Should cats be allowed oudoors?

TNR-Advocates "Vacuum Effect" is an absolute 100% LIE (OR "The Deadly Cat-Attractor Equation")

There's an interesting study done by the Texas A&M University on TNR practices. They started out with about 12 sterilized cats. At the end of 9 months they had over 30. An increase of more than 200%, all moved in of their own volition. This isn't due to any mythical "vacuum effect" that cat-advocates spread and lie about so often. For that to have happened you would have had to remove cats to create a vacuum for others to replace them. The exact opposite happened in this study.

Simple reason being: CATS ATTRACT CATS

Cat scents attract cats. This is why they spray everything, to attract mates and rivals and mark territory. Cat sounds attract cats. Mewing kittens will even attract stray toms who will kill the kittens if they are not their own (basic feline behavior of any cat species).

If you want more cats, keep some around. More will find you. Get rid of them all and there's no reason for other cats to come to that area. I proved this myself by getting rid of every last cat on my own land. ZERO cats moved in to replace them.

Another interesting finding, sterilized cats do not defend their territory. Any new cats see this as easy-pickings and move in to take over. If that cat-colony is being fed then non-sterilized cats will actually overtake the sterilized colony's food-source because the non-sterilized cats are not as docile and complacent.

The DEADLY Cat-Attractor Equation

Another fun kicker. Cats' Toxoplasma gondii parasite they spread through their feces is meant to infect rodents. This cat-parasite alters the mind of any animal it infests (even humans). Any rodents infected lose their fear of cats and are attracted to cat urine. http://scitizen.com/neuroscience/parasite-hij... Not only do cats attract more cats, but they also attract more rodents to the area with their slew of flea-borne and other rodent diseases. If cats eat rodents then they contract those rodent diseases to spread those diseases to humans. The attractor-equation is not just CATS = CATS + CATS, it's actually CATS = CATS + CATS + RODENTS + DISEASES.

TNR IS 100% FAILURE -- no matter which way you try to spin that sorry hole-filled story.

ANY cat -- stray, feral, sterilized, or fertile -- is just a magnetic "seed cat". No matter how they are there or in what state of reproductive-viability that they are in, you'll attract and grow more of them. Even worse -- then you attract cat-advocates that want to turn your life into a living hell too. They're all part of the same life-destroying equation.

The FULL cat-attractor equation is actually: CATS = CATS + CATS + RODENTS + DISEASES + LIFE-DESTROYING CAT-ADVOCATES.

This is why you MUST destroy all cats on your land. So cat-advocates will never be able to control or rule your life ever again. It's THAT simple.

I did it on my land. Now it's YOUR turn.

Further Help wrote:

I expose myself to passersby, Now it's YOUR turn.

I don't think this is a good idea

Further Help wrote:

