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Protest in East Harlem against gentrification -

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#23
Aug 28, 2007
 
FAT TONE wrote:
THIS HAS BEEN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FOR YEARS AND NOW ALL OF THE SUDDEN ITS COOL AND THEY ARE TRYING TO PUSH US OUT.
SECONDLY, DON'T ACT AS IF YOU PIONEERED A NEIGHBORHOOD. HARLEM WAS A MIDDLE-CLASS ITALIAN AND JEW NEIGHBORHOOD. CAN I REALLY BITCH THAT A JEW IS GOING TO MOVE ONTO MY BLOCK WHEN THERE IS AN OLD TEMPLE FROM THE 1920'S THERE.

LIKE THE OTHER POSTER SAID, SEGREGATION IS OVER, DEAL WITH IT, OR COMMIT SUICIDE BY COP.
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#24
Aug 28, 2007
 
frown wrote:
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"Harlem Resident" - This protest was not about fighting 'market rate' rentals. This protest was about fighting rent increases that are above the legal yearly percentage. There is a good reason why rent increases are regulated. Because HOUSING IS A HUMAN RIGHT and we must protect low income people's right to have stable and sanitary housing. Just because you have a low paying job does not mean you should be homeless or have to move once a year. If rent hikes were not regulated our society would be burdened with higher rates of homelessness, crime, poverty and drug abuse (all results of the desperation of displacement).
HOUSING MAY BE A HUMAN RIGHT (NOT THAT THIS NATION CARE MUCH FOR HUMAN RIGHTS) BUT FAIR HOUSING DOES NOT EQUATE TO A TERRITORIAL CLAIM.

I MAY AGREE WITH YOUR POSITION OF DESPIRATION, HOWEVER, AS A PERSON WHO GREW UP IN HARLