Humane society receives grant to take on feral cat problem

Nov 23, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Ruidoso News

Local feline fanciers are working overtime to feed a huge feral cat population in Ruidoso, some with the goal of capturing as many as possible to have them spayed and neutered to slow the number of new births.

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How nice to see that the pet-food industry now has the Humane Society as their own private puppets. Every cat-mouth kept alive; no matter how much it is suffering to death from becoming road-kill, being poisoned by anything outdoors, dying from exposure, dying from disease, dying from dehydration, dying from animal attacks, etc.; is more money in their pockets. And the now-oxymoronic "humane" society is playing the part of the lock-step fools to ensure all those cats and all the animals that those cats torture to death suffer immeasurably.

How nice.
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OOOPS! Slight problem.

(Data taken from TNR groups' OWN resources.)

Estimated Cat Population of Lincoln County, New Mexico
Estimated Number of Cats 37,540
Estimated Number of Free-Roaming Cats 20,650
Estimated Costs Associated With Alteration and Return Per Cat
Trap/Fieldwork $60
Neuter/Spay $40
Physical Exams $50
Vaccinations $40
Estimated Cost of TNR in Lincoln, New Mexico Per Cat $180

Let's do a little population-growth calculation on those feral-cats. Shall we? Applying a little recursive calculus, in a 2 year period of 20,650 feral-cats reproducing exponentially with a 90% survival rate, we end up with 4,349,107 cats. That means that 2,000 cats trapped is only 0.046% of the amount of cats that you'll have at the end of two years.

Well, there goes another $127,600 COMPLETELY shot to hell and accomplishing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with it.

You people are SO smart.

LOL!

But lets take the far lower estimate of 3,666 cats that you only think exist there. This means after two years you'll have 772,096 feral cats born from present presumed population numbers. OOOPS! 2,000 is still only 2.7% of existing cat numbers. Then in 3 years you'll have about 1,741,742 feral cats breeding from those that you can't trap. So you'll have trapped a whopping 0.1% of cats. And so they breed faster than can be trapped, and so you throw even more money at useless TNR methods, also increasing in cost just as exponentially fast as cats breed.

Yeah, you keep doing what you're doing. And if you click your heels 3 times and say "I believe, I believe, I believe", your cat problem might go away by using TNR methods some day.

In your dreams!

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Reality Czech wrote:
How nice to see that the pet-food industry now has the Humane Society as their own private puppets. Every cat-mouth kept alive; no matter how much it is suffering to death from becoming road-kill, being poisoned by anything outdoors, dying from exposure, dying from disease, dying from dehydration, dying from animal attacks, etc.; is more money in their pockets. And the now-oxymoronic "humane" society is playing the part of the lock-step fools to ensure all those cats and all the animals that those cats torture to death suffer immeasurably.
How nice.
Said by a deranged fool who is also guilty of judging his own comments LOL
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Can there really be 20,000 feral cats? We have 20,000 people in all of Lincoln County. I think the bobcats, coyotes, foxes and cougars take their fair share of the ferals. This is a natural way to keep the population down, if only people would stop feeding the wildlife!
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County Kitty wrote:
Can there really be 20,000 feral cats? We have 20,000 people in all of Lincoln County. I think the bobcats, coyotes, foxes and cougars take their fair share of the ferals. This is a natural way to keep the population down, if only people would stop feeding the wildlife!
While some native predators will prey upon cats occasionally, it's not this simple.

15 years ago I started a project to increase the populations of the few remaining native predators to try displace all the feral cats in my remote wooded area. Hoping that these native predators would put "cat" on their diet. I discovered something interesting, that would also explain why cats had bred out of control. Any time that a cat would enter the wildlife feeding area, all the wildlife would scatter. Later, when it became obvious that shooting cats was the only solution (because all the native predators would not only not eat cats but they would actually run from cats), I thought I could at least put all that dead-cat protein I had shot to good use to feed the starving native wildlife.(Starving because cats had destroyed all their food sources. This is what alerted me to how bad the problem was. Loss of all animals on my land. Cats had destroyed the whole food-chain for all wildlife.)

I observed a remarkable thing. Even if wildlife spotted a dead cat in their feeding area they would run from the area. Whether cats were alive or dead, the native predators would have nothing to do with "cat". I finally figured out why on one of the last few cats I had shot. An all-gray one, the only solid-coat-pattern cat I had ever shot. Some of the local wildlife actually gnawed on the dead cat-carcass a bit.(An opossum family that were living next to the house for years. Resident wildlife friends. Who then disappeared after trying some cat-meat. I surmise now that they died from cat diseases. A mistake I'll never make again. And then was so glad that no other wildlife would go near any of the other dead cats, nor the live ones.)

