Health care plan hits rich with big tax increases

Consider for a moment that we are talking about letting the most ineffective group of politically correct cheaters in history to run our health care.

I'm old enough, and you other seniors can check my facts on this, that I remember back before 'Health' classes in school. They later were renamed as sex education and done for what reason.

Sex education was put on our children because some Liberal thought the parents were doing a poor job. I can attest that throughout time, little boys and girls have figured out how to put tab A into slot B without classes or forethought.

The classes were to prevent teen pregnancy, that went up dramatically. They were to prevent STD's, that went up dramatically. They were to prevent rape, that went up dramatically. I can't think of one objective these classed obtained. Can you?

Why are we now willing to turn over our health care to these moore-ons? Does past performance have anything to do with hiring a person to do a job? Name the past performance of a Liberal you want to hire.

required wrote:

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What do you mean will? Much of the rich does and has for some time now. The good thing is that this administration is going after these tax evaders (something the prior did not do, in fact the prior helped the rich evade).

only problem is they are not evading taxes, they are structuring their assets to pay under 60% to the Government... I don't blame them.

how about the 50% that pay NO income tax??? tax evaders???

Freedom Lover wrote:

<quoted text>Everyone's paying in one way or another: the poor, the middle class, the upper class ---- just "not" the Elite. They make it, they don't spend or share it - never have & never will - that's how they keep it, generation after generation.

then how do the top 5% pay for just about everything that runs the government? and why do 50% of the country pay no federal income tax?

Freedom Lover wrote:

<quoted text>Everyone's paying in one way or another: the poor, the middle class, the upper class ---- just "not" the Elite. They make it, they don't spend or share it - never have & never will - that's how they keep it, generation after generation.

not everyone. what do you mean, "One way or another"? Which of those groups pay federal income taxes?

Florida wrote:

<quoted text>Yes, once again Bush has to come to the rescue for the failures of the Democrats and Marine Corp Pat.
The Poison of Fascist Liberalism

I believe Marine corp Pat is a liberal trying to convince us he's a man with that marine moniker.Watch which end of that rifle you put to your shoulder Pat,they bite. Don't talk to loud about Bush & Cheney in front of you "marine buddies".Liberals are not even allowed in the girl scouts.....are they????

Lastone wrote:

<quoted text>I believe Marine corp Pat is a liberal trying to convince us he's a man with that marine moniker.Watch which end of that rifle you put to your shoulder Pat,they bite. Don't talk to loud about Bush & Cheney in front of you "marine buddies".Liberals are not even allowed in the girl scouts.....are they????

Most military men hate Liberals and Democrats like Jimmy Carter, Bill (We loather the Military) Clinton and Barracks Obama, David Letterman, Bill Maher, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Hillery Clinton, etc. or they have changed an aweful lot since I retired.

What is the moniker of a person that believes that the United States should be in a perpetual state of 'police action'.
In other countries?

required wrote:

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My guess is that you do not understand what government is and you do not know what it is. You are simply making presumptions based on sound bites emitting from your faux noose box.
If I am wrong and you do know what government is and you somehow know what the health care reform will be at the end of the day, please share.

So what Palosi's says about the bill is a lie? Hmmm......
You need to be able to read to understand and apparently you don't know how to do either.

Auto Mechanic wrote:

<quoted text>Most military men hate Liberals and Democrats like Jimmy Carter, Bill (We loather the Military) Clinton and Barracks Obama, David Letterman, Bill Maher, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Hillery Clinton, etc. or they have changed an aweful lot since I retired.

most people (enlisted) in military are democrat voteing. now officers vote republican. just like in civilian world the rich bosses vote republican why workingclass people vote democrat..just a few facts for ya.

required wrote:

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You're certain?
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So what.
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The only thing to fear is fear itself.
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You clearly have no grasp of the issue at all and no, I am not going to explain it to you. But to put your feeble mind at ease I will let you know that it's just a bill and has a long journey in front of it.

You're really a rude jerk.

toots wrote:

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So what Palosi's says about the bill is a lie? Hmmm......
You need to be able to read to understand and apparently you don't know how to do either.

