How valuable is a college degree?

One gazillionth of the Book of Mormon.

It's not worth crap if you can't find a job that pays you enough to hold up that big fat student loan.

No value whatsoever. America is only Obama Nation now. The Kool Thing now is to get a cushy public sector job and force your neighbors to pay more and settle for less. Why put in the effort and shoulder the expense of getting a useless Degree. Sloth is IN.

Susan Rothman wrote:

No value whatsoever. America is only Obama Nation now. The Kool Thing now is to get a cushy public sector job and force your neighbors to pay more and settle for less. Why put in the effort and shoulder the expense of getting a useless Degree. Sloth is IN.

That's funny. I tend to see it as 'greed is in.'

PayThat CEO wrote:

It's not worth crap if you can't find a job that pays you enough to hold up that big fat student loan.

Not true. you listen to gossip and slander to much.

Many places were owned of $, not of intellect or training. So nobody will hire a degree becaus ethey knew the law and contact numbers for misconduct in the field. Nobody would have a job, as at any aduit of accounts, feds can come in at any time in a lifetime and fire on the spot all without degree and license creditals per job, then they reassign to any staff memebr huge work loads of all departments and permit minor reprimand while they play catch up to learn everyones job. At which point Federal arrest on all without degree and license as you broke every law threw talking at work to each other, table talking a persons life, profiling and gossiping, giving out name or addrress of clients or even co-workers. COnspiracies to profile , harm, disrupt repute, gossip, slander, andything that compromised psyche or repute or job loss, health injury or finance or paying or co-hearseing others to slander and siregard them as well, is consecutive life sentneces in prison, AND IF they want to be REAL about it, transport to a State that permits executions for the crimes as this and all other nations hold death penatly to be.

Jaimie wrote:

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Not true. you listen to gossip and slander to much.
Many places were owned of $, not of intellect or training. So nobody will hire a degree becaus ethey knew the law and contact numbers for misconduct in the field. Nobody would have a job, as at any aduit of accounts, feds can come in at any time in a lifetime and fire on the spot all without degree and license creditals per job, then they reassign to any staff memebr huge work loads of all departments and permit minor reprimand while they play catch up to learn everyones job. At which point Federal arrest on all without degree and license as you broke every law threw talking at work to each other, table talking a persons life, profiling and gossiping, giving out name or addrress of clients or even co-workers. COnspiracies to profile , harm, disrupt repute, gossip, slander, andything that compromised psyche or repute or job loss, health injury or finance or paying or co-hearseing others to slander and siregard them as well, is consecutive life sentneces in prison, AND IF they want to be REAL about it, transport to a State that permits executions for the crimes as this and all other nations hold death penatly to be.

I can't make heads or tails of this.

Jaimie wrote:

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Not true. you listen to gossip and slander to much.
Many places were owned of $, not of intellect or training. So nobody will hire a degree becaus ethey knew the law and contact numbers for misconduct in the field. Nobody would have a job, as at any aduit of accounts, feds can come in at any time in a lifetime and fire on the spot all without degree and license creditals per job, then they reassign to any staff memebr huge work loads of all departments and permit minor reprimand while they play catch up to learn everyones job. At which point Federal arrest on all without degree and license as you broke every law threw talking at work to each other, table talking a persons life, profiling and gossiping, giving out name or addrress of clients or even co-workers. COnspiracies to profile , harm, disrupt repute, gossip, slander, andything that compromised psyche or repute or job loss, health injury or finance or paying or co-hearseing others to slander and siregard them as well, is consecutive life sentneces in prison, AND IF they want to be REAL about it, transport to a State that permits executions for the crimes as this and all other nations hold death penatly to be.

Jaimie, welcome back. I missed your razer-sharp insights.

You are the new George Orwell!
Write more, but use paragraphs.

What should we expect of college graduates:
1. literate people who have an understanding of literature, the arts, science and, and the role of free people in society and government OR
2. technocrats with skills to make money for themselves and their employers?

If you answer # 2 then why not let private companies provide a college education. After all it is an investment in their profitability. Why sould the public subsidize them?

Can grow lentals for lent....

What works?

Want equal rights? Pay for ur own college....

Consider the Ant thou sluggard...They make crop circles and eat roots....

Questioner wrote:

What should we expect of college graduates:
1. literate people who have an understanding of literature, the arts, science and, and the role of free people in society and government OR
2. technocrats with skills to make money for themselves and their employers?
If you answer # 2 then why not let private companies provide a college education. After all it is an investment in their profitability. Why sould the public subsidize them?

I love your way of thinking!

Questioner wrote:

What should we expect of college graduates:
1. literate people who have an understanding of literature, the arts, science and, and the role of free people in society and government OR
2. technocrats with skills to make money for themselves and their employers?
If you answer # 2 then why not let private companies provide a college education. After all it is an investment in their profitability. Why sould the public subsidize them?

Number 1 is a fine choice for those with family money or family businesses to take over.