What I discovered was this: Due to cats' bold coat-patterns that have been bred into them by man, native wildlife perceives this as a warning sign. Bold and bright colors and patterns are a universal warning sign in nature. If a native animal spots any unknown animal with a bold pattern, it alerts them to danger. That that animal must have a hidden toxic or olfactory defense mechanism. Considering all the deadly diseases that cats now carry and spread today, the bold patterns that have been bred into the domesticated cat might inadvertently be a good thing now. Preventing more wildlife from preying on cats and dying from their diseases. Their coat pattern actually turned out to be true. Cats actually are toxic and deadly to wildlife.

Even so, while native wildlife might prey on cats occasionally (and risk dying from cat-diseases), you'll find that they'll only pick off the muted-patterned or no-patterned cats. Leaving all the bold-patterned cats to continue to reproduce. Leaving you with a situation where native wildlife won't even go near them anymore and cats continuing to breed out of control, now with no native wildlife that will ever keep them in check.

This has even been confirmed online by proud but highly ignorant cat-owners who claim how their "Fluffy" chased away a coyote or other large predator from their yard. In their ignorance they never realized that their cat had no bravery whatsoever. It was the cat's coloring pattern that frightened that larger predator. That's all it was.
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This is a 100% man-made ecological disaster. Man selectively-bred that invasive-species. It is now going to require a 100% man-made intervention.

Don't count on nature to get your ass out of the sling this time around. The only thing nature will do is wait until cats have destroyed every ecosystem on earth until there's nothing but cannibalistic cats left roaming the land. Humans now gone too because the very food-chain upon which they depend has also been annihilated by cats.

Then nature can and will do her balancing act again.
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Thanks, Real World. I didn't know. My vet told me that foxes would go for small cats, but she may not know either.
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The Real World wrote:
This is a 100% man-made ecological disaster. Man selectively-bred that invasive-species. It is now going to require a 100% man-made intervention.
Don't count on nature to get your ass out of the sling this time around. The only thing nature will do is wait until cats have destroyed every ecosystem on earth until there's nothing but cannibalistic cats left roaming the land. Humans now gone too because the very food-chain upon which they depend has also been annihilated by cats.
Then nature can and will do her balancing act again.
It appears he/she doesn't spend much time in the real world
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County Kitty wrote:
Thanks, Real World. I didn't know. My vet told me that foxes would go for small cats, but she may not know either.
The more I read online the more I find that the ignorance and stupidity of veterinarians is astounding. I recently read of one online that is even lobbying to let people allow them to bring their cats into eating establishments. Their personal biases completely blinding them to clearly shown health-issues and the very reasons laws were passed to protect everyone. They also vaccinate feral cats against rabies, not realizing that this will do nothing to cure a cat of rabies once the cat is already infected. Read this horror story caused by a supposedly educated veterinarian.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/09/23/2...

The longer you live the more you'll find that some of the most stupid and ignorant people you'll ever meet in the world will have Dr. or PhD. associated with their names.
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Stupid Veterinarians wrote:
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The more I read online the more I find that the ignorance and stupidity of veterinarians is astounding. I recently read of one online that is even lobbying to let people allow them to bring their cats into eating establishments. Their personal biases completely blinding them to clearly shown health-issues and the very reasons laws were passed to protect everyone. They also vaccinate feral cats against rabies, not realizing that this will do nothing to cure a cat of rabies once the cat is already infected. Read this horror story caused by a supposedly educated veterinarian.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/09/23/2...
The longer you live the more you'll find that some of the most stupid and ignorant people you'll ever meet in the world will have Dr. or PhD. associated with their names.
Stupid psychiatrist more like, either yours is not up to the job or you are a very difficult case LOL!

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Reality Czech wrote:
OOOPS! Slight problem.
(Data taken from TNR groups' OWN resources.)
Estimated Cat Population of Lincoln County, New Mexico
Estimated Number of Cats 37,540
Estimated Number of Free-Roaming Cats 20,650
Estimated Costs Associated With Alteration and Return Per Cat
Trap/Fieldwork $60
Neuter/Spay $40
Physical Exams $50
Vaccinations $40
Estimated Cost of TNR in Lincoln, New Mexico Per Cat $180
Let's do a little population-growth calculation on those feral-cats. Shall we? Applying a little recursive calculus, in a 2 year period of 20,650 feral-cats reproducing exponentially with a 90% survival rate, we end up with 4,349,107 cats. That means that 2,000 cats trapped is only 0.046% of the amount of cats that you'll have at the end of two years.
Well, there goes another $127,600 COMPLETELY shot to hell and accomplishing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with it.
You people are SO smart.
LOL!
But lets take the far lower estimate of 3,666 cats that you only think exist there. This means after two years you'll have 772,096 feral cats born from present presumed population numbers. OOOPS! 2,000 is still only 2.7% of existing cat numbers. Then in 3 years you'll have about 1,741,742 feral cats breeding from those that you can't trap. So you'll have trapped a whopping 0.1% of cats. And so they breed faster than can be trapped, and so you throw even more money at useless TNR methods, also increasing in cost just as exponentially fast as cats breed.
Yeah, you keep doing what you're doing. And if you click your heels 3 times and say "I believe, I believe, I believe", your cat problem might go away by using TNR methods some day.
In your dreams!
LOL!!!!!
It just amazes me that every time I turn around the Humane Society is recieving grants or funding from everywhere... Lets look at how this is a public service... Does it benefit the economy? The resources? The humans? Employment? Hmmmm...nope , just dont see it... Can you please explain to me why the new group on the Count Commissioners Throne felt it was best to give the Humane Society, Animal Shelter, whatever you wish to call it...funding and yet turn away funding for the FOOD BANK, TRANSIT, and many other HUMAN PUBLIC SERVICES....I believe the quote from several of the COMMISSIONERS felt it was best to go back to the good old days for help with these situations...let the churches, neighbors, friends, and so forth provide assistance to HUMANS in need...WELLLLLL...I think its high time those dang cats get off their lazy butts and began doing what they are intended for... catching mice...having kittens...hmmm what else??? Gosh ...The Animal Shelters just need to do as everyone else is expected to...Take those ferrel cats to their neighbors, and churches to provide their needs....Thats what the Commissionners want the HUMANS to do... Its only fair the cats do it too !!! I think each Commissioner that voted on denying Human services but agreed to fund the animals instead...Well they should be given a fair share amount of ferrell cats to deal with persaonally !!!

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<quoted text> It just amazes me that every time I turn around the Humane Society is recieving grants or funding from everywhere... Lets look at how this is a public service... Does it benefit the economy? The resources? The humans? Employment? Hmmmm...nope , just dont see it... Can you please explain to me why the new group on the Count Commissioners Throne felt it was best to give the Humane Society, Animal Shelter, whatever you wish to call it...funding and yet turn away funding for the FOOD BANK, TRANSIT, and many other HUMAN PUBLIC SERVICES....I believe the quote from several of the COMMISSIONERS felt it was best to go back to the good old days for help with these situations...let the churches, neighbors, friends, and so forth provide assistance to HUMANS in need...WELLLLLL...I think its high time those dang cats get off their lazy butts and began doing what they are intended for... catching mice...having kittens...hmmm what else??? Gosh ...The Animal Shelters just need to do as everyone else is expected to...Take those ferrel cats to their neighbors, and churches to provide their needs....Thats what the Commissionners want the HUMANS to do... Its only fair the cats do it too !!! I think each Commissioner that voted on denying Human services but agreed to fund the animals instead...Well they should be given a fair share amount of ferrell cats to deal with persaonally !!!
How we treat our animals tells much about our civilization. In our nation, the Humane Society (especially) protects these animals who cannot speak for themselves. The Humane Society is their voice and understands that these creatures are capable of feeling love, affection, and tenderness as well as fear and pain. Why should they suffer? I don't know whether the answer for the over-population of feral cats is the catch and release theory that will be funded by the grant secured for this problem, but I do know that a lot of work goes into obtaining grants for animal care even though you seem to think the funding just rolls in "from everywhere". Hardworking volunteers help staff and manage both the Thrift Store here and the shelter; and those who are employed by the organization do not make huge salaries but are extremely dedicated. If you have a problem with the Commissioners, don't transfer your anger to the animals. They are the innocents in all of this.
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How we treat our animals tells much about our civilization.
True. Let's take a closer look at how YOU and the present "Humane Society" (an oxymoron if there ever was one) treat ALL animals:

