Outdoors: Using bow and arrow, hunter takes down a mountain lion

the guy did a good job to all you people that like to insult get a life give the guy a break and quit your whining

also to the agent j gut that is putting mr lapeire down i know mr. lapeire he don't road hunt he get's out and walks i was in the area and seen mr. lapeire walking earlier in the day i believe that the lion was not asleep it was just their stalking him their was alot of bushes arond their and lions are an ambush predator. so mr. agent j why don't you get your head out of your a## and quit your whining your just not happy with anything in life except insulting people. and to the othe guy that said mr. lapeire hit it with his vehicle get a life and quit your lying the lion was about 90 yards into the gully of the canyon so get a life and quit being a a hole and be a man and not a sorry looser the ones who are complainers and whiners are you guys that don't go anywhere in life but the only thing you guys like to live off of is your complaining and whining i hope that karma gets you people that discrace mr.lapeire 12 times fold you have been cursed so mote it be hail satan

great job

to some whom say he shouldnt have killed that mountain lion,would u rather have that lion,grab your child,or your pet out in the hills while u are out in the hills.im proud oh him for killing that mountain lion,as juan saved the lives of other animals,and lives of people who just go out into the hills,for what ever.one more thing i was there when he killed that mountain lion,AND NO HE DID NOT USED A VECHILE ,HE ONLY USED HIS COMPOUND BOW,AND NOTHING ELSO.IM VERY PROUD OF HIM,AND YES WE PUT IN FOR ANOTHER TAG.,TO GET ANOTHER MOUNTAIN LION AGAIN.AS THERE ARE TO MANY HERE IN NEVADA AND A FEW OTHER PLACES,THAT ARE ALSO KILLING LIVESTOCK.

when my man juan lapeire,killed the mountain lion,it was for food.as we dont kill anything that we cant eat.now how many people can say that. if u kill it,then eat it,like we do.

IDIOTS IDIOTS IDIOTS!!!!!

When we just look at the Human race as a whole you have to realise how terrible it is. Everything is destroyed by humans, and if you can't see that for yourself then you're pretty much a complete tosser, and need to expand your thinking, as well as getting shot yourself by someone else for their fun.

Humans have put so many wild animals into endangered numbers. They have ruined the Earth with it's chemicals, fuels, machines etc, they have destroyed it with wars and conflict, and they kill off everthing there is, even worse a lot of the time for fun and their own enjoyment.

Rajah wrote:

IDIOTS IDIOTS IDIOTS!!!!!
When we just look at the Human race as a whole you have to realise how terrible it is. Everything is destroyed by humans, and if you can't see that for yourself then you're pretty much a complete tosser, and need to expand your thinking, as well as getting shot yourself by someone else for their fun.
Humans have put so many wild animals into endangered numbers. They have ruined the Earth with it's chemicals, fuels, machines etc, they have destroyed it with wars and conflict, and they kill off everthing there is, even worse a lot of the time for fun and their own enjoyment.

Ok, you named the problem. Now what's your solution.

Rajah wrote:

IDIOTS IDIOTS IDIOTS!!!!!
When we just look at the Human race as a whole you have to realise how terrible it is. Everything is destroyed by humans, and if you can't see that for yourself then you're pretty much a complete tosser, and need to expand your thinking, as well as getting shot yourself by someone else for their fun.
Humans have put so many wild animals into endangered numbers. They have ruined the Earth with it's chemicals, fuels, machines etc, they have destroyed it with wars and conflict, and they kill off everthing there is, even worse a lot of the time for fun and their own enjoyment.

"as well as getting shot yourself by someone else for their fun." Please explain this statement, especially how it relates to the story.

You do realize that just by posting on here that you are part of the problem. I mean, chemicals are used in the manufacture of the computer you use and electricity is used to run that computer.

How is the mt. lion problem in the U.K.?

Oh dear. In answer to the first person, what you have to do is to actually change people’s attitudes towards killing animals merely for fun, or for something considered "valuable" like tiger’s skin, etc.

To the second person, what I meant was to put yourself in a position of, say, a lion, and in turn be shot by a group of hunters, and your skin be duly removed afterwards, and perhaps be eaten.

Imagine if humans were completely defenceless against a more advanced race who decided to play cat and mouse games with us. If this was to happen often enough, the entire human species would eventually become extinct, and this is exactly what’s happening with the lions and the tigers. This is how it "relates" to the story, as you’ve asked.

People don’t realise what they are doing, as they not only lack foresight but the ability to see what is happening at the present time on a large scale (as people are so involved in their own lives only), and how it will affect things in the future.

People that do hunt will have an opinion on this, but it will not be justified as they think that what they’re doing is ok, when it clearly is not. This is the truth.