Here's some important information to help you understand the behaviors of "cat-lovers" and their cats. Something I discovered when local "cat-lovers" (an oxymoron if there ever was one) were using cats to overtake my land and woods, eventually even by moving my property markers when using their cats had failed -- failed because I got the legal go-ahead to shoot all cat on my land.(An expensive many $1000s lesson for these thieves, surveyors are not cheap.) I often wondered why they kept releasing new cats onto my land even long AFTER they already knew that all their cats were being shot to death, they were told this is what was going to happen, and WAS happening. They didn't care about cats AT ALL! Clearly something else was motivating them. How many so-called "cat-lovers" do you know that release cats and let them roam free even after seeing many of them become road-kill, harmed by cat and animal attacks, die of diseases, killed by poisonous plants or animals they encounter outdoors, etc.?(Like every last TNR-advocate for starters.) They don't care about cats, not in the least!
Now you'll know exactly why cat-lovers do what they do. It really has nothing at all to do with their concern for cats, nor even the lives of anything else, quite the opposite.
Human Territorial Behavior By Expendable Proxy
I have come to the inexorable conclusion that the vast majority of "cat-lovers" and cat-owners that let their destructive invasive-species roam free, and especially those that defend the rights of feral cats to overtake private and public property and wildlife areas, are only (cowardly) using cats as a proxy for their OWN territorial behavior. Not unlike uneducated inner-city youth that will disrespectfully and inconsiderately use loud music to stake-out a territory for themselves. Whether this behavior is done consciously or subconsciously, the underlying motive is the same. As long as they can have one of their cats defecate in another's yard or destroy their property, animals, and wildlife; and the land-owner not have any recourse; the cat-owner/caretaker owns that territory. It's time to put a stop to them using their "cute kitty" excuse for usurping and stealing others' property. If they want territory they can damn well buy it just like anyone else. Instead they're using underhanded, disrespectful, and manipulative means. By putting (and sacrificing) live animals in the path of their envy and greed. "Cat-lovers" only really want your yard, garden, or forest while making all others and all other animals suffer for what they can't have nor own. Bottom line--they want to control you and your property. That's _ALL_ that "cat-lovers" are really after. It's why they don't care at all if their cat nor any other animals, nor even other humans, get harmed by their goals and (lack of) values in life.
Property owners' tip: Start charging "Cat-Recreation Land-Use Fees" to all cat-owners that use your land. I suggest a fee of $10,000 per day per cat. You have the right to charge any amount you want for someone using your land for any purpose.
There's an interesting news report about a community in Florida where cat-advocates are trying to get a court to allow them to use believe they are doing "god's work" for themselves. So you must destroy their cats. It's the ONLY solution.

Its obvious you have had no life which has resulted in you becoming mentally ill LOL!!

Once and for all, we need to put the T. gondii issue in its proper perspective. A cat infected by T. gondii can only spread ithe parasite for a period of two weeks or so during its lifetime. T, gondii is rarely spread from pet cats to people. The most usual source is contaminated meat. Cats are the only known host that allows it to complete its life cycle, so in order to erradicate completely form the face of the earth one would also have to slaughter every last lion, tiger, cougar, lynx, and every other species of wildcat on the earth and even that might not guarantee its eradication if there are any other animal species whose abilities to support the parasite's life cycle have not yet been determined by scientists.

Once and for all, we need to put this cat-c_nt-licking flbadcatowner's deeply disturbing Toxoplasma-gondii induced psychoses in its proper perspective:

flbadcatowner wrote:

A cat infected by T. gondii can only spread ithe parasite for a period of two weeks or so during its lifetime.

This cats'-parasite's oocysts that a cat defecates everywhere continues to survive for over a year in any soils or waters where it is found and can even withstand washing your garden vegetables and hands in bleach. So even if it only spreads this parasite for 1 hour out of its lifetime, this parasite is still transmissible to all other warm-blooded animals while it continues to survive outside of the cats' bodies.

It is also important to note that if a cat is RE-INFECTED by this parasite after having ingested its oocysts directly from its own feces-infected-soils or by eating any animal that the cat has previously infected, then it defecates new oocysts.

http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/ar/archive/feb96/t...

"... in light of a startling discovery by Dubey and his research team. It was previously believed that once a cat had been infected with T. gondii and shed oocysts, that cat would not become re-infected and shed more oocysts.

Dubey's team has found that's probably wishful thinking. They have shown that cats infected years earlier and that shed millions of oocysts then could be reinfected 6 years later and begin shedding oocysts again.

That wasn't the only surprise. The same study showed that cats could have very high levels of antibodies against T. gondii in their blood years after a previous infection and still become reinfected. "So you can't use high levels of antibodies as an indicator of immunity,'" says Dubey."

T, gondii is rarely spread from pet cats to people.

Which is an OUTRIGHT LIE!

The most usual source is contaminated meat.

Meats from ALL HERBIVORES contract this parasite DIRECTLY FROM CAT FECES from cats that roam around stockyards and farms. An herbivore can contract this parasite IN NO OTHER WAY.

Cats are the only known host that allows it to complete its life cycle, so in order to erradicate completely form the face of the earth one would also have to slaughter every last lion, tiger, cougar, lynx, and every other species of wildcat on the earth and even that might not guarantee its eradication if there are any other animal species whose abilities to support the parasite's life cycle have not yet been determined by scientists.

