Biblical scholar's date for rapture: May 21, 2011

Grumpy Guy wrote:

<quoted text> The word Torture is never mention in the Bible as the fate for those in Hell, They are tormented in Hell.people in hell are in spirit form and as such chances are the only pain they will have is mental anguish at not being in heaven with god.

Wonderful!

Another subliterate parrot.

The best evidence for Jesus is in a book written 600 years after died? A book that says it's true because the book itself says it's true? Just plain silliness.

MUQ wrote:

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No mythical character can exist so long....

Because you claim that?

MUQ wrote:

Quran confirming that he existed is enough proof that he existed. God Almighty the Creator of Universe, shall not tell lie just to please some people on this earth!!

There is no evidence god exists.

MUQ wrote:

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02. Please tell me where people have gone in so much details to “create” a fictional Character?

Asclespius, Adonis, Apollo, Attis, Buddha, Dionysus, Horus, Krishna, Mithras, Osiris, Prometheus, & Serapis; all of which are Pagan "savior" Gods worshiped thousands of years before jesus & all of which are EXACTLY the same as the myth of jesus. Now let's not forget about the great Greek hero myths that are still enjoyed in schools today such as Heracles(which has been proven real), Odysseus, Achilles, & countless others almost all "fictional" characters that had great efforts in describing them, their deeds, & life's in great detail, most in even greater detail than that of jesus.

03. Jesus is not fake, but the efforts to turn him into God are fake.
His followers made up stories about him, when they could not find him or his body after the alleged crucifixion.
The Greatest proof of his existence comes from Quran and not from Gospels.
It would have been child’s play for our prophet to reject existence of Jesus and his immaculate birth, but since he confirmed it, so there is nothing left for us to say that he was a fictional character.
If God Almighty confirms his existence, then we must surrender ourselves to Him!!

The Quran is an even greater PLAGIARIZED text than that of the christians, just another mere book of fairy tales & myths. The christians plagiarized Pagan texts & muslims plagiarized christian text. The Quran is plagiarized from a bunch of spurious christian tales many of which were heretical. The denial of the crucifixion, belief that mary is in the trinity and gabriel is the holy spirirt comes from various Gnostic sects. Every tale in the Quran about Jesus' infancy come from various spurious nativity gospels, the companions of the cave come from a 5th century Christian myth called the 7 sleepers of Ephesus about Christians being persecuted by the roman emperor and hiding in a cave where they slept for 200 years. Even the Islamic heaven jannah comes from some 4th century syriac hymns. You can't prove the existence of a false & plagiarized being by using another plagiarized book of myths that was copied from the text the other one deemed as heretical!!!!!!

S Macmillan wrote:

01. Asclespius, Adonis, Apollo, Attis, Buddha, Dionysus, Horus, Krishna, Mithras, Osiris, Prometheus, & Serapis; all of which are Pagan "savior" Gods worshiped thousands of years before jesus & all of which are EXACTLY the same as the myth of jesus. Now let's not forget about the great Greek hero myths that are still enjoyed in schools today such as Heracles(which has been proven real), Odysseus, Achilles, & countless others almost all "fictional" characters that had great efforts in describing them, their deeds, & life's in great detail, most in even greater detail than that of jesus.

02. The Quran is an even greater PLAGIARIZED text than that of the christians, just another mere book of fairy tales & myths...

from a 5th century Christian myth called the 7 sleepers of Ephesus about Christians being persecuted by the roman emperor and hiding in a cave where they slept for 200 years. Even the Islamic heaven jannah comes from some 4th century syriac hymns. You can't prove the existence of a false & plagiarized being by using another plagiarized book of myths that was copied from the text the other one deemed as heretical!!!!!!

Ans.

01. How you counted Buddha also as Myth? And even if these characters are mythical, that does not give you any right to make Jesus also as mythical.

Every case has to be decided on its own merit.

Jesus’s existence can not be disproved just because St. Paul tried to add pagan beliefs to his personality.

By the way, what proofs you have that Great, Great, Grandfather of your Grandfather really existed? I do not want reasoning, I want proof?

And what is proof that Alexander the Great really existed? Was he not also Mythical?

02. To call Quran as plagiarism shows that your knowledge about Quran is as faulty as your logic that Jesus did not exist!!

How can a man who does not know how to read and how to write would plagiarize from so many different sources and so many different books?

First you have to PROVE that these books were translated into Arabic and were available in Makkah and some one coached the Prophet.

And if prophet could do so, why no one else in Arabia was able to do so in past 1400 years?

Quran challenges whole mankind to bring a book like Quran and no one is able to take up that challenge in past 1400 years.

Why do you not use your talents and bring something like Quran.

hello folks

Sorry to say that this chain on topix has become back and forth blah blah blah... Couple of you (and you know who you are) write rather well ; even some of you that I don't agree with but enjoy you thoughts. But the long lengthy stuff just loses my interest. You guys keep up the good fight, but I'm propably going to drop this link... Wish you all well.....

John wrote:

hello folks

Greetings, John.