A good place for him to start reading is Sec 1301 page 653, ACCOUNTABLE CARE ORGANIZATION PILOT PROGRAM. Which basically turns Medicare into an HMO with the new moniker of ACO.

The interesting part is on page 658 line 19.“(c) SPECIFIC PAYMENT INCENTIVE MODELS.—The specific payment incentive models described in this subsection are the following:
“(1) PERFORMANCE TARGET MODEL.—Under the performance target model under this paragraph (in this paragraph referred to as the “performance target model”):
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“(A) IN GENERAL.—A qualifying ACO qualifies to receive an incentive payment if expenditures for items and services for applicable beneficiaries are less than a target spending level or a target rate of growth. The incentive payment shall be made only if savings are greater than would result from normal variation in expenditures for items and services covered under parts A and B (and may include Part D, if the Secretary determines appropriate).

Can you say “sorry grandma, you do not qualify for that procedure, it costs too much, and I need to get my bonus”? IE: rationing for profit!

frank wrote:

<quoted text>most people (enlisted) in military are democrat voteing. now officers vote republican. just like in civilian world the rich bosses vote republican why workingclass people vote democrat..just a few facts for ya.

Don't believe that most enlisted men would vote for the fools that dislike the military and have ALWAYS screwed the military unless they are Black and/or really stupid.

Just a few facts for you.

frank wrote:

most people (enlisted) in military are democrat voteing.

You are correct. Currently most vote democrat. This is most likely due to all of the republican abuses during the Bush years.

Tyranny And Control wrote:

Obama is a communist/marxist and always will govern like one.
Deep in his cold black muslim heart he hates the rich, hates white Americans and jews. He has vowed to allah to get even with us all--this healthcare bill with death panels is just step one. With the corrupt government in charge of your healthcare they can decide who lives and dies. They can change your files and information without your knowledge. If you do not do as you're told or oppose his policies all it will take is for one of his operatives to type a few words in your medical records or those of a loved one to bring you into line.
Change official files? Not possible right? Wrong. Look at his birth certificate, and look at his passport records.... changed

a guy that puts a member of the AIPAC in as ambassador to iran does not hate Jews he works for them, while you may be right about his healthcare program you are missing the boat on what is going on here, it is the total destruction of the White race.

Auto Mechanic wrote:

...dislike the military...

I don't know anyone that dislikes our military. We all (as far as I know) honor and respect them. The vast majority has however voiced their disdain for the prior commander in chief's (who was by the way a republican) misuse and abuse of our military (the Bush administration tried to turn our department of defense into his own department of offense).

On a side note (just so you know and it is clear) I honor and respect all who serve the greater good, including many politicians (as long as they first and foremost serve the public rather than the artificial entities).

The little man-child community organizer in the White House, and the bo11sheviks in Congress, are ignoring the jobless and focused on implamenting European socialism in the United States.

The little man-child community organizer in the White House, and the bo11sheviks in Congress, are ignoring the jobless and focused on implementing European socialism in the United States.

ManChild wrote:

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interesting use of teabag, manchild@aol

http://www.markfiore.com/political/learn-spea...

The little man-child community organizer in chief at the White House, and the bo11sheviks in Congress, are deliberately ignoring the jobless and focused on implementing European socialism in the United States.

The Democrat's "stimulus package" was designed to bolster the democrat’s re-election, all over the country.

Only 14% of this Democrat slush-fund has been spent to date. Watch the acceleration in spending as the 2010 election cycle nears.

Targeted tax cuts for small business is the proven method to create jobs. The Democrat's won't do it because they don't care about creating jobs, it's all about installing the European socialist system in the United States, ironically while Europeans are moving away from their failed experience with socialism.

Auroranorth wrote:

<quoted text>a guy that puts a member of the AIPAC in as ambassador to iran does not hate Jews he works for them, while you may be right about his healthcare program you are missing the boat on what is going on here, it is the total destruction of the White race.

Beginning with the Hate Crime Bill,The most anti White race,and racist document ever!