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Frijoles

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JOEL PASTAKIA wrote:
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Incoherent post.
Anyway, i'll get in touch later. Going to a party. Bye.
Are you in charge of the Kool Aid by any chance?
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May 31, 2012
 
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Are you in charge of the Kool Aid by any chance?
Damn it. It was Flavor Aid. Made right here in the Chicago Suburbs.
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May 31, 2012
 
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Damn it. It was Flavor Aid. Made right here in the Chicago Suburbs.
Or was it?

"....Given that reasoning, Jones and several members argued that the group should commit "revolutionary suicide" by drinking cyanide-laced grape flavored Flavor Aid (not Kool-Aid despite the popular phrase). However, later released video made to show the best of Jonestown shows Jones opening a storage container full of Kool-Aid in large quantities. This may have been what was used to mix the "potion" (as was referred to in several statements obtained by the FBI in the final tape recordings) along with a sedative.[92]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
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May 31, 2012
 
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Damn it. It was Flavor Aid. Made right here in the Chicago Suburbs.
Having local pride is always important for a community
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Incoherent post.
Anyway, i'll get in touch later. Going to a party. Bye.
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Agreed.

Should have read "Sell by" date.

Don't let anyone have their way with you at the party.

No one will marry you if you're "ruined."

Keep your legs together, like a good girl.
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Did the God of the Torah ever command anyone to sacrifice their first born?
rabbee: i don't believe G-D, has ever sacrificed Noach?
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TO: MAAT, this series is dedicated to you- MUQ
Revisiting 9/11/2001 --Applying the Scientific Method, Dr. Steven E. Jones Part-19
WTC Dust Sample Analyses (Contd.)
96. Iron melts at 1538 o C, so the presence of these numerous iron-rich spheres implies a very high temperature. Too hot in fact for the fires in the WTC buildings since jet fuel (kerosene), paper and wood furniture – and other office materials – cannot reach the temperatures needed to melt iron or steel.(Remember the wood-burning stove…) Of course, elemental sulfur as found in thermate can lower the melting point of steel as discussed above.
97. As usual, we search for possible prosaic explanations for these metallic spherules in the WTC dust. The most obvious possible source is the melting of large quantities of steel in the buildings followed somehow by formation of tiny droplets of molten steel. As discussed above, however, steel melts at about 1538 o C (2800 o F)– and the temperatures in the buildings were no where near hot enough to melt steel, and certainly not in large quantities required for the amounts seen in the dust (and pouring out of the South Tower before collapse). Furthermore, we have looked at the chemical compositions of a number iron-rich spherules as well as that of steel, and the compositions are not the same at all.
It should not be surprising, however, as we analyze more spherules to find some that are steel-like in composition, assuming that thermite cutter-charges were in fact used to cut through steel.
98. We should then find both steel- and thermite-residue spherules. Could these droplets be due to molten aluminum alloy (from the jets) striking rusty steel and/or other office materials to somehow generate the iron-rich spheres? We performed experiments with molten aluminum poured onto rusty steel, then onto crushed gypsum and concrete (on the rusty steel)– and observed no formation of iron-rich droplets at all nor any sign of vigorous chemical reactions.
http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200703/... and
http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/... Trade_Center.pdf .
99. It has also been suggested that thermate may have been used at ground zero (GZ) during steel cutting operations for clean-up there. However, no documentation whatsoever that thermate was so used has been provided, and so for this suggestion to be seriously considered, the proponents will need to provide documentation for the use of thermate and disclosure of the composition – including KMnO4, S, etc. In this way, we can compare the alleged thermate use with what is observed in the dust.
100. What is thoroughly documented is the use of oxyacetylene torches in the cutting of the steel at ground zero. Furthermore, Janette MacKinlay collected the dust inside her apartment just about a week after the buildings collapsed, so there was very little time for any molten-metal spheres created somehow by the clean-up itself to have made its way into her 4th-floor to be mingled in with the dust up there.
101. In addition, the distance to the apartment from the clean-up operation is about 100 meters (about a football-field length), while in our experiments with thermite/thermate, the glowing sparks (metallic droplets) are seen to travel only a few meters or yards.
The holes formed in the two broken windows of this apartment were about two feet by three feet, increasing the unlikelihood that any metallic spheres from the (improbable) use of thermate at GZ could have entered the apartment during the few days before the dust was collected.(On the other hand, the fast-moving dust clouds on 9/11/2001 traveled for many blocks and certainly would have carried small residues with them,