Look up the term TNR advocates just LOVE to use on how they reduce their feral-cat numbers, their candy-coating feel-good term of "Death by Attrition". This means that their cats will die from disease, cat-attacks, animal-attacks, exposure, road-kill, starvation, and any other means that drastically shortens cats' lives. They don't die from old-age, you know! ALL their cats suffering for how many months it takes to die that way. Just because they don't see how that cat lies there, gasping for air, dying for days, after it's been hit by a car or survived an animal attack means that it didn't die inhumanely? Is that how it works with TNR advocates? They didn't see it suffer to death so it didn't suffer? Are they THIS self-deluded? A cat dying from poisoning is even more humane than a cat dying from TNR's "attrition" (of which poisoning by any means; plant, snake, insect, or chemical; is one of the many methods that falls under the definition of "attrition"). In most parts of this country and the world TNR practices clearly falls under the guidelines for cruelty to animals, animal-abuse, animal-neglect, animal-endangerment, and animal-abandonment laws. Including being in direct violation of every invasive-species law in existence.

Let's not forget how TNR advocates don't hesitate to carve up cats with scalpels as well as cutting off parts of their ears, from which they have to heal-up for weeks before they try to survive again. As if letting them die of "attrition" wasn't bad enough, TNR-advocates start them off by terrorizing them with traps, cages, and sticking knives into them first.(Which is also precisely why they can't trap them a 2nd time to keep them vaccinated.)

Not only are they cruelly torturing cats, but also all wildlife they inflict their cats upon. Their cats literally ripping the skin off of and clawing the guts out of any wildlife to use it as an agonizingly and slowly dying twitching play-toy for their cats. And as soon as all the "fun" has drained out of their play-toy, they go on and find another one to torture. This is no different than if cat-owners went to a pet-store and bought canaries and hamsters then threw them at their cats to watch their cats tear them apart for their amusement. What about all the native predators that depend on all those animals for their ONLY food? Their cats cause all those animals to STARVE TO DEATH. TNR-advocates' cruelty knows no bounds.

If you want to raise revenue for your towns and cities in order to deal with this invasive-species ecological-disaster properly and effectively, start charging all these TNR advocates with severe fines and imprisonment for CRUELTY TO ANIMALS AND VIOLATION OF INVASIVE-SPECIES LAWS.

They're not doing this out of any goodness of their hearts. THEY DON'T HAVE HEARTS, nor minds. Proved, 100%.
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I believe our local Humane Society has one of the highest adoption rates in the state. I know someone who works there and is a good, intelligent person who cares about animals very much.

Feral cats have it rough (so do all wild animals). I don't think anyone denies that. They're heavy breeders and predators. Not because they're bad but because that's how nature made them.

TNR programs are not torture. The cats are not stabbed with "knives". They are professionally spayed and neutered under sedation just like any household dog or cat and then returned to live out their lives but without adding to the population.
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Here is an idea,why not put a small tax on pet food to be used just to take care of these problems like over population and illness.Then the animal lovers can be guilt free about all the problems that are created by too many unwanted pets.When ever I get a new tire they charge me a special tax to discard the old tire.It is the same idea.Now I will wait to be attacked from all sides.
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BTY I think the humane society is doing the best they can with what they have to work with and these attacks are unfair. here is a joke .A DOG WALKS IN TO A BAR AND SAYS IM LOOKING FOR THE NO GOOD SOB THAT SHOT MY PAW!
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I believe our local Humane Society has one of the highest adoption rates in the state.
Good, then that means your "humane society" is just as criminally negligent as this one. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/09/23/2... It's just a matter of time before this happens in all shelters across the land that are trying to get ANY outdoors cats adopted without a mandatory 6-month quarantined holding-time for each and every cat that is brought in. I'd ask you to all pull your heads out of your a**es but it's clear that you have them shoved up in there, so far, and for so long, that there's nothing that any of you can do about it now.
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I've been perusing the posts eminating out of St. Paul, MN and that very word came to mind, that and the word 'insane'. You should seek some help for your ailurophobia and stop wasting your time posting your demented spiel on this forum and also stop judging your own posts with high marks while judging all those posts that don't agree with yours with disparaging marks. Yeah, you sick deranged SOB, we are on to you. Go away.

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Speaking of Psychotics wrote:
I've been perusing the posts eminating out of St. Paul, MN and that very word came to mind, that and the word 'insane'. You should seek some help for your ailurophobia and stop wasting your time posting your demented spiel on this forum and also stop judging your own posts with high marks while judging all those posts that don't agree with yours with disparaging marks. Yeah, you sick deranged SOB, we are on to you. Go away.
I wholeheartedly agree.

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<quoted text>Stupid psychiatrist more like, either yours is not up to the job or you are a very difficult case LOL!
You had this guy's number from the beginning. Some people are too far up their own arse to see the light, though.

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