A Thought wrote:

Sorry to say that this chain on topix has become back and forth blah blah blah... Couple of you (and you know who you are) write rather well ; even some of you that I don't agree with but enjoy you thoughts. But the long lengthy stuff just loses my interest. You guys keep up the good fight, but I'm propably going to drop this link... Wish you all well.....

I think you left school right after your middle junior?

Could not cope with those lengthy write ups and complicated formulas written in those books!!

How blissful is to be ignorant and simple!!

MUQ wrote:

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I think you left school right after your middle junior?
Could not cope with those lengthy write ups and complicated formulas written in those books!!
How blissful is to be ignorant and simple!!

Ouch! You were one of the ones I was complimenting; we even had a nice exchange a while back. I am highly educated, but my profession requires so much reading, I prefer an executive summary rather than the blah, blah, blah...

Maybe I'll check back in a few weeks, take care my friend.

A Thought wrote:

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Ouch! You were one of the ones I was complimenting; we even had a nice exchange a while back. I am highly educated, but my profession requires so much reading, I prefer an executive summary rather than the blah, blah, blah...
Maybe I'll check back in a few weeks, take care my friend.

Considering that it took you so many weeks to post these few lines, shows how much busy you are?

Might I ask what is the business that keeps you so busy?

Unless it is secret of course, like you being advisor to Obama and how to get his foot dis-entagle from that Afghanistan mess and how to make his soldiers "respect" the local Afghan custom of "Revering" their book of God.

Yes it would be a time consuming 24 hours job, that would not allow you to read all these blah, blah, blah.

You would be getting all these reports of Ouch, Oh, Hi,....from the field, who will have time for blah, blah, blah.

So see you in three weeks or so from now!!

Be safe and stay safe and do not go out of your house when it is dark and lock and bolt your door when you are inside your home.(a sort of free advice to those who are very busy!!)

Words Given to Timothy, During an Online Fellowship - For The Lord’s Little Flock, and For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

Thus says The Lord: Blood pours down, a waterfall of tears flow down...
Rivers of tears and blood run through the desolate places! Yet no growth is seen... Nothing at all sprouts forth from the hard and cracked ground. The sound of the charadrion is not heard, neither do the doves come out of their hiding places in the morning... No song is heard.

Blood pours down to cover the mountains...

Blood pours down and tears cover the land...

Blood and tears fall upon the parched ground!...

Yet only dust and ashes remain.

The earth cries out in the morning, and the people mourn at eventide...
From dusk until the dawn, the bodies are piled up in heaps. The whole world loves violence, and over all this murder barely a tear is shed... The voice of weeping and lamentation is rarely heard above a whisper. And the cries of every unborn child is muffled by the sound of their mother’s dying womb, as her heart becomes stone... The light of her eyes darkening... Her life, forfeit.

Mankind is covered in wickedness...
The breadth of the whole earth is filled with every kind of evil. Every tree is dry and bears bitter fruit. For the heart of man is black, the void within him, deep... A widening chasm filled with deep darkness, sheer cliffs on every side. Every branch withers, no more will leaves appear... Dry and dead branches, ready to be broken off and cast into the fire.

The heart of The Lord your God is very heavy...

The heart of The Lord is enraged, and is very heavy...

The sorrow of The Lord is deep and infinite.

My people, let it be known to you: I take no pleasure at all in what I must do, in what must be done... NO PLEASURE AT ALL! Says The Lord...
As My hand draws back, blood pours down. As I strike the earth in My anger, My tears run down. As famine spreads forth across the land, My heart is rent inside Me over the hardness of men’s hearts! As My face fills with the heat of My fury, My eyes are set ablaze with fire, over that which I see!... My tears run down, My blood pours down.

As My own servants turn from Me and run...

As My own beloved, whom I have called sons and daughters,
Turn and fight against Me...

As My own body betrays Me...

My blood pours down, My tears run down.

As the nations come together, and bind My hands and My feet, My tears run down. As they bruise Me and spit in My eyes, while mocking Me, My tears run down. As they pierce My side, My blood and tears run down together! As My own people drive in the nails still, I am risen up from My place with My arms spread apart, waiting to receive them... My blood runs down, the tears run down.

OH MY PEOPLE!...

WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?!

Hard generation! Sleeping children! Even My own fall asleep, unable to watch with Me for one hour... Their hearts hardened, unwilling to weep with Me in this last hour...
Do you not understand My sorrows, little flock?... They refuse to be healed! Therefore I must destroy them! My blood runs down, and they refuse it! My tears fall like rain upon the nations, yet they will not lift their head, nor do they hold out their tongue to drink it!... Where have all My children gone?!

They choose death!...

They choose death!...

And at the last day, they shall surely receive it!...

They shall taste of it to the fullest! Therefore do My tears run down! Therefore do the rivers run like death through the waste places! Beloved, they heap up death, only to throw themselves upon the heap! Lo, they have made their covenant with death, and with the grave they are in agreement! They burn candles and make sacrifices to other gods! Yea, they bow down to them!... Behold, they shall be slaughtered and burned together!