And just how many tigers, lions, cougars, lynx, and other NATIVE SPECIES of cats have you seen roaming around your neighborhoods and farms lately?

ERADICATING THE DOMESTICATED CAT, WILL, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, COMPLETELY ERADICATE THIS PARASITE FROM THE HUMAN AND PRIMARY WILDLIFE FOOD-CHAIN.

"Toxoplasmosis" (from the Mayo Clinic)

Toxoplasmosis — Comprehensive overview covers symptoms, causes, treatment of this parasitic infection.

Definition
Toxoplasmosis (tok-so-plaz-MO-sis) is a disease that results from infection with the Toxoplasma gondii parasite. This organism is one of the world's most common parasites.

Toxoplasmosis may cause flu-like symptoms in some people, but most people affected never develop signs and symptoms. For infants born to infected mothers and for people with weakened immune systems, toxoplasmosis can cause extremely serious complications.

If you're generally healthy, you probably won't need any treatment for toxoplasmosis. If you're pregnant or have lowered immunity, certain medications can help reduce the infection's severity. The best approach, though, is prevention.

Symptoms
You probably won't know if you've contracted toxoplasmosis, although some people may develop toxoplasmosis symptoms similar to those of the flu or mononucleosis, such as:

Body aches
Swollen lymph nodes
Headache
Fever
Fatigue
Occasionally, a sore throat
In people with weakened immune systems
If you have HIV/AIDS, are receiving chemotherapy or have recently had an organ transplant, a previous toxoplasma infection may reactivate and you're more likely to develop signs and symptoms of severe infection, including:

Headache
Confusion
Poor coordination
Seizures
Lung problems that may resemble tuberculosis or Pneumocystis jiroveci pneumonia, a common opportunistic infection that occurs in people with AIDS
Blurred vision caused by severe inflammation of your retina (ocular toxoplasmosis)
In babies
If you become infected for the first time just before or during your pregnancy, you have about a 30 percent chance of passing the infection to your baby (congenital toxoplasmosis), even if you don't have signs and symptoms yourself.

Your baby is most at risk of contracting toxoplasmosis if you become infected in the third trimester and least at risk if you become infected during the first trimester. On the other hand, the earlier in your pregnancy the infection occurs, the more serious the outcome for your baby. Many early infections end in stillbirth or miscarriage, and children who do survive are likely to be born with serious problems, such as:

Seizures
An enlarged liver and spleen
Yellowing of the skin and whites of the eyes (jaundice)
Severe eye infections
Only a small number of babies who have toxoplasmosis show signs of the disease at birth. Often, infected children don't develop signs and symptoms — including hearing loss, mental disability or serious eye infections — until their teens or later.

When to see a doctor
If you're living with HIV or AIDS or are pregnant or thinking of becoming pregnant, talk to your doctor about being tested. The signs and symptoms of severe toxoplasmosis — blurred vision, confusion, loss of coordination — require immediate medical care, particularly if your immune system has been weakened.

"Toxoplasmosis" (from the Mayo Clinic ... cont.)

Causes
Toxoplasma gondii (T. gondii) is a single-celled parasitic organism that can infect most animals and birds. But because it reproduces sexually only in cats, wild and domestic felines are the parasite's ultimate host.

When a person becomes infected with T. gondii, the parasite forms cysts that can affect almost any part of the body — often your brain and muscles, including the heart.

If you're generally healthy, your immune system keeps the parasites in check. They remain in your body in an inactive state, providing you with lifelong immunity so that you can't become infected with the parasite again. But if your resistance is weakened by disease or certain medications, the infection can be reactivated, leading to serious complications.