rabbee: yeah! like you can always trust muslems, who fly airplanes into buildings to not lie about it.
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MUQ wrote:
TO: MAAT, this series is dedicated to you- MUQ
Revisiting 9/11/2001 --Applying the Scientific Method, Dr. Steven E. Jones Part-19
WTC Dust Sample Analyses (Contd.)
96. Iron melts at 1538 o C, so the presence of these numerous iron-rich spheres implies a very high temperature. Too hot in fact for the fires in the WTC buildings since jet fuel (kerosene), paper and wood furniture – and other office materials – cannot reach the temperatures needed to melt iron or steel.(Remember the wood-burning stove…) Of course, elemental sulfur as found in thermate can lower the melting point of steel as discussed above.
97. As usual, we search for possible prosaic explanations for these metallic spherules in the WTC dust. The most obvious possible source is the melting of large quantities of steel in the buildings followed somehow by formation of tiny droplets of molten steel. As discussed above, however, steel melts at about 1538 o C (2800 o F)– and the temperatures in the buildings were no where near hot enough to melt steel, and certainly not in large quantities required for the amounts seen in the dust (and pouring out of the South Tower before collapse). Furthermore, we have looked at the chemical compositions of a number iron-rich spherules as well as that of steel, and the compositions are not the same at all.
It should not be surprising, however, as we analyze more spherules to find some that are steel-like in composition, assuming that thermite cutter-charges were in fact used to cut through steel.
98. We should then find both steel- and thermite-residue spherules. Could these droplets be due to molten aluminum alloy (from the jets) striking rusty steel and/or other office materials to somehow generate the iron-rich spheres? We performed experiments with molten aluminum poured onto rusty steel, then onto crushed gypsum and concrete (on the rusty steel)– and observed no formation of iron-rich droplets at all nor any sign of vigorous chemical reactions.
http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200703/... and
http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/... Trade_Center.pdf .
99. It has also been suggested that thermate may have been used at ground zero (GZ) during steel cutting operations for clean-up there. However, no documentation whatsoever that thermate was so used has been provided, and so for this suggestion to be seriously considered, the proponents will need to provide documentation for the use of thermate and disclosure of the composition – including KMnO4, S, etc. In this way, we can compare the alleged thermate use with what is observed in the dust.
100. What is thoroughly documented is the use of oxyacetylene torches in the cutting of the steel at ground zero. Furthermore, Janette MacKinlay collected the dust inside her apartment just about a week after the buildings collapsed, so there was very little time for any molten-metal spheres created somehow by the clean-up itself to have made its way into her 4th-floor to be mingled in with the dust up there.
101. In addition, the distance to the apartment from the clean-up operation is about 100 meters (about a football-field length), while in our experiments with thermite/thermate, the glowing sparks (metallic droplets) are seen to travel only a few meters or yards.
The holes formed in the two broken windows of this apartment were about two feet by three feet, increasing the unlikelihood that any metallic spheres from the (improbable) use of thermate at GZ could have entered the apartment during the few days before the dust was collected.(On the other hand, the fast-moving dust clouds on 9/11/2001 traveled for many blocks and certainly would have carried small residues with them,
rabbee: yeah! you can always trust lying murdering muslems, who fly airplanes into tall buildings.
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Frijoles wrote:
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Or was it?
"....Given that reasoning, Jones and several members argued that the group should commit "revolutionary suicide" by drinking cyanide-laced grape flavored Flavor Aid (not Kool-Aid despite the popular phrase). However, later released video made to show the best of Jonestown shows Jones opening a storage container full of Kool-Aid in large quantities. This may have been what was used to mix the "potion" (as was referred to in several statements obtained by the FBI in the final tape recordings) along with a sedative.[92]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
The only problem is that if you go to footnote 92 and click the link to the site, there is no mention of either. Nor is there a link to the alleged video.

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Frijoles wrote:
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Or was it?
"....Given that reasoning, Jones and several members argued that the group should commit "revolutionary suicide" by drinking cyanide-laced grape flavored Flavor Aid (not Kool-Aid despite the popular phrase). However, later released video made to show the best of Jonestown shows Jones opening a storage container full of Kool-Aid in large quantities. This may have been what was used to mix the "potion" (as was referred to in several statements obtained by the FBI in the final tape recordings) along with a sedative.[92]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
Great. You just uncovered a conspiracy. It's just a matter of time before ATF (a.k.a volunteerist) is all over this.
Frijoles

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Great. You just uncovered a conspiracy. It's just a matter of time before ATF (a.k.a volunteerist) is all over this.
What make you sure he isnt already all over this?

