Northern Ireland police seize bomb, guns in swoop against IRA dissidents

Oct 14, 2007 Full story: International Herald Tribune 459

DUBLIN, Ireland : Northern Ireland police said they seized a bomb, firearms and ammunition and were interrogating nine suspected IRA dissidents Friday following a two-day search of hard-line Catholic areas. via International Herald Tribune

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Vista Sux

UK

#2 Oct 16, 2007
Execute them.
American

Springfield, MO

#3 Oct 16, 2007
Here we go again.
cromwells ghost

France

#4 Oct 29, 2007
sellar and yeatman,in their famous book
1066 and all that said with uncommon
perception that the main reason why the
irish question had never been solved was that whenever the english found the right answer
the irish very unsportingly changed the
question
nothing ever changes with the irish
accept thier cowardice
Francis

Netherlands

#5 Oct 30, 2007
They are searching only Catholic areas, they made that terrible mistake before (in 9th August 1971). 300 Catholics 0 protestants. While in 2005 Protestant para's shot a several hundreds of bullets on policeman. Why arent they searching in protestant areas too goddamnit? It was just naive to split Ireland in 2 parts in 1916. topographical and historical there should be 1 Irish republic with 32 counties, it will be soon (for my Irish family!). Tiocfaidh Ar La
Francis

Netherlands

#6 Oct 30, 2007
I ment in 21, got condused with the eastern rising.
cromwells ghost

France

#7 Nov 1, 2007
francis read some history
on ireland your dates are a
bit out
Jim

Liverpool, UK

#8 Nov 1, 2007
Francis wrote:
They are searching only Catholic areas, they made that terrible mistake before (in 9th August 1971). 300 Catholics 0 protestants. While in 2005 Protestant para's shot a several hundreds of bullets on policeman. Why arent they searching in protestant areas too goddamnit? It was just naive to split Ireland in 2 parts in 1916. topographical and historical there should be 1 Irish republic with 32 counties, it will be soon (for my Irish family!). Tiocfaidh Ar La
Another 'patriot' who doesn't live there.
Ben Clardy

Topeka, KS

#9 Nov 1, 2007
Arrogant Brits! How can anyone defend what the Brits have done to Ireland and Scotland? Ireland for the Irish!
cromwells ghost

France

#10 Nov 2, 2007
ben clardy the scots are brits,
as are the northern irish.
you sound like another ignorant
yank who knows f all about the
history of the british isles,
do a little bit reserch you then
wont appear to be so dumb.
Jim

Liverpool, UK

#11 Nov 3, 2007
Ben Clardy wrote:
Arrogant Brits! How can anyone defend what the Brits have done to Ireland and Scotland? Ireland for the Irish!
I take it this is a troll. This is the problem with Topix. It gets dragged down like this. Nobody is that ignorant.
kronenbourg

France

#12 Nov 3, 2007
jim the guys a yank say no more
Jim

Liverpool, UK

#14 Nov 4, 2007
charlie wrote:
being a former IRA member i have come to realize that the only way to get it into these fucking brits head that ireland needs to be independant, is to wage war. people in america say that what their ancestors did was right in the revolution but what us irish do is wrong. if the brits dont leave they need to be killed. attack them, their childeren or anyone else who stops irish independence.~Charlie (CIRA)
More fear and nationalism. That is always the answer for some. I never know if people are this stupid or trolling. How can one ever tell?

My Dad was Irish and we both wanted a united Ireland, but you undermined us. Most Irish people know what you are and so oppose you. The main thing is that we all oppose fanatical nationalist or 'religious' and killers. That is the way forward as all but the stupid can see.
Charlie

Natick, MA

#15 Nov 5, 2007
I want peace to. We have tried it and it did not work for years there has been a ceasefire and it has done nothing. I want peace. i hate the fact that i have harmed people but it had to be done. My Uncle was one of the hunger strikers in the eighties. He died of starvation in a british prison. he did not kill or harm anyone and yet the british would not even let us bury his body for weeks after he died ( which is against IRA burial rights) I hate war. I hate killing. I hate knowing i have taken a life of another person. I hate thinking about the families ive broken... but it has to be done. If england wants peace then remove your troops and i promis that there will be no more killing.
~CHARLIE
Jim

Liverpool, UK

#16 Nov 5, 2007
Charlie wrote:
I want peace to. We have tried it and it did not work for years there has been a ceasefire and it has done nothing. I want peace. i hate the fact that i have harmed people but it had to be done. My Uncle was one of the hunger strikers in the eighties. He died of starvation in a british prison. he did not kill or harm anyone and yet the british would not even let us bury his body for weeks after he died ( which is against IRA burial rights) I hate war. I hate killing. I hate knowing i have taken a life of another person. I hate thinking about the families ive broken... but it has to be done. If england wants peace then remove your troops and i promis that there will be no more killing.
~CHARLIE
Most likely you are making this up for your own amusement, but lets suppose that you are a violent fanatic who thinks murdering children can be justifiable.(US children too of course. If someone feels the USA is at fault somewhere.) Why do you think Ireland is not free? What is 'unfree' about it? Northern Ireland can leave the Union anytime it likes. The English wouldn‘t mind. It might help the English economy on the whole perhaps. I never met an English person who cared less what Northern Ireland did. Of course, I am just someone who lived there for years and knows these lands and their people intimately. Do you not accept that the people of Northern Ireland have a right to self determination?
Charlie

Natick, MA

#17 Nov 5, 2007
see this is what i like. people talking about issues. just get one thing strait. the people of northern ireland do not have the freedom to leave at anytime. northern ireland used to be a part of ireland when it was one country, but then the british came and took all of ireland. in 1916 the IRA was formed and they attacked the british. in those times the british were out numbered and out guned. they gave southern ireland back in defeat. they moved all their troops to the north and created a strong hold in the 6 counties there. the people of northern ireland have a right to self determination and the only thing stoping them from doing so is the british.
I am not making this up and if you choose to belive this or not i can not help it. I have given up fighting because i saw all the pain it caused. i know that you might not understand this but i do want peace, but i also want freedom. by freedom i do not mean physical freedom, since there has not been slavery in ireland for hundreds of years, i mean political freedom. Most people in the north want ireland to be united. Belive it or not about 43% want ireland to be one country. Ireland started out free and was invaded. now i realize killing might not be an answer for you. i agree fighting will not solve all the answers. the tactic is used because the IRA hopes to wear out the british. if the british do not care then why dont they leave? why fight for a land you dont care about?

~CHARLIE
Sean Joseph Ronan

Yorktown Heights, NY

#18 Nov 5, 2007
The Irish resolve will rise again mark my words and then you will see that the word cowardice is not nor was it ever applicable. you think it wrong to fight for the freedom to live in independence. would you not fight if some one came and took all that you loved all that you held dear; they came into your home and said now this is mine and you must obey me. would you lie down like a dog faithful to his master ..... or would you say go to hell this is mine I earned this my people earned this through the sweat and blood of my ancestors I earned my freedom and you and no other will take it from me. It is always easy to be passive and have and opinion when you don't live something first hand. hell you might even believe in your ideals that fighting is a waste of time passionately that hell they should just reform get it over with ....give up . but I am a strong believer one should never put these passions before there principles even if they loose in the end. and Ireland is a place that the honer and traditions of its principles are what make it great. so write what you will but do not ever knock the men and women who are willing to give there lives so that there children may live there lives free of the oppression and the terrony of a foreign place.

If history show us anything it is that freedom of life is held in the highest regard Egypt, Russia, America, Japan many others all have one thing in common freedom to live as they wish.

Tiocfaidh ár lá
Wingnut1971

India

#19 Nov 6, 2007
Sean Joseph Ronan and all the rest of you provo supporters. Dry your eyes. All you lot are good for is whinging about a past that is so long ago that no one alive can remember it.

