceeds from no one, the Son who proceeds from the Father by generation, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds from the Father and the Son as from one principle by spiration.

Each Person is distinct from the other, yet each Person is identical with the divine substance. Hence, the three Persons are equal and to each belong all the divine attributes. Since the three Persons each possess the one divine nature they are said to be consubstantial yet each of the three Persons is really distinct one from the other since each has a distinct mode of possessing the divine nature, and their distinction one from the other is based on relation of origin.
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Thanks for trying to explain Trinity to me in plain language!!

Have you ever pondered over what you have written? Does it make any sense?

And what are the proofs for all this? Did jesus said any of these things?

How can you propose your own theories and then implicate Jesus into it?
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Feb 13, 2012
 
Chuy wrote:
"MUQ" you do not believe in the trinity of the One Merciful God . There are very many aspects of God , which we cannot fully comprehend or explain . He is too great , and our minds too limited .

As for the images of Christ all can be used and venerated . God was a child and then a Man .
I wish to apologize for comparing Muhammad to Jesus ..that was unfair .
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1. How can I believe in Trinity, when NONE of the prophets of God believed in it? The name itself is not mentioned in any scripture of the world!! Even Jesus never heard that name thru out his life!!

So I am on firmer ground in rejecting Trinity than you who are so much attracted to it.

02. You are right there are many things about God which are beyond the capability of our minds, but that does not give us a right to propose theories from ourselves and then stick them to God.

We should not say anything about God, His personality and His attributes, except what He Himself reveals to His Prophets. This is the safest way and free from any potholes.

03. God was a Child, then became a Man, then became on old man and then died….. did you ever think what you just wrote? That is what happens when you try to put human logic on God!!

04. There was nothing wrong to compare our prophet with Jesus, both were honored prophets of God and ones who preached the same message of Unity and Worship of true God of the Universe.

But their roles were different on this earth and this is very natural.
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Feb 13, 2012
 
SF wrote:
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THAT'S ALL RUBBISH, MUQ !!

The Bhagwad Geeta is the gist of all the Vedas, Upanishads, etc. For Hindus, it is like what the Bible is for the Christians and Quran for the muslims.

In the Geeta, Lord Krishna says "People Worship Me in Different Forms".
Further, the Geeta accepts worship of different deities (who are created by Krishna),appearance of God in the Human Form on earth, reincarnation, etc.
DO REFER TO THE BHAGWAD GEETA FOR MORE DETAILS.

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The muslims have attacked non-muslims in faraway lands (Sindh, Spain, etc), when the non-muslims had nothing to do with the muslims.

PLEASE ASCERTAIN FACTS BEFORE WRITING !

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@ MUQ

Non-muslims do not believe in Islam, because the Quran is NOT the word of God ! I'll tell you why.

When I was reading the Quran, I observed on 3 occasions, whenever Muhammad was in a tricky situation because of his misdeeds, miraculously on each occasion the following morning Muhammad claimed a verse had been revealed by Allah which absolved him from his misdeed !

The 3 occasions were:-





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THE RENOWNED EX-MUSLIM, ANWAR SHAIKH, OF CARDIFF, WALES, U.K.

The late Anwar Shaikh has explained that in Quran 33.56,

ALLAH & HIS ANGELS PRAY PEACE TO MUHAMMAD ....

In Arabic "pray peace" means the same as "worship"

In other words, Allah and his angels worship Muhammad !! CAN YOU IMAGINE GOD WORSHIPING HIS PROPHET ?..

( NOW TELL ME, WHICH GOD WILL WORSHIP HIS OWN FOLLOWER ?

THINK, MUQ, THINK !!

The quicker you come out of Islam, the better !
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1. You can praise your own book and I do not find a fault with it. First of all you have to prove that how Gita was revealed and who wrote it and how did it reach us in its present form.

Just making claims will not suffice and who gave Gita its top position in Hindu scripture? From what I know, it is Vedas who hold the uppermost position amongst Hindu Scriptures. How can Gita supersede Vedas?

2. And what you have told about our prophet tells about what type of dirty mouth you have. It is strange that people in your frame of mind speak about truth and justice and religion.

One who cannot show respect and talk coherently when speaking of a prophet of God.

3. Anyone who thinks that Muslims worship Prophet Mohammad, they should perhaps listen to the call of prayer which is said aloud five times a day, from millions of mosques all round the earth.