Although you can't "catch" toxoplasmosis from an infected child or adult, you can become infected if you:

Come into contact with cat feces that contain the parasite. You may accidentally ingest the parasites if you touch your mouth after gardening, cleaning a litter box or touching anything that has come in contact with infected cat feces. Cats who hunt or who are fed raw meat are most likely to harbor T. gondii.
Eat contaminated food or drink contaminated water. Lamb, pork and venison are especially likely to be infected with T. gondii. Occasionally, unpasteurized dairy products also may contain the parasite. Water can be contaminated with T. gondii, too, but this isn't common in the United States.
Use contaminated knives, cutting boards or other utensils. Kitchen utensils that come in contact with raw meat can harbor the parasites unless the utensils are washed thoroughly in plenty of hot, soapy water.
Eat unwashed fruits and vegetables. The surface of fruits and vegetables may contain traces of the parasite. To be safe, thoroughly wash all produce, especially any you eat raw.
Receive an infected organ transplant or transfused blood. In rare cases, toxoplasmosis can be transmitted through an organ transplant or blood transfusion.
risk-factors
Risk factors
Anyone can become infected with toxoplasmosis. The parasite is found throughout the world.

You're at risk of serious health problems if:

You have HIV/AIDS. Many people with HIV/AIDS also have toxoplasmosis. In some cases, the infection is recent, and in others, an old infection has become active again.
You're undergoing chemotherapy. Chemotherapy affects your immune system, making it difficult for your body to fight even minor infections.
You take steroids or other immunosuppressant drugs. Medications used to treat certain nonmalignant conditions suppress your immune system and make you more likely to develop complications of toxoplasmosis.
You're pregnant. If you have active toxoplasmosis, treatment can reduce the risk to your baby. If you've already had toxoplasmosis before becoming pregnant, you generally can't pass the infection to your baby.
complications
Complications
If you have a normal immune system, you're not likely to experience any complications of toxoplasmosis, although otherwise healthy people sometimes develop eye infections.

But if your immune system is compromised, especially as a result of HIV/AIDS, toxoplasmosis can lead to seizures and life-threatening illnesses such as encephalitis — a serious brain infection. In people living with AIDS, untreated encephalitis resulting from toxoplasmosis is fatal. Relapse is a constant concern for immunocompromised people with toxoplasmosis.

Children with congenital toxoplasmosis may develop disabling complications, including hearing loss, mental disability and blindness."

This cats'-parasite is now also being linked to autism, schizophrenia, and brain cancers.

Educating Cat-Psychotics wrote:

Once and for all, we need to put this cat-c_nt-licking flbadcatowner's deeply disturbing Toxoplasma-gondii induced psychoses in its proper perspective:
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This cats'-parasite's oocysts that a cat defecates everywhere continues to survive for over a year in any soils or waters where it is found and can even withstand washing your garden vegetables and hands in bleach. So even if it only spreads this parasite for 1 hour out of its lifetime, this parasite is still transmissible to all other warm-blooded animals while it continues to survive outside of the cats' bodies.
It is also important to note that if a cat is RE-INFECTED by this parasite after having ingested its oocysts directly from its own feces-infected-soils or by eating any animal that the cat has previously infected, then it defecates new oocysts.
http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/ar/archive/feb96/t...
"... in light of a startling discovery by Dubey and his research team. It was previously believed that once a cat had been infected with T. gondii and shed oocysts, that cat would not become re-infected and shed more oocysts.
Dubey's team has found that's probably wishful thinking. They have shown that cats infected years earlier and that shed millions of oocysts then could be reinfected 6 years later and begin shedding oocysts again.
That wasn't the only surprise. The same study showed that cats could have very high levels of antibodies against T. gondii in their blood years after a previous infection and still become reinfected. "So you can't use high levels of antibodies as an indicator of immunity,'" says Dubey."
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Which is an OUTRIGHT LIE!
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Meats from ALL HERBIVORES contract this parasite DIRECTLY FROM CAT FECES from cats that roam around stockyards and farms. An herbivore can contract this parasite IN NO OTHER WAY.
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And just how many tigers, lions, cougars, lynx, and other NATIVE SPECIES of cats have you seen roaming around your neighborhoods and farms lately?
ERADICATING THE DOMESTICATED CAT, WILL, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, COMPLETELY ERADICATE THIS PARASITE FROM THE HUMAN AND PRIMARY WILDLIFE FOOD-CHAIN.