If it wasn't us Brits you were crying about it would be something or someone else. You don't have any more right to this land than I do. Sure if you go back far enough the gaels took ulster from the Scots. When the planters came in the 17th century they were coming back to their own lands.

I know full well that your kind like to support killing and murder because it helps you to compensate for the feelings of inferiority that is so pervasive among you.(let's face it what has Catholic Ireland given to the world except leprechauns and paedophile preasts?) but I and many others have not forgotten your crimes and we are still waiting for the day when we get to give you some 'pay back'
Jim

Liverpool, UK

#20 Nov 6, 2007
Thank you Charlie. I agree it would be nice to talk sensibly. And objectively. None of the history of which you speak (and skew) is relevant. The question is who must decide what happens in modern Northern Ireland? It’s the people who live there. The problem was and is nationalism itself.(Not Irish specifically).“Why fight for a land you don’t care about?” Exactly! Why do you? When you threaten to kill me and my children, you must be opposed. I agree you are at war, the British are not. The IRA and Noraid are the motors of the conflict. The English see it as a fight against terrorists who threaten democracy. The English have always been as tolerant towards my Irish family as anybody surrounded by many immigrants generally are. Consider the debate on immigration in the USA. The English also support the Northern Irish right to self determination. You are definitely mistaken if you believe they support appeasement or terrorism, though I am aware of the arguments that allow one to perceive them as doing so.

What is important? You talk of a united Ireland like it is a holy grail. That thinking is evil. What generates the most prosperity is germane. Whether or not N-Irish choose to be British is none of our business, agreed? For there to be real peace you have to identify with the pro-unionists as much as you do with the pro-republican, or else you are bound to seriously biased. That is what turns otherwise peaceful people into fanatics - nationalism.(Not patriotism). Though British, I am not pro-British, or pro-Irish.

Typically, contributor SJR said:‘you think it wrong to fight for the freedom to live in independence’. What does ‘freedom’ mean? It means the freedom to choose. Both possibilities must be equally respected:‘Unionism’ and a ‘united Ireland’. The British or unionist position is hampered as nationalists were repressed in Northern Ireland and discriminated against. The nationalist mistake was chosing terrorism as a solution, not Satyagraha for instance, or an Irish form of it. They decided killing evil people like me would help.

My family saw the British as people and not as ‘them’. Could some of your best friends be British, or do we all look alike? I am always ready to believe I might be mistaken. That must work both ways though and in my experience, Irish nationalists are uncompromising. Also, a discussion requires that we agree some relevant facts, for instance I do not necessarily accept your 43% nationalist figure. That is a minority anyway!

I am not prepared to discuss this further with a self-confessed killer unless you are prepared to renounce violence permanently and agree that it is a matter for the ballot box. You must also agree that a solution must be acceptable to the Unionists in Northern Ireland. Why would you want people who feel discriminated against and treated as second class in their own country? The problem in Northern Ireland is that the nationalists were made to feel that way. These preconditions are no a pill to swallow. They are necessary to ensure that we do not have a conflict, or one of us would lose. Neither of us must lose. We must learn to respect each other. I love all people equally. Not some nationalist or unionist ideology and you and I do not want unionist terrorists to replace nationalist ones.(I would also need time for this. Don‘t you lot work? I might not get back for a while.)
Joseph Doyle

Belfast, UK

#21 Nov 6, 2007
Why is there so much silence from the news media about the tons of guns still held by the unionest terrorist alliance.
Sean Joseph Ronan

Yorktown Heights, NY

#22 Nov 6, 2007
Ireland is for the irish,
you pompus gobshite you think because you pollute our land with your presence you have a right to be there if you think we cowards then show me your friends and Ill tell you what you are. yes i maybe in the states but if I could come home I would look foward to kicking every square inch of your ass. But your wrong I want peace but not at the cost of the right to live as I want im not hiding in the states Im mearly liveing here unfortunatly but as I am the tale of this countrys independence is just as hanus but in the end of it all; we were independent from forign rule and ireland will be aswell

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