And Medicinebow, don’t you dare tell me that I am "part of the problem" that people like you happen to create yourselves, as I am fully aware of how much of the Earth’s resources are used to build computers, yet another thing we take advantage of, but here that is not the same problem at all. So don’t you even try to tie me in with something completely unrelated, and then act as if you are innocent in the matter.

And if I have to tell you another thing you should already know, the thing with the mountain lion, as with other animals, is a problem in England, as it can be felt and understood across any country, but it does not have to be something that is part of your culture for you to realise what people are actually doing.

People may argue that extinctions will always happen and be a part of nature; I agree – eventually all things will change. But not when it is through humans carelessness alone that we succeed in making entire species disappear from what we see as our own enjoyment, a "hobby", or, most likely, "money-making".

Beautiful things such as these have been thousands of years in the making, and if we are able to destroy them completely through sheer greed just shows how low humanity really is. We have to do better than that.

I hope I have been of help.

Rajah wrote:

Oh dear. In answer to the first person, what you have to do is to actually change people’s attitudes towards killing animals merely for fun, or for something considered "valuable" like tiger’s skin, etc.

Again, you named a problem, but no solution. How do you propose to "change people's attitudes"? As far as killing for fun or valuable; I, and all the hunters I know, kill for meat. That we get skins and fur, which is converted to leather and used in a variety of means, is a plus. I don't kill animals for fun or profit.

Rajah wrote:

To the second person, what I meant was to put yourself in a position of, say, a lion, and in turn be shot by a group of hunters, and your skin be duly removed afterwards, and perhaps be eaten.
Imagine if humans were completely defenceless against a more advanced race who decided to play cat and mouse games with us. If this was to happen often enough, the entire human species would eventually become extinct, and this is exactly what’s happening with the lions and the tigers. This is how it "relates" to the story, as you’ve asked.
People don’t realise what they are doing, as they not only lack foresight but the ability to see what is happening at the present time on a large scale (as people are so involved in their own lives only), and how it will affect things in the future.
People that do hunt will have an opinion on this, but it will not be justified as they think that what they’re doing is ok, when it clearly is not. This is the truth.

The truth according to whom? My truth, and scientifically proven truth, is that hunting controls game population that otherwise would expand out of control, creating more hazards for humans and animals alike. My truth is that I enjoy the taste of game meat. My truth, and scientifically proven truth, is that game meat is nutrionally better than farm raised meat. My truth, and scientifically proven truth, is that more animals die by automobile accidents and in the harvesting of fruits and vegetables than those killed by hunters.

Rajah wrote:

And if I have to tell you another thing you should already know, the thing with the mountain lion, as with other animals, is a problem in England, as it can be felt and understood across any country, but it does not have to be something that is part of your culture for you to realise what people are actually doing.

There are mountain lions in England? Outside of the zoo, I mean.

Rajah wrote:

People may argue that extinctions will always happen and be a part of nature; I agree – eventually all things will change. But not when it is through humans carelessness alone that we succeed in making entire species disappear from what we see as our own enjoyment, a "hobby", or, most likely, "money-making".
Beautiful things such as these have been thousands of years in the making, and if we are able to destroy them completely through sheer greed just shows how low humanity really is. We have to do better than that.
I hope I have been of help.

Unfortunately, until we CAN change human attitudes, this will continue to happen. Humans must have their space (removing that habitation that belongs to the animals) and humans must have their cars/roads (removing habitat and creating hazards), and humans must have their warmth, be it oil, gas or wood (removing/damaging habitat), and humans must have etc, etc. I don't see that changing anytime soon. Therefore, the best we can do, is to try to protect that which we have. Allowing animals to overpopulate doesn't protect them. Allowing animals to intermingle with humans doesn't protect either species. Hunters contribute more to habitat preservation/conservation than AR groups.

We, at least, try to protect what we have.

I hope I have provide some insight.

to "Get em all":
The "solution" to the problem is simply for people to realise what they are doing and stop killing things that endangered, or on the brink of extinction.

I understand the need for the hunting of things solely to eat, like deer, etc, but even that has to be kept under control. When it comes to hunting big predators themselves for their skins, to make money from etc, this has to be stopped entirely. Lions, tigers and other beautiful creatures do not really have sufficient numbers to thrive in the wild, due to a what a hunter calls a "hobby", or a chance to make money from his catches. If you don't do this yourself then this is acceptable.

You say that hunting keeps things like game under control. If you are talking about the case of the Big Cats, this is hardly possible, as there are only a few hundred lions left in the wild. This is almost entirley due to human interference, by hunting them faster than the rate that they breed, even though they shouldn't be hunted at all. We cannot have a world in which all the land is populated by just humans, so all other animals are thrown out. This is one of the most important things to realise. The human race cannot function for long in the speed or even direction it is already going.