When the things are so clearly spelt out, how strange is for people to refer to this scholar or that scholar and try to spin their own web.
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Feb 13, 2012
 
islam the real evil wrote:
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we hindus dont want muslim's certificate to decide birth place of our god.we will conduct our religious affairs as per our beliefs .
otherwise can i ask u what was the name of winged horse which took ur prophet to heaven?????
anybody who asks such ques about our god would be dealt with severely .muslims can go to pakistan if they have problem with worship of shriram.
I know as Hindus you people do not believe in any proof or any logic, what ever you want to believe in becomes truth for you.

That is why we see thosuands of so so called god and god men in India and every one clogging to his followers.

Why you need any advise from any one, you can manufacture and create any history on the spot!!

How can one talk reasonably and logically with such type of people.
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Feb 13, 2012
 

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Genesis: , Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

“Father of all the gods.....”

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Feb 13, 2012
 
MUQ wrote:
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How can I believe in Trinity, when NONE of the prophets of God believed in it? The name itself is not mentioned in any scripture of the world!! Even Jesus never heard that name thru out his life!!
So I am on firmer ground in rejecting Trinity than you who are so much attracted to it.
Ans.

How can I believe in TAHWEED, when NONE of the sura's mention that word in any verse? The name itself is not mentioned in any verse of the Koran!! Even Muhammed never heard that name thru out his life!!

“Father of all the gods.....”

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#13779
Feb 13, 2012
 
Daviid wrote:
Genesis:, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
Only the soul is said to be made in the image of the "creator" not the body. Why would "the creator" need a body for?
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Feb 13, 2012
 
MUQ wrote:
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Thanks for trying to explain Trinity to me in plain language!!
Have you ever pondered over what you have written? Does it make any sense?
And what are the proofs for all this? Did jesus said any of these things?
How can you propose your own theories and then implicate Jesus into it?
Since you question the Spirit of God.
You might find this an interesting read on the Spirit of God in the Hebrew Scriptures.
http://bible.org/seriespage/holy-spirit-hebre...
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Feb 13, 2012
 
MUQ wrote:
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1. How can I believe in Trinity, when NONE of the prophets of God believed in it? The name itself is not mentioned in any scripture of the world!! Even Jesus never heard that name thru out his life!!
So I am on firmer ground in rejecting Trinity than you who are so much attracted to it.
02. You are right there are many things about God which are beyond the capability of our minds, but that does not give us a right to propose theories from ourselves and then stick them to God.
We should not say anything about God, His personality and His attributes, except what He Himself reveals to His Prophets. This is the safest way and free from any potholes.
03. God was a Child, then became a Man, then became on old man and then died….. did you ever think what you just wrote? That is what happens when you try to put human logic on God!!
04. There was nothing wrong to compare our prophet with Jesus, both were honored prophets of God and ones who preached the same message of Unity and Worship of true God of the Universe.
But their roles were different on this earth and this is very natural.
This link give some information on what the prophets taught about the Spirit of God.
Its a good read for anyone who wishes to understand Scripture.
http://bible.org/seriespage/holy-spirit-hebre...
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#13782
Feb 13, 2012
 
Isreality wrote:
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That's the difference between believers and non believers. You believe we were created from amoebas, Wheras others believe a higher intelligence created us all. And 5 Billion+ people believe that, rather than your belief in Darwins amoebas
"Amoebas?" MUQ uses "monkies" as were those rediculing Darwin when he wrote his thesis. However, the argument is now closed as the DNA evidence of the past20 years. All life is related and all life evolved from very basic organisms. None of the religions mentioned the fact of the Evolution of Specis but they invented fanciful tales! EYHU! Real GOD then plnnned life via evolution.

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Feb 13, 2012
 
MUQ wrote:
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1. You can praise your own book and I do not find a fault with it. First of all you have to prove that how Gita was revealed and who wrote it and how did it reach us in its present form.
Just making claims will not suffice and who gave Gita its top position in Hindu scripture? From what I know, it is Vedas who hold the uppermost position amongst Hindu Scriptures. How can Gita supersede Vedas?
2. And what you have told about our prophet tells about what type of dirty mouth you have. It is strange that people in your frame of mind speak about truth and justice and religion.
One who cannot show respect and talk coherently when speaking of a prophet of God.
3. Anyone who thinks that Muslims worship Prophet Mohammad, they should perhaps listen to the call of prayer which is said aloud five times a day, from millions of mosques all round the earth.
When the things are so clearly spelt out, how strange is for people to refer to this scholar or that scholar and try to spin their own web.
I am in a rush right now, I shall reply to each of your points in detail later.