See more at: http://trumpetcallofgodonline.com/index.php5...

art wrote:

Words Given to Timothy, During an Online Fellowship - For The Lord’s Little Flock, and For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear
Thus says The Lord: Blood pours down, a waterfall of tears flow down...

The earth cries out in the morning, and the people mourn at eventide...
From dusk until the dawn, the bodies are piled up in heaps. The whole world loves violence, and over all this murder barely a tear is shed... The voice of weeping and lamentation is rarely heard above a whisper. And the cries of every unborn child is muffled by the sound of their mother’s dying womb, as her heart becomes stone... The light of her eyes darkening... Her life, forfeit.
Mankind is covered in wickedness...
The breadth of the whole earth is filled with every kind of evil. Every tree is dry and bears bitter fruit. For the heart of man is black, the void within him, deep... A widening chasm filled with deep darkness, sheer cliffs on every side. Every branch withers, no more will leaves appear... Dry and dead branches, ready to be broken off and cast into the fire.
The heart of The Lord your God is very heavy...
The heart of The Lord is enraged, and is very heavy...
The sorrow of The Lord is deep and infinite.
My people, let it be known to you: I take no pleasure at all in what I must do, in what must be done... NO PLEASURE AT ALL! Says The Lord...
As My hand draws back, blood pours down. As I strike the earth in My anger, My tears run down. As famine spreads forth across the land, My heart is rent inside Me over the hardness of men’s hearts! As My face fills with the heat of My fury, My eyes are set ablaze with fire, over that which I see!... My tears run down, My blood pours down.
As My own servants turn from Me and run...
As My own beloved, whom I have called sons and daughters,
Turn and fight against Me...
As My own body betrays Me...
My blood pours down, My tears run down.
As the nations come together, and bind My hands and My feet, My tears run down. As they bruise Me and spit in My eyes, while mocking Me, My tears run down. As they pierce My side, My blood and tears run down together! As My own people drive in the nails still, I am risen up from My place with My arms spread apart, waiting to receive them... My blood runs down, the tears run down.
OH MY PEOPLE!...
WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?!
Hard generation! Sleeping children! Even My own fall asleep, unable to watch with Me for one hour... Their hearts hardened, unwilling to weep with Me in this last hour...
Do you not understand My sorrows, little flock?... They refuse to be healed! Therefore I must destroy them! My blood runs down, and they refuse it! My tears fall like rain upon the nations, yet they will not lift their head, nor do they hold out their tongue to drink it!... Where have all My children gone?!
They choose death!...
They choose death!...
And at the last day, they shall surely receive it!...
They shall taste of it to the fullest! Therefore do My tears run down! Therefore do the rivers run like death through the waste places! Beloved, they heap up death, only to throw themselves upon the heap! Lo, they have made their covenant with death, and with the grave they are in agreement! They burn candles and make sacrifices to other gods! Yea, they bow down to them!... Behold, they shall be slaughtered and burned together!
See more at: http://trumpetcallofgodonline.com/index.php5...

Thanks for the mythology outline, reminds of greek and roman mythologies and gods sitting on top of Mount Olympus. But more of a death cult.

O boy, O boy, the Miracle guy is back on the thread!!

Another one of these Miracles!!

MUQ wrote:

Ans.

01. How you counted Buddha also as Myth? And even if these characters are mythical, that does not give you any right to make Jesus also as mythical.

Every case has to be decided on its own merit.

JesusÂ’s existence can not be disproved just because St. Paul tried to add pagan beliefs to his personality.

By the way, what proofs you have that Great, Great, Grandfather of your Grandfather really existed? I do not want reasoning, I want proof?

And what is proof that Alexander the Great really existed? Was he not also Mythical?

02. To call Quran as plagiarism shows that your knowledge about Quran is as faulty as your logic that Jesus did not exist!!

How can a man who does not know how to read and how to write would plagiarize from so many different sources and so many different books?

First you have to PROVE that these books were translated into Arabic and were available in Makkah and some one coached the Prophet.

And if prophet could do so, why no one else in Arabia was able to do so in past 1400 years?

Quran challenges whole mankind to bring a book like Quran and no one is able to take up that challenge in past 1400 years.

Why do you not use your talents and bring something like Quran.

That's because the quoran is bullshit & Mohamed was a fithy pedophile scumbag just like his Paki followers are today. Vermin

God will destroy this country when it's too corrupt to save.
California is there now.
The legal system is so bad that attorneys get away with all their felonies because D.A.s won't touch them.
District attorneys get away with their felonies because Attorney General Brown said it's not his job, in violation of the CA constitution.
The voters rewarded his crimes by promoting him to governor.
California is ROTTING AWAY, and the federal government should not help save the people from the suffering they bring on themselves because they won't even demand better.
Here's a beginning:

The California Attorney General: Prosecute all CA attorneys and D.A.s for their crimes
https://www.change.org/petitions/calirofnia-l...

Also, it’s the only way to prosecute that lover of child abusers, attorney Steven Bangerter, Oakland.

http://www.topix.com/forum/oakland/TI9BQM31S0...

Was Camping actually right?

http://www.writeonnewjersey.com/2012/08/ten-v...