Court rules state failed on trust lands - Hawaii News

Dept. of Hawaiian Home Lands definitely dropped the ball and could have place more Hawaiians onto Hawaiian Homes land but I hope the court takes into consideration the ability of those suing to have actually qualified for a mortgage to build a home onto the land.

If you are a taxi driver, a lei seller, a janitor, etc., you probably wouldn't have been able to qualify for a construction loan to build a house onto a lot. The State Tax Office should have copies of the plaintiffs' tax returns so it is possible to determine whether a person is able to qualify for a home mortgage.

Watch while the politicians in robes on the Supreme Court and/or the dim bulbs in the Legislature and/or the Palin look-and-sound alike Governor, all work together to defeat this victory for justice. Hawaiians [real Hawaiians, Hawaiian nationals] have been wronged since 1893. It is time for the U.S. to make preparations to exit. Was language suppression an accident? Nope. Was an inferior public school system an accident? Nope. Was the mishandling of these lands an accident? Nope. The plan was always to stall, suppress, discourage and erase.

this is a p.s. to the prior post. The State of Hawaii's "failure" was not an accident nor a innocent mistake. There is a difference between unintentional incompetence and intentional sabotage. The State intentionally did not process claims in a timely fashion.

When you depend on the government to do the "right thing" you will always be disappointed, regardless of race, creed, or color. Time spent waiting is time wasted, the harder you work the luckier you are. Government will only let you down.

Many Hawaiian people just gave up! My parents tried but you can't win when they refuse to be honest! As for the ability for a taxi driver,lei seller or a janitor to pay or get a mortgage, that is the question we will never know you never gave them a chance.
If you are not Hawi"i born you do not belong here.
"Kill Haole Day"

Many misinformed posts so far. The Hawaiian Homes Commission Act, 1920, together with the Admission Act, 1959, Section 4 federal-state compact and Section 5(f) land trust, are expressions in law of the United States "treating" of the common native Hawaiian tenants cheated by the corrupt Kingdom of Hawaii's Mahele of 1848. This class (which included defeated, dispossessed and disinherited alii whom left without land became common tenants), were identified and supposed to have received one-third of the communal lands. Although Kam III and the Greedy 245 Chiefs and Konohiki, both got their one-third share, their corrupt Kingdom intentionally cheated the native tenants out of their one-third, and converted such undelivered share into "Government Lands." Driven off their ancestral lands to the urban centers of Hilo, Lahaina and Honolulu, as examples, these native tenants were left abandoned by the Kingdom to eek out their sad existence in squalid poverty, destitution and homeless vagrants. So abysmal were their condition, teetering on the edge of extinction, that the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA investigated their condition and then moved to treat this discrete class under the Hawaiian Homes Commission Act, 1920.

Only the ignorant blame the United States, and want to restore a remnant of the corrupt Kingdom in various guises, from OHA to those led by felons, frauds and con-artists in these various sundry anti-American "Sovereignty" groups you see marching around, painting sheets or otherwise displaying their lack of education.

I was surprised to see realmerv's post, as he has advocated mis-use of Hawaiian Home Lands, by leasing such lands to persons, parties and entities not contemplated under the Hawaiian Homes Act, and unjustly enrich such through commercial use of these lands dedicated to native Hawaiians. You're all over the map, realmerv. You are either with us or not. No come over here and try get in on the win, when you have advocated misuse of our lands by non-native Hawaiians in order to enrich them and the politically connected. More better you no say nothing.

This decision is a MAJOR victory for the beneficiaries.

The effort to cheat these beneficiaries range from that advanced by realmerv (misuse of Hawaiian Home Lands by non-beneficiaries), all the way to inventing a fake Indian tribe comprised of ANYBODY with as little as 1/64th part-Hawaiian and even less under the Akaka bill, all the way over to OHA right now ripping off these beneficiaries of their Section 5(f) monies, and which monies were supposed to be used to put these native Hawaiians (you know, the REAL kine) onto their undelivered share encumbered in the HHCA and 5(f) lands.

Good Job!