You have certainly showed your absolute hate for cats. You ignore the facts that cats are far less likely to infect humans than consuming spoiled meat. As long as lions and tigers and other wild members of the cat family remain on earth, so will T. gondii. I hope you are not recommending that we exterminate all of the wild species of the cat family. Cats generally pose a very small T. gondii threat to their owners.

Educating Cat-Psychotics wrote:

In people living with AIDS, untreated encephalitis resulting from toxoplasmosis is fatal. Relapse is a constant concern for immunocompromised people with toxoplasmosis.
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You should get tested it may explain why you are so deranged, especially as hunters are not renowned for their hygiene not doubt there's still copious amounts of cat sh*t behind your finger nails.

BTW. You'd better hurry outside now, might be a nasty cat urinating on your rocking chair. Have fun on planet crazy LOL!!

flbadcatowner wrote:

<quoted text>You can't even get my gender right even with the explanation that I am a happily married man...with pets next to my avatar. How pathetic and what a vulgar contemptible person you are. Can't you make any post without using abusive language?

Unless you are a bestiality practicing lesbian, a "cat-c_nt-licker" would tend to be male.

I was right, you can't even read, nor comprehend the parts that you are able to read.

You're just a cat-psychotic TROLL desperate for attention. Attention that you can't even get from your cats nor that which your closet-case-loving beard-of-a-wife can give you.

Tell her to say "HI!" to all those imaginary male-friends that you have online that are ruining your marriage!

LOL

Educating Cat-TROLLS wrote:

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Unless you are a bestiality practicing lesbian, a "cat-c_nt-licker" would tend to be male.
I was right, you can't even read, nor comprehend the parts that you are able to read.
You're just a cat-psychotic TROLL desperate for attention. Attention that you can't even get from your cats nor that which your closet-case-loving beard-of-a-wife can give you.
Tell her to say "HI!" to all those imaginary male-friends that you have online that are ruining your marriage!
LOL

I have been wondering the same thing about your reading comprehension.

Educating Cat-TROLLS wrote:

<quoted text>

You're just a cat-psychotic TROLL desperate for attention. Attention
LOL

A very accurate description of yourself LOL!!!!

BTW have you tried viagra for that little hunters dick???

No. Cats should not be allowed outdoors unless it's on their owners property. I, for one, am sick and tired of picking up cat feces, dead birds and rigor mortis mice and squirrels from my fenced backyard. I'm sick and tired of hearing the dogs barking in the neighborhood because the cats are out looking for more things to kill in the early, morning, or screaming in the middle of the night as they fight each other. I'm also sick of the incredibly disgusting intact male cat spray smell that loves to magically appear on my bushes. People are so very selfish, and, I hate to say it, but *alot* of cat owners seem to take the prize for selfishness. (All you cat owners who actually keep your animals home and on your own property are exempt from my last statement.)

This thread has certainly given me some new perspectives. I guess I'm just not going to have any more cats.

I have a stray who visits my backyard on occasion. I've watched him vomit at the back section of my yard the other day. Today, he vomited in my driveway. Probably has hair balls or he's sick, but he doesn't appear to be sick. His coat is clean and his eyes look bright and healthy. I leave some dry cat food out for him each day and some fresh water. It's not his fault that he ended up having to fend for himself. I remember seeing this cat at a neighbor's home who passed away a few years ago. She was a cat hoarder and all of her cats were strays or ferals she housed in her backyard. Unfortunately, she didn't see to finding homes for them when she was still alive, so they were all left on their own. The people who purchased her home, got rid of all the cat shelters, so the cats had no where to go. Very sad. I don't like the fact that the cat has vomited in my yard and driveway, but I wouldn't do anything to harm him. He can't help it and it's not his fault that he doesn't have a home. I've made a cozy place for him to sleep. The good thing, is that the woman had the good sense to have all of the cats neutered and spayed, so they can't reproduce.

