Should same-sex marriage become legal?

Sep 25, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: MLive.com

Between 2000 and 2005, the number of same-sex couples in the United States increased by more than 20 percent, according to the Williams Institute, a think tank concerned with laws and public policy related to sexual orientation.

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In after thought of new evidence you can say that of what we know exists. But just a mere century ago, most all of the Bible was one complete fairy tale to science, scholars and the educated and to most of the populace that weren't religious or had little religion/belief in their life.
Do you know that on top of the tallest mountains of the world you can find sea fossils and ancient snail type shells having once been the home of sea creatures laying on the ground, under the snow and ice that melts away each summer? These mountains are a mile to a few miles high or more.
Scientists say these fossils and shells are from now extinct seas and oceans that the mountain was once a sea/ocean floor of. That as the crust and heaved, that floor pushed up and up and up till it became a mountain, taking with it the ocean/sea floor fossils/shells to it's peak and that is how they got there.
Enters the matter of erosion. Erosion happens over millions of years, shrinking the height of those mountains but leaving those fossils and shells in place. A rather convient explanation one would think.
See with that explanation, one should be able to follow the erosion of the mountain down wards and finds tens of thousands and more fossils and shells all around it's base, on top of the ground and buried for many feet deep. The streams and rivers coming from these mountains would have carried those fossils and shells to the end of their course. It should be a huge dumping ground of fossils and shells.
But none of that exists as it should if what they say is correct. Therefore they can't be correct. Therefore it just remains a plausible theory, to explain how ocean fossils and shells ended up on the tops of mountains from a mile to a few miles high in height and, not being washed away by erosion.
There is no way to prove a flood happened. But neither is there any way to prove it didn't happen.
The story is absurd, so we know it didn't happen.
140,000 birds on a boat lined with tar for a year!? Have you cleaned up a bird cage with one bird in it? Don't you realize how much food would have been needed to feed them?
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no, goofy... that was only jeremiah... nobody else.
My friend, he is God. If he knows one, he knows all.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah...you've spouted this line before. God doesn't WANT to send people to hell...he just HAS to.
Your god is sick.
My friend, this is not what I have said. What I say is that God does NOT want anyone to go to Hell, but WE send ourselves there.

What do you mean by sick? Was it sick when Jesus saw each sin and was tormented by Satan as he stood before Christ accusing man of being unworthy of such a sacrifice?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah...you've spouted this line before. God doesn't WANT to send people to hell...he just HAS to.
Your god is sick.
My friend, this is not what I said. What I said was that God does NOT want anyone to go to Hell, but WE send ourselves there because we choose too.

What do you mean sick?

Was it sick when Jesus went through a agony in the Garden where he took on all the sin?

He saw each sin and was tormented by Satan as he stood before Christ accusing man of being unworthy of such a sacrifice.

Was it sick when Jesus was arrested and dragged by ropes and chains to be accused by the priests, along the way he was mocked kicked and punched,even spat on, he was judged by false witnesses and sentenced to death by the people claiming to represent God?

Was it sick when Jesus was Whipped and had his flesh torn of exposing his bones?

Was it sick when Jesus Had nails hammered into his hands and feet. He was lifted up and hung. He suffered severely as the heart and lungs where no longer able to work, he affixated and this is the worst way to die. He could hardly speak but managed to by raising his body to free the lungs,to get a breath to speak,His body shook and his nerves all exposed shot unbelievable pain through his body.

Was it sick when Lastly he had to look into the eyes of his Mother standing in agony at the foot of the cross to tell her that he will make things new, and when he looked up into the Heavens and told his Father that IT IS FINISHED.

My friend, I dont find anything sick with Jesus dieing for us.

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My friend, this is not what I have said. What I say is that God does NOT want anyone to go to Hell, but WE send ourselves there.
What do you mean by sick? Was it sick when Jesus saw each sin and was tormented by Satan as he stood before Christ accusing man of being unworthy of such a sacrifice?
I referred to your god as sick because any being that is all knowing and all powerful and still feels that it is okay to create a lake of fire to burn lesser beings in for a million times a billion times a trillion years is seriously, seriously ill.

PS - no one would "choose" to go to hell. You're not making sense.