Breach of Trust-If you think by posting under a different name to disguise your hatred/distaste for tha Hawaiians...you are mistakened. After 30+ years, do you think you can slime on by? No..KC.
You and your mis-information/fraudulant verses of our history we know will always be there to create an obstacle or two but we will also be persistant in making the violations into resolves. The demeaning of our history is offensive but only the ignorant will believe you. So..what now? The judge is all wrong? What will you possibly say now to discredit that verdict? Ho'i loa.
The state will appeal this verdict causing a longer wait for the Hawaiians. Does anyone really think that there is an inventory of the lands put "aside" for DHHL? Thru all the decieving and corruption that has gone on thruout the past years? Leasing to non-Hawaiians..land swaps...denying applicants????? Waiting all these years to get justice-just delaying in hopes that the Hawaiians will diminish their "blood quantum" so that the state can sell these lands? The trust of this government has never been established nor proven. Perhaps it is time for the Hawaiians to end this "in trust" obligation and turn over the lands to the people that it really belongs to for it is clear that the neglect has proven us right.

The "hawaiian nation" should not be entitled to any benefits from the state because they are not part of the state. They are an independant nation, and have their own laws and governing body.

Nihenu wrote:

Many Hawaiian people just gave up! My parents tried but you can't win when they refuse to be honest! As for the ability for a taxi driver,lei seller or a janitor to pay or get a mortgage, that is the question we will never know you never gave them a chance.
If you are not Hawi"i born you do not belong here.
"Kill Haole Day"

First of all... That's a terrible thing to say. Secondly "Nihenu" in Hawaiian translates to..."one of fair skin and light hair" sounds like a haole to me. look it up.

What happened here? My family came up and refused what was offered at least three times that I remember, due to my being in the military, so we went to the bottom of the list again. When I got out we came up and got a homestead. How does someone sit at the bottom of the list for thirty years without ever getting awarded? There are also many homes in Homesteads setting empty for years at a time, two or three on my street alone. There are many families that haven't made a mortgage payment in years with no action taken either, and the houses are full of druggies. Something is drastically wrong.

tita inside wrote:

Breach of Trust-If you think by posting under a different name to disguise your hatred/distaste for tha Hawaiians...you are mistakened. After 30+ years, do you think you can slime on by? No..KC.
You and your mis-information/fraudulant verses of our history we know will always be there to create an obstacle or two but we will also be persistant in making the violations into resolves. The demeaning of our history is offensive but only the ignorant will believe you. So..what now? The judge is all wrong? What will you possibly say now to discredit that verdict? Ho'i loa.
The state will appeal this verdict causing a longer wait for the Hawaiians. Does anyone really think that there is an inventory of the lands put "aside" for DHHL? Thru all the decieving and corruption that has gone on thruout the past years? Leasing to non-Hawaiians..land swaps...denying applicants????? Waiting all these years to get justice-just delaying in hopes that the Hawaiians will diminish their "blood quantum" so that the state can sell these lands? The trust of this government has never been established nor proven. Perhaps it is time for the Hawaiians to end this "in trust" obligation and turn over the lands to the people that it really belongs to for it is clear that the neglect has proven us right.

Your post is evidence that some cannot read nor understand English. Hence, the ascription of the "Dumb Kanaka." Except, alot of you are not "kanaka" but go around telling others you are.

OR your post is evidence that you live in fantasy-land, and consciously choose to ignore the historical evidence as to just how corrupt your Kingdom of Hawaii was.

The Mahele of 1848 is what you should be studying, lolo.

NOT the tired, old, "feel sorry for Mrs. Dominis and me, because I 'Hawaiian'" ploy OHA and you Akaka bill or "give us back our corrupt Kingdom, if not, we take cash" plan.

The whole concept of your "Monarchy" is a foreign, European-import. It was A.P.E.D. the ruling alii that used your "Monarchy" to rip off us common native Hawaiian tenants and heirs.

Live in denial if you want, but not the rest of us are as stupid as you.

You, your sovereingty con-artists (including OHA and Akaka bill lobbyists,) can BET YOU LAST DIME that the United States Supreme Court is NOT as stupid as all of you put together.

That is why education is so important.