Bill wrote:

No. Cats should not be allowed outdoors unless it's on their owners property.I'm sick and tired of hearing the dogs barking in the neighborhood because the cats are out looking for more things to kill in the early, morning,

Yes I agree, get rid of all cats to stop dogs barking, Brilliant!!

Bill wrote:

No. Cats should not be allowed outdoors unless it's on their owners property. I, for one, am sick and tired of picking up cat feces, dead birds and rigor mortis mice and squirrels from my fenced backyard. I'm sick and tired of hearing the dogs barking in the neighborhood because the cats are out looking for more things to kill in the early, morning, or screaming in the middle of the night as they fight each other. I'm also sick of the incredibly disgusting intact male cat spray smell that loves to magically appear on my bushes. People are so very selfish, and, I hate to say it, but *alot* of cat owners seem to take the prize for selfishness.(All you cat owners who actually keep your animals home and on your own property are exempt from my last statement.)

I love cats, but I will agree they are better off kept indoors for their sake and the sake of one's neighbors.

Amused Crack-er wrote:

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Incorrect. Fecal matter from dogs and cats are NOT good fertilizer due to the fact that they are meat eaters. Cows are good since they are vegetarians.

thank you glad some one is smart I lmao when I seen that

To short wrote:

<quoted text> thank you glad some one is smart I lmao when I seen that

The biggest problem is that cats that spend a lot of time outdoors are prone to picking up parasites which can be spread to humans. For that reason, it may not be wise to use in vegetable gardens. The meat eating is not as big an issue as one thinks because most cat foods are considerably less than half meat unless one buys the expensive canned food. My cats are indoor cats, so they are not nearly as likely to pick up parasites, but I would rather not take chances anyway with using it in the vegetable garden.

Cat manure and cat littler contains comparable amounts of nitrogen compared to most vegetarian animal manures and is a good source of trace minerals, but in concentrated form, it can be toxic to some plants. If I spread it thinly enough, it will not hurt my lawn in any way.

Used clay based cat litters can help a lawn that is too sandy to hold moisture and its use has made my lawn greener in Florida where soils tend to be notoriously sandy. My need to water the lawn has decreased measurably with the gradual introduction of used cat litter as it holds moisture well. The use of unused cat litter straight from the bag could be beneficial to one's too sandy vegetable garden as it will not contain parasites that used cat litter may contain.

flbadcatowner wrote:

<quoted text>The biggest problem is that cats that spend a lot of time outdoors are prone to picking up parasites which can be spread to humans. For that reason, it may not be wise to use in vegetable gardens. The meat eating is not as big an issue as one thinks because most cat foods are considerably less than half meat unless one buys the expensive canned food. My cats are indoor cats, so they are not nearly as likely to pick up parasites, but I would rather not take chances anyway with using it in the vegetable garden.
Cat manure and cat littler contains comparable amounts of nitrogen compared to most vegetarian animal manures and is a good source of trace minerals, but in concentrated form, it can be toxic to some plants. If I spread it thinly enough, it will not hurt my lawn in any way.
Used clay based cat litters can help a lawn that is too sandy to hold moisture and its use has made my lawn greener in Florida where soils tend to be notoriously sandy. My need to water the lawn has decreased measurably with the gradual introduction of used cat litter as it holds moisture well. The use of unused cat litter straight from the bag could be beneficial to one's too sandy vegetable garden as it will not contain parasites that used cat litter may contain.

I want to grow a few vegetables in my backyard, this Spring. There are a few strays and ferals who pass through my yard. I feed one of the strays because he's very friendly and seems to like human contact. I do pet him, but I'm careful to not let his anal area brush against me. I was my hands thoroughly as soon as I get inside, even wiping the door knobs off. Just the same, I don't want him near my veggie garden. Also, many birds congregate at the back of my yard because the neighbor in back of me has about 8 bird feeders hanging from the branches of a long dead tree. I've seen fresh bird droppings with live parasites squiggling around in it, so bird droppings are another serious concern of mine. I have a raised area close to my door that critters seem to avoid. I'll have to see how that works out. I can put screening over the area which may also be helpful.