BTW I think they are different people. I sense marginally more rationality from volunteerist - making a conversation possible.
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The only problem is that if you go to footnote 92 and click the link to the site, there is no mention of either. Nor is there a link to the alleged video.
I actually did trace back a few of the footnotes - from that article and from others. I am nothing if not diligent - especially on matters of trivial import.

I could find nothing that would back up the idea it was necessarily Kool Aid, however, I believe the article I quoted noted the reason WHY people assumed it was, which was due to the older video of Jones and the Kool Aid stash.

I do remember the incident as it unfolded and recollect seeing clips of that video dashed all over the evening news. Which means that it would be logical, or at least conceivable, to assume it COULD be Kool Aid. Or at worst, understandable that an attribution error was made. Plus, who the heck outside of Chicago ever heard of Flavor Aid, anyhow?

One of the articles did note that the Kool Aid management made no effort to dispell the attribution, as they wisely decided it was a no win situation for them either way in terms of neg publicity.
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Plus, who the heck outside of Chicago ever heard of Flavor Aid, anyhow?.
I think JelSert is more known for wyler's lemonade, flavor ice and pop ice. They acquired royal pudding when kraft acquired jello and the ftc said they couldn't own both jello and royal.
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I think JelSert is more known for wyler's lemonade, flavor ice and pop ice. They acquired royal pudding when kraft acquired jello and the ftc said they couldn't own both jello and royal.
http://www.jelsert.com/
Well, they also own Hawaiian Punch and Diet Snapple, so they are not minor players in the beverage world.

I admit I havent been following the pudding wars to closely.

I tried to find that Jonestown Kool Aid video online - and gave up as it quickly got too depressing sifting thru the vids....
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May 31, 2012
 
What?

Kool Aid, Pepsi and Coke?

How Cheap.

Beggar's choice.

How about Pimm's Number 1, Strawberry Daiquiri, Angostura Bitters, Cinzano and Campari, Barley and Organic Honey Cordial, Perrier Water and the like eaten with the choicest canapes, kibbe, smoked Gouda with mushrooms, Baba Ganoush, Tahini and Pita, savory crepes and the like?

Dinner follows later.

The party's just warming up.

I left early.
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JOEL PASTAKIA wrote:
What?
Kool Aid, Pepsi and Coke?
How Cheap.
Beggar's choice.
How about Pimm's Number 1, Strawberry Daiquiri, Angostura Bitters, Cinzano and Campari, Barley and Organic Honey Cordial, Perrier Water and the like eaten with the choicest canapes, kibbe, smoked Gouda with mushrooms, Baba Ganoush, Tahini and Pita, savory crepes and the like?
Dinner follows later.
The party's just warming up.
I left early.
you don't eat or drink any of that stuff anyway. just porridge because my G-d keeps on attacking your vital systems because you are such a kvetch.
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http://www.jelsert.com/
Well, they also own Hawaiian Punch and Diet Snapple, so they are not minor players in the beverage world.
I admit I havent been following the pudding wars to closely.
I tried to find that Jonestown Kool Aid video online - and gave up as it quickly got too depressing sifting thru the vids....
What I find more depressing is that you are quoting Bill O'Reilly. eeewwwwwwwwwwwwww
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JOEL PASTAKIA wrote:
What?
Kool Aid, Pepsi and Coke?
How Cheap.
Beggar's choice.
How about Pimm's Number 1, Strawberry Daiquiri, Angostura Bitters, Cinzano and Campari, Barley and Organic Honey Cordial, Perrier Water and the like eaten with the choicest canapes, kibbe, smoked Gouda with mushrooms, Baba Ganoush, Tahini and Pita, savory crepes and the like?
Dinner follows later.
The party's just warming up.
I left early.
Noone said anything about Pepsi or Coke.

Pay attention, please.
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i have pushed back the attacks by your demonic g-d ever since he attacked me a few days ago when i was caught unawares. i suffered.

Your demonic g-d's end and your end nears.

i can feel your demonic g-d's angry vibes circulating around me trying to get into my aura.

No chance to invade and attack. i am prepared.
Frijoles

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What I find more depressing is that you are quoting Bill O'Reilly. eeewwwwwwwwwwwwww
Cooincidence I suppose. I dont watch him - I dont even own a TV anymore. We gave ours to Goodwill.

Was it the pudding wars mention?

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