I shall substantiate my three points using ONLY Islamic sources of information, i.e. the Quran, Sahih Hadith & Sira.
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#13784
Feb 13, 2012
 
MUQ:
You are wrong, we do not turn people into Kafirs, it is the people who choose the path of Kufr (i.e. rejection) when truth is told to them.
Instead of asking me to shut up, it is you who should be doing somethinking and speaking the truth.
And why should you take umbarge by beling lebelled as Kafir, when you reject the message of Islam in no uncertain terms!!

DO: MUQ's "truth" is as per the book which also told (or rehashed another version)a fanciful taleon creation. Real GOD would not be pleased with MUQ goingon like this! Yes, MUQ is then a super kaffir now since he rejects the truth about creation.

MUQ failed to respond but is keen to talk about spreadin g fasehoods by others on the forum.

I wonder waht is MUQ's opinion on Malaysia arresting a Saudi journalists who was trying to leave Malaysia? The democraticaly elected multi-faith Malysia has then seled this human's life by handing him over to Saudis when they is no formal treaty of extrdition. I hope liberal, logical and non-muslim Malaysians eill take to the streets to protest!
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#13785
Feb 13, 2012
 
Daviid wrote:
Genesis:, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
Proven fact in last 20 years: Genesis is one of the fanciful tales of religions, and not a fact.

“Kradvanto Viswam Aryam ”

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Feb 13, 2012
 
MUQ wrote:
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1. You can praise your own book and I do not find a fault with it. First of all you have to prove that how Gita was revealed and who wrote it and how did it reach us in its present form.
Just making claims will not suffice and who gave Gita its top position in Hindu scripture? From what I know, it is Vedas who hold the uppermost position amongst Hindu Scriptures. How can Gita supersede Vedas?
2. And what you have told about our prophet tells about what type of dirty mouth you have. It is strange that people in your frame of mind speak about truth and justice and religion.
One who cannot show respect and talk coherently when speaking of a prophet of God.
Now , effect of holy land of Bharatvarsh has finished from the mind of our friend MUQ and we have found our ' old ' MUQ -- Communal and filled with hate for Hindus and Indians . All posters will see that this thread will run with super-speed because Saudi Wahhabi Propaganda department filled the fuel in MUQ in the form of PETRO DOLLERS .
1-- What do you think , you know about vedas and Shrimadbhagvad Geeta more then all posters of this thread , historians , Saints like Ramkrishna Paramhamsa , Vivekananda etc. 99% Hindus accept that Geeta is the extract of Vedas , so where is the contradiction between Geeta and Veadas . Where the presence of idol worship in Vedas is , i have presented verses many time but you are totally shameless who use to repeats his lie in Gobel's style in such hope that it will become true one day . If you demand the number of such verse of vedas , i will present ,but after that you will have to stop your confusing and dirty tongue about Veads and Geeta .
2-- First check your own dirty mouth , filled with poisonous bad smell of hate and violence against Hindus and India . Check of your first point of this post .

“FREEDOM OF MIND & SOUL-”

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Feb 13, 2012
 
MUQ asked about the birth place and DOB of Ram to legalize the Ram temple ! It’s funny……..isn’t it ? First of all I would ask who the fkck are you to ask this question ? In Gujarat Modi is being pleaded by Katu As to rebuild the destroyed Mosques (during riots ) on what basis ? It is just Katlus are feeling powerful under Mofo Congress (as collectively they fkck their Bharat-Mata !) at centre ! Jo Jita wou Sikandar .
Babur is a symbol of invaders only – under his reign Katlus destroyed a temple and made Mosque . Hindoos , when gained back power , corrected the injustice by destroying invader’s mistake and made temple back . Period . Dear katlus , clap and say thank you, if you traitors don’t consider urslf to be part of that fkcng invader’s team. Rejoice for victory of Dharma, Justice !
Other wise –try to make Hajia Sophia (Turkey)a mosque again before opening ur dirty mouth again!
PS: Hajia Sophia was a Church ancient Church which Katlus converted to Mosque at gunpoint. Ataturk kicked out all the Mullas in his time and made it a Museum – exhibiting Mo’s Pubic Hair !

“FREEDOM OF MIND & SOUL-”

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Feb 13, 2012
 
Mand budhdhi- are u aware that Gita is a part of Epic Mahabharata which was written when Baddus used to live on palm trees and used to come down only to fkc each other or camels ?