Number 2 is the practical choice for everyone else

I'm all for LETTING private companies pay for college, but most WON'T. After all, it's mainly an investment in the EMPLOYEE'S best interest.

The public SHOULD NOT subsidize those in category Number 1. The taxpayers end up either subsidizing well-off kids or subsidizing regular kids poor choice of coursework which will lead them to crushing debts and low-paying jobs. These outcomes are good for neither student nor society.

konrouy wrote:

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Number 1 is a fine choice for those with family money or family businesses to take over.
Number 2 is the practical choice for everyone else
I'm all for LETTING private companies pay for college, but most WON'T. After all, it's mainly an investment in the EMPLOYEE'S best interest.
The public SHOULD NOT subsidize those in category Number 1. The taxpayers end up either subsidizing well-off kids or subsidizing regular kids poor choice of coursework which will lead them to crushing debts and low-paying jobs. These outcomes are good for neither student nor society.

You don't believe science is something we should be investing in?

Questioner wrote:

What should we expect of college graduates:
1. literate people who have an understanding of literature, the arts, science and, and the role of free people in society and government OR
2. technocrats with skills to make money for themselves and their employers?
If you answer # 2 then why not let private companies provide a college education. After all it is an investment in their profitability. Why sould the public subsidize them?

Unfortunately, most private companies don't have training programs, nor do they want to spend the money on them.

In terms of accomplishment and a sense of self-worth, a college degree is priceless. In terms of practicality, not so much.

PayThat CEO wrote:

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You don't believe science is something we should be investing in?

Science is the exception to what was cited. You think that majoring in "literature, the arts, and the role of free people in society and government" should be taxpayer-funded for kids needing to earn a real living for themselves? I sure don't. Either study something with real-world marketability in college or don't go.

konrouy wrote:

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Science is the exception to what was cited. You think that majoring in "literature, the arts, and the role of free people in society and government" should be taxpayer-funded for kids needing to earn a real living for themselves? I sure don't. Either study something with real-world marketability in college or don't go.

Personally, I think ANYTHING that can be learned is important. I think education, in and of itself, makes a nation stronger and more vital. Intelligence should not be contained solely to that which is marketable. Some of the world's genius's did not originally study in the arenas where they eventually excelled.

It's ashame that we spend more money on defense than we do on education. Maybe it things were just the opposite we would create a population smart enough to keep us from being at constant war.

Cleo wrote:

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Unfortunately, most private companies don't have training programs, nor do they want to spend the money on them.
In terms of accomplishment and a sense of self-worth, a college degree is priceless. In terms of practicality, not so much.

If one must pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to have a college degree to feel a sense of self-worth, then that's a sad testament to a nation that believes everything can be bought.

Believe it not, prior to 25 or 30 years ago, a college education wasn't the end all to beat all. You could still be intelligent. You could still get a job. You could still be someone. You could still have self-worth.

Now that higher education has become a huge money-making racket for schools and banks and the government...why now it's necessary for self-worth? I would think college grads would feel just the opposite. Up to their eyeballs in debt and having to live at home and work at Whole Foods isn't exactly what I'd call a self-worth building experience.

Mr_Bill wrote:

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Jaimie, welcome back. I missed your razer-sharp insights.
You are the new George Orwell!
Write more, but use paragraphs.

Who is George Orwell Im a traumatic Brain injury 43 year old female.

Finacial aide office, will assist, once upon a time I thought BANKS give loans to school, and was denied for years. Then I found Taking Hold program with Welfare office that helped relise financial aide office does grants and loans not the bank.

Payoff is done after graduation and can be consolidated to $25 a month payment, there is unlwaful interest on accoutns so pay off your own loan and take interest to court you probably owe $1000 more not $35,000.

Degree and lisence is not to be disputed by civilan public or working secter, if someone slanders you, sue them or who they work for . They go to prison for compromising the integrity of a license and faltering your growth and capabilites and boycotted clients and exteem, they go to prison for disruption of livelihood conspiracy to profile and harm repute and finance, and owe you what ever the college marketed you at.

SO if someone slandered me or my degree, it is prison and $60,000 a year they owe me for as long as it takes to get at least 25 clients a year again.

Got the jist? I'm not a litarcy major, so I have no ethics board going over my grammitical errors whatso ever. Mine is putting a check in a box of what a client appears to have and trasnferring with a referal to the most comptent esteem in the field I need confirmed, makeing police reports on their behalf, and finding a Attorney for their life suit, Then devices a remodeling of thought process as a human being what is that persons acoutnability to home and bills and assisting keep focused, and taking out all people out of daily planner, so they can have their lfie desires traveled and explored not their family and friends and to FINANCE their own home not all others as a co-dependency of being in a crowd. That was highschool desire not adult mentality.

My only trade is to be able to sign my name on form. Im not proud my signature stinks too. I hit my head a ferw times and have braion truama so writing and calculous is stuck at about 4th grade. Good thing I did not want to go in those fields eh.