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My friend, this is not what I said. What I said was that God does NOT want anyone to go to Hell, but WE send ourselves there because we choose too.
What do you mean sick?
Was it sick when Jesus went through a agony in the Garden where he took on all the sin?
He saw each sin and was tormented by Satan as he stood before Christ accusing man of being unworthy of such a sacrifice.
Was it sick when Jesus was arrested and dragged by ropes and chains to be accused by the priests, along the way he was mocked kicked and punched,even spat on, he was judged by false witnesses and sentenced to death by the people claiming to represent God?
Was it sick when Jesus was Whipped and had his flesh torn of exposing his bones?
Was it sick when Jesus Had nails hammered into his hands and feet. He was lifted up and hung. He suffered severely as the heart and lungs where no longer able to work, he affixated and this is the worst way to die. He could hardly speak but managed to by raising his body to free the lungs,to get a breath to speak,His body shook and his nerves all exposed shot unbelievable pain through his body.
Was it sick when Lastly he had to look into the eyes of his Mother standing in agony at the foot of the cross to tell her that he will make things new, and when he looked up into the Heavens and told his Father that IT IS FINISHED.
My friend, I dont find anything sick with Jesus dieing for us.
Seems pretty sick to me.

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The story is absurd, so we know it didn't happen.
140,000 birds on a boat lined with tar for a year!? Have you cleaned up a bird cage with one bird in it? Don't you realize how much food would have been needed to feed them?
The point isn't of absurdity. A century ago it was absurd to think men would go to the moon. The fact is that 99% of all known cultures that existed and do exist have one or more stories of a "epic" global flood. Did you know that? That's a whole lotta absurd myths from cultures that have existed for the last several thousand years, about a flood that people say didn't happen.

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My friend, he is God. If he knows one, he knows all.
i've got a message for you straight from god... she appeared to me last night and begged for me to tell you to shut up... you're giving her a terrible headache.

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My friend, this is not what I said. What I said was that God does NOT want anyone to go to Hell, but WE send ourselves there because we choose too.
What do you mean sick?
Was it sick when Jesus went through a agony in the Garden where he took on all the sin?
He saw each sin and was tormented by Satan as he stood before Christ accusing man of being unworthy of such a sacrifice.
Was it sick when Jesus was arrested and dragged by ropes and chains to be accused by the priests, along the way he was mocked kicked and punched,even spat on, he was judged by false witnesses and sentenced to death by the people claiming to represent God?
Was it sick when Jesus was Whipped and had his flesh torn of exposing his bones?
Was it sick when Jesus Had nails hammered into his hands and feet. He was lifted up and hung. He suffered severely as the heart and lungs where no longer able to work, he affixated and this is the worst way to die. He could hardly speak but managed to by raising his body to free the lungs,to get a breath to speak,His body shook and his nerves all exposed shot unbelievable pain through his body.
Was it sick when Lastly he had to look into the eyes of his Mother standing in agony at the foot of the cross to tell her that he will make things new, and when he looked up into the Heavens and told his Father that IT IS FINISHED.
My friend, I dont find anything sick with Jesus dieing for us.
who writes your material, dante? you're one sick little puppy.
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I referred to your god as sick because any being that is all knowing and all powerful and still feels that it is okay to create a lake of fire to burn lesser beings in for a million times a billion times a trillion years is seriously, seriously ill.
PS - no one would "choose" to go to hell. You're not making sense.
My friend, Hell was not created for us.

In Matthew 25:41, Jesus makes it clear that Hell was created for Satan and his angels.
"Then he will say to those on his left,'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

God created Hell for the Devil and his Demons, we were Never ment for Hell. Jesus died for our sins, if we do not accept Christ then we do not accept Heaven, and theres only one more place to go, Hell.

Every sin we have committed or will commit Christ has already died for.
God does not send people to hell. He sacrificed his Son, so that ALL may enter the gates of heaven. There are only two choices: heaven or hell and he has left that choice to us.
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i've got a message for you straight from god... she appeared to me last night and begged for me to tell you to shut up... you're giving her a terrible headache.
My friend, they reffer to God as the Father. He is not woman, but man.

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With the way science itself is proving more and more of the "mythical" stories of the Bible as being actual events/persons/places, as often as they are doing that I would find it unwise to call any Bible story a myth at this point.
I do agree the Bible time line is faulty. But for the moment to pretend there is a god that created all that is, I believe that it would have used evolution as it's time line for bringing forth it's children.
Of how the universes came to be, I can only guess with the evidece that science supplies and it changes what it thinks from one decade to another.
Yes the earth has always been a sphere. But when I said a flat surface, I meant the crust of the earth being flat, not the earth itself. The average depth of the ocean is 4000 meters or about 3+ miles deep. Rise that to say a quarter mile of depth and see how far the ocean level rises upon us.
You didn't define the term myth so I have no idea what you mean.

Thanks, you agree the Bible time line is faulty or not to be taken literally.