Also, no, there are no wild Mountain Lions in England (officially), but what I meant was that if you realise that something should not be done, you don't really need to have it as part of your culture or environment, you just have the knowledge to realise what people are actually doing, which many others don't.

Again, the "truth" cannot be according to a particular person, as people have their own opinions, whether they be right or not. Truth is something which is there in spite of opinion, and something which you know, in the end, to be true, even if a majority of people somewhere do not think so. It is simply not alright to try to reassure ourselves with statistics (which very often don't provide truthful outcomes anyway) and whatever else on the matter, and then to carry on as if everything was fine, and may have been a false alarm.

If you have to eat, then do so, but do not seek things out for profit or for pleasure, especially if you have contributed in reducing numbers of that animal to dangerous levels.

Rajah wrote:

IDIOTS IDIOTS IDIOTS!!!!!
When we just look at the Human race as a whole you have to realise how terrible it is. Everything is destroyed by humans, and if you can't see that for yourself then you're pretty much a complete tosser, and need to expand your thinking, as well as getting shot yourself by someone else for their fun.
Humans have put so many wild animals into endangered numbers. They have ruined the Earth with it's chemicals, fuels, machines etc, they have destroyed it with wars and conflict, and they kill off everthing there is, even worse a lot of the time for fun and their own enjoyment.

Oh lookey it's Chicken Little crying the progressive lick spittle gloom & doom scenario. Take a hike loser. We Americans are sick & tired of you numbnuts trying to tell us how to live. Go back to jerking off to pics of O'Bozo & Mrs. Gorilla.

Rajah wrote:

to "Get em all":
The "solution" to the problem is simply for people to realise what they are doing and stop killing things that endangered, or on the brink of extinction.

Agreed, but you still haven't mentioned a solution. Getting people to realise anything that they don't want to hear, or believe they are too rich/famous, or believe they are above the law, is impossible. I don't hunt endangered species, nor do I know anyone who does. I don't have any "trophies" from endangered species, nor does anyone I know.

Rajah wrote:

I understand the need for the hunting of things solely to eat, like deer, etc, but even that has to be kept under control. When it comes to hunting big predators themselves for their skins, to make money from etc, this has to be stopped entirely. Lions, tigers and other beautiful creatures do not really have sufficient numbers to thrive in the wild, due to a what a hunter calls a "hobby", or a chance to make money from his catches. If you don't do this yourself then this is acceptable.
You say that hunting keeps things like game under control. If you are talking about the case of the Big Cats, this is hardly possible, as there are only a few hundred lions left in the wild. This is almost entirley due to human interference, by hunting them faster than the rate that they breed, even though they shouldn't be hunted at all. We cannot have a world in which all the land is populated by just humans, so all other animals are thrown out. This is one of the most important things to realise. The human race cannot function for long in the speed or even direction it is already going.
Also, no, there are no wild Mountain Lions in England (officially), but what I meant was that if you realise that something should not be done, you don't really need to have it as part of your culture or environment, you just have the knowledge to realise what people are actually doing, which many others don't.
Again, the "truth" cannot be according to a particular person, as people have their own opinions, whether they be right or not. Truth is something which is there in spite of opinion, and something which you know, in the end, to be true, even if a majority of people somewhere do not think so. It is simply not alright to try to reassure ourselves with statistics (which very often don't provide truthful outcomes anyway) and whatever else on the matter, and then to carry on as if everything was fine, and may have been a false alarm.
If you have to eat, then do so, but do not seek things out for profit or for pleasure, especially if you have contributed in reducing numbers of that animal to dangerous levels.

What you are discussing is conservation and preservation. This is something that ethical hunters preach and practice. We don't want the animals to die out, but we also realize that humans have precedence. Managing the population is just that, managing. We try to keep the population of the herds to the size of the habitat they have. Does it always work? No. Why? Because there are poachers, criminals, and other people that "must" have that Bengal tiger skin, or that Snow Leopard mount, or that turtle soup, or that shark fin soup, etc, etc. Until that changes, and I don't know how to get it to change, then certain animals will remain on the the endangered species list.

Wolverine wrote:

<quoted text>Oh lookey it's Chicken Little crying the progressive lick spittle gloom & doom scenario. Take a hike loser. We Americans are sick & tired of you numbnuts trying to tell us how to live. Go back to jerking off to pics of O'Bozo & Mrs. Gorilla.

Enough said. Anything that is outside a 10-minute attention span seems ludicrous to you lot, even if it is said advisedly.