Muslims worship Blackstone of of Kabba- shaped like Ayasha's Phuddi- they fkng kiss (or lick it?) it as a worshipping ritual !

Aaaaaaaaa......Thooooooooo , choot-chatooo katlus !
MUQ wrote:
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1. You can praise your own book and I do not find a fault with it. First of all you have to prove that how Gita was revealed and who wrote it and how did it reach us in its present form.
Just making claims will not suffice and who gave Gita its top position in Hindu scripture? From what I know, it is Vedas who hold the uppermost position amongst Hindu Scriptures. How can Gita supersede Vedas?
2. And what you have told about our prophet tells about what type of dirty mouth you have. It is strange that people in your frame of mind speak about truth and justice and religion.
One who cannot show respect and talk coherently when speaking of a prophet of God.
3. Anyone who thinks that Muslims worship Prophet Mohammad, they should perhaps listen to the call of prayer which is said aloud five times a day, from millions of mosques all round the earth.
When the things are so clearly spelt out, how strange is for people to refer to this scholar or that scholar and try to spin their own web.

“Kradvanto Viswam Aryam ”

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Feb 13, 2012
 
MUQ wrote:
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1-- I know as Hindus you people do not believe in any proof or any logic, what ever you want to believe in becomes truth for you.
That is why we see thosuands of so so called god and god men in India and every one clogging to his followers.
2-- Why you need any advise from any one, you can manufacture and create any history on the spot!!
3-- How can one talk reasonably and logically with such type of people.
First time you said truth but about yourself because all these points become fit on you and your type of Mullas .

1-- And you ? Do you have any capacity in your mind to accept about truth of Muslim community . Did you ever accept that there is no proof that Muhammad visited Gabriel . Did you ever accept that Muhammad raped a 9 year old child ? Did you accept that Muhammad married and raped his own adopted daughter in law ? Did you ever accepted that Central Asia to Spain Muhammadanism was sprayed on the force of sword ? Did you ever accepted that Muhammad bin Quasim to Auragjaib were invaders like Alexander and Britishers who invaded your own motherland [ agar madarevatan ke liye kuch jajbe ki gairat bachi ho ]?
2-- Means , all records of courtiers of Muhammadan kings [ though many time they used to record according to king's desires ], Discoveries of well known historians and archeological evidences like underground construction's 3 d map , 40 pillars , obtained by Japanese technicians , in the presence of Muhammadan intellectuals and so called secularist historians , all were lies . So according to our ' OMNISCIENT friend MUQ ' KANTI magazine should be accepted as best historical record , MUQ as best historian and Sharia court as best ' unbiased place ' for decision of such ' MAMLAT of KAFIRS '.
3-- So true for you and your type of Muhammadans .

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Yep ......u should compare to know the difference between Chodoo and Sadhooo !
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04. There was nothing wrong to compare our prophet with Jesus, both were honored prophets of God and ones who preached the same message of Unity and Worship of true God of the Universe.
But their roles were different on this earth and this is very natural.
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Feb 13, 2012
 
MUQ wrote:
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1. How can I believe in Trinity, when NONE of the prophets of God believed in it? The name itself is not mentioned in any scripture of the world!! Even Jesus never heard that name thru out his life!!
So I am on firmer ground in rejecting Trinity than you who are so much attracted to it.
02. You are right there are many things about God which are beyond the capability of our minds, but that does not give us a right to propose theories from ourselves and then stick them to God.
We should not say anything about God, His personality and His attributes, except what He Himself reveals to His Prophets. This is the safest way and free from any potholes.
03. God was a Child, then became a Man, then became on old man and then died….. did you ever think what you just wrote? That is what happens when you try to put human logic on God!!
04. There was nothing wrong to compare our prophet with Jesus, both were honored prophets of God and ones who preached the same message of Unity and Worship of true God of the Universe.
But their roles were different on this earth and this is very natural.
A)You can "not" believe what has not yet been revealed to you . But, this is what scripture professes, In Genesis God refers to himself in the "plural" .In the "New Testament" Jesus says " baptize in the "name" of the Father ,and the Son ..etc. It does "not" say names it says name ,One God three persons .

B) Not everything we know of God has been written down , much of our belief come from tradition . Just as you have the Quran and the hadiths .

C)"MUQ" you naughty man ..you have adulterated my original post , to suit your needs .

D) No man can compare to Jesus our Lord and Savior

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