Scientific law and God's Law cannot be in conflict if God is the creator of all that exists right?

There is only enough water to raise the oceans by less than two meters.

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My friend, they reffer to God as the Father. He is not woman, but man.
The Bible says there is no gender in heaven. Therefore you are squabbling over something of no consequence.

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A myth is a story of a time/event/people/place for which at present there is no evidence for. That is a myth to me.
Then we have a much different interpretation of the word myth.

The word myth in my vocabulary, means a fictitious story originally conceived to impart a much greater truth. Therefore, a myth is something which is "true" yet most likely never happened.

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I would call the flood story a myth by either definition.

Thanks for your thoughtful discussion.

What does the the flood and Noah's Ark make you think of? IOWs what is the significance of the story to you?

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My friend, Hell was not created for us.
In Matthew 25:41, Jesus makes it clear that Hell was created for Satan and his angels.
"Then he will say to those on his left,'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."
God created Hell for the Devil and his Demons, we were Never ment for Hell. Jesus died for our sins, if we do not accept Christ then we do not accept Heaven, and theres only one more place to go, Hell.
Every sin we have committed or will commit Christ has already died for.
God does not send people to hell. He sacrificed his Son, so that ALL may enter the gates of heaven. There are only two choices: heaven or hell and he has left that choice to us.
first off, the book of 'matthew' wasn't written by anybody named matthew. it was paraphrased from a different gospel written by the nazoreans. not only that, but in the original jewish form it's written very differently. there's no mention of hell... or satan.

get a life.

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first off, the book of 'matthew' wasn't written by anybody named matthew. it was paraphrased from a different gospel written by the nazoreans. not only that, but in the original jewish form it's written very differently. there's no mention of hell... or satan.
get a life.
You probably already read about the Gnostics, your posts indicate that you're pretty well read and rounded on many religious subjects, but the Gnostics gospels that survived does have it written that Jesus said that there's no hell. The Gnostic version of Christianity and their writings of Jesus accounts and his teachings differs from the RCC bible and their spin offs. That's why the very early RCC charged all Gnostics of heresy and had many killed, who didn't escape to someplace else, and their gospels destroyed. Fortunately not all of their writings were destroyed.
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first off, the book of 'matthew' wasn't written by anybody named matthew. it was paraphrased from a different gospel written by the nazoreans. not only that, but in the original jewish form it's written very differently. there's no mention of hell... or satan.
get a life.
My friend, the book of Matthew was written by the apostle of the same name.

The word "Satan" is an untranslated word. It is not an English word. Instead, it comes from the Hebrew, from which it has passed into Greek and then English.

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<quoted text>You probably already read about the Gnostics, your posts indicate that you're pretty well read and rounded on many religious subjects, but the Gnostics gospels that survived does have it written that Jesus said that there's no hell. The Gnostic version of Christianity and their writings of Jesus accounts and his teachings differs from the RCC bible and their spin offs. That's why the very early RCC charged all Gnostics of heresy and had many killed, who didn't escape to someplace else, and their gospels destroyed. Fortunately not all of their writings were destroyed.
not to denigrate your words in any way i'd simply like to point out that it was much worse than you may know... to build upon what you have begun here:
the root word of gnostic is gnosis... knowledge. the gnostics are not exactly the same as the nazoreans.(the sect to which yeshua and all of the 13 original apostles and his mother mary belonged) but follow a good many of their teachings. it was the nazoreans who saul of tarsus sold to rome as martyrs in an effort to force them to hand over all the scrolls containing the words of jesus and the apostles to him. he had already sold them to the church at rome, but then couldn't produce them.
eventually one of his followers was able to find and steal a scroll later called 'the gospel of the holy 12' as it was being transported by the apostle, thomas didymus, back to the holy land from tibet where it had been hidden in the same hindu temple where yeshua had spent his adolescent years in study, and murder thomas in the process to silence him. from this scroll saul and his followers were able to piece together enough of the words of jesus and the apostles come up with a cogent writing of their own in order to attempt to save saul's skin from the romans who were, by then, after his head for being a fraud.
as things turned out, saul's deceit didn't work out very well. the roman church had already caught on to his scam and just to prove that they really weren't in possession of a working sense of humour, it was soon afterward that he was imprisoned and eventually executed. by then, however, most of his specious teachings had already been written into the doctrine of the church and it was too late to change without demonstrating their own ignorance to the masses.
can you add more to the truth of the matter?

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My friend, the book of Matthew was written by the apostle of the same name.
The word "Satan" is an untranslated word. It is not an English word. Instead, it comes from the Hebrew, from which it has passed into Greek and then English.
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