I bet you won't even register this comment into your pathetic mind...

Rajah wrote:

to "Get em all": You say that hunting keeps things like game under control. If you are talking about the case of the Big Cats, this is hardly possible, as there are only a few hundred lions left in the wild. This is almost entirley due to human interference, by hunting them faster than the rate that they breed, even though they shouldn't be hunted at all.

You are stretching the truth a bit on the lion population,according to "mongabay.com " it is 23,000 however they are declining in some parts of Africa from local farmers protecting their cattle.

Rajah wrote:

<quoted text>
Enough said. Anything that is outside a 10-minute attention span seems ludicrous to you lot, even if it is said advisedly.
I bet you won't even register this comment into your pathetic mind...

Opinions are like buttholes, and yours definitely stinks.

Ok you animal rights activists why the hell are you cutting me down for killing a mountain lion with a bow if your so worried about lions then keep them in the zoo. lion meat tastes like chicken and is better than beef. so your whining about me who cares i have another lion tag and when i get another lion i'll post it again with pictures if you want so why don't you animal rights activists leave us hunters alone and go back to your tree hugging and loving your earth. huntings been around for thousands of years and it will be around forever so why don't you animal rights activists take hobby and try hunting it's fun and it puts food on the table sincerly juan lapeire

YES U ARE RIGHT.TO THAT ANIMAL ACTIVISTS,LET ME ASK U do u eat meat of any kind.we only kill to put food on our table,but we dont kill for the fun of it.so then i take it as you [ANIMAL ACTIVIST}U RATHER HAVE THE MOUNTAINS KILL CHILDREN,OR ADULTS .IM for takeing down any animal for FOOD. Francine Harper

to juan lapeire:

Look here. There are no animal rights activists here, only some people with some sense and who can see what's happening. Firstly you can't just keep things in zoos. They can't all live like that, nor should we make them.

Also you can't hunt things at a rate faster than they can breed, even if it is for food. Before we know it there will be no animals left at all, then what are you going to hunt?

And don't make an assumption that someone like me is involved in tree hugging or any other extreme. We can all live perfectly normal lives without participating in radical activities like that, although someone should just be able to see the impact on animals of what humans do, in the long run and at present.

And yes, hunting has been around for thousands of years, but it has caused extinctions due to carelessness in the meantime, although I agree for the need to hunt when it is for food, as other animals do, but never should you find it to be fun as well, because enjoying killing something is a really low instinct of man and should have been got rid of long before this stage in our human development.

The thing I would say is: don't kill mountain lions, as they are beautiful cats and are predators themselves, which is a reason not to hunt them in itself. You could easily eat something else like deer etc.

to the second poster:

Yes I do eat a variety of meats thank you, but in answer to your other question "would you rather have the mountain lions kill children or adults", I have to say that firstly mountain lions do not kill that many people anyway, but more importantly children or adults should not be in a position where they are exposed to dangerous wildlife anyway. If humans left them be, there would be no problem.

Tosser Rajah wrote:

to juan lapeire:
Look here. There are no animal rights activists here, only some people with some sense and who can see what's happening. Firstly you can't just keep things in zoos. They can't all live like that, nor should we make them.
Also you can't hunt things at a rate faster than they can breed, even if it is for food. Before we know it there will be no animals left at all, then what are you going to hunt?
And don't make an assumption that someone like me is involved in tree hugging or any other extreme. We can all live perfectly normal lives without participating in radical activities like that, although someone should just be able to see the impact on animals of what humans do, in the long run and at present.
And yes, hunting has been around for thousands of years, but it has caused extinctions due to carelessness in the meantime, although I agree for the need to hunt when it is for food, as other animals do, but never should you find it to be fun as well, because enjoying killing something is a really low instinct of man and should have been got rid of long before this stage in our human development.
The thing I would say is: don't kill mountain lions, as they are beautiful cats and are predators themselves, which is a reason not to hunt them in itself. You could easily eat something else like deer etc.
to the second poster:
Yes I do eat a variety of meats thank you, but in answer to your other question "would you rather have the mountain lions kill children or adults", I have to say that firstly mountain lions do not kill that many people anyway, but more importantly children or adults should not be in a position where they are exposed to dangerous wildlife anyway. If humans left them be, there would be no problem.

Blah,Blah,Blah, Blah,Blah - another pompuse englishman just wanting to hear there own head roar.

The things you say are simply your opinion... nothing more. Where are the facts to back your statements, through something on the table that would qualify as (real meat) a solution, not telling other people they are wrong because you dont agree with them.

Thats not a&#8217;solution there tosser rajah.

Quite being a hypocriet, if you dont have a solution your part of the problem...