And, in your case, you may want to improve your understanding of reality and relating your view too, by keeping a dictionary close by.

khi wrote:

Watch while the politicians in robes on the Supreme Court and/or the dim bulbs in the Legislature and/or the Palin look-and-sound alike Governor, all work together to defeat this victory for justice. Hawaiians [real Hawaiians, Hawaiian nationals] have been wronged since 1893. It is time for the U.S. to make preparations to exit. Was language suppression an accident? Nope. Was an inferior public school system an accident? Nope. Was the mishandling of these lands an accident? Nope. The plan was always to stall, suppress, discourage and erase.

The cheap Palin shot takes away from your post.

Can of worms. If the Hawaiian people have been cheated then it's only fair to rectify the situation. Yet there will be racial tension which Hawaii does not need. We were all born on planet earth. No one really has exclusive rights to anything except taxes and death of course. The Hawaiian people originally came from China anyway as per the U of H. Yet it's true they have been here longer. Interesting that the Chinese and Micronesian will really claim Hawaii as their own in time because there are a lot more of them than there are Hawaiians. Hawaiians are great people with a great culture yet like I said this is a can of worms.

Love to all.

Nihenu wrote:

Many Hawaiian people just gave up! My parents tried but you can't win when they refuse to be honest! As for the ability for a taxi driver,lei seller or a janitor to pay or get a mortgage, that is the question we will never know you never gave them a chance.
If you are not Hawi"i born you do not belong here.
"Kill Haole Day"

You spelled Hawai'i wrong. What an idiot

Please note that the years of neglect defined in the suit are the peak years of Plantation Asian Democrat control.

The "nice guys" who told Hawaiians "eh, no worry, us guyz all localz now", "us localz (AJA immigrants) going take keah U". "U jus gotta wach out da Haole boogieman" "dey going put us on da plantation eef we no stik toogeddah".

Yep. The plantation Asian democrats swept into complete power in 1959 to do good. And they did very well indeed.

Meanwhile, trust obligations made by the state and federal government were totally ignored.

Interesting side bar. During many of those years, the quite but efficient George Ariyoshi was governor.

He had 40 something staff people over his 8 years as governor.

Guess how many were Japanese.

100%. That's right every single one.

You think George was thinking about Hawaiians when he was the governor?

Von wrote:

Can of worms. If the Hawaiian people have been cheated then it's only fair to rectify the situation. Yet there will be racial tension which Hawaii does not need. We were all born on planet earth. No one really has exclusive rights to anything except taxes and death of course. The Hawaiian people originally came from China anyway as per the U of H. Yet it's true they have been here longer. Interesting that the Chinese and Micronesian will really claim Hawaii as their own in time because there are a lot more of them than there are Hawaiians. Hawaiians are great people with a great culture yet like I said this is a can of worms.
Love to all.

If any non-Hawaiian is not comfortable with "tension" created by the presence of their immigrant elemu, they can leave.

dog eat dog world wrote:

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You spelled Hawai'i wrong. What an idiot

Ha, Ha What an idoit

dog eat dog world wrote:

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You spelled Hawai'i wrong. What an idiot

Foaming at the mouth is known to cause spelling errors.

I have no idea how the judge is going to determine the award to those who waited for so long for homestead land...it seems like it's going to be a slippery slope of conjecture....who can say how much their lives would be improved, or conversely, damaged by getting the land.
I am reminded of an X-Files episode where a genie grants Mulder one wish, and he asks for world peace. The genie responds by making everyone else on earth disappear, leaving only Mulder...and a peaceful world.
Sometimes what you think will be a good thing might not be so good...for the majority of the people, I'm sure getting the land would be a good thing, but for some it could have led to all kinds of problems. It's human nature.
So how can one person determine what could have happened?

tita inside wrote:

Breach of Trust-If you think by posting under a different name to disguise your hatred/distaste for tha Hawaiians...you are mistakened. After 30+ years, do you think you can slime on by? blah blah blah...

you're hawaiian history is all bunk. all of these hawaiians that think they should have a seperate kingdom or state are truly living in a fantasy.
if you want a taste of what that will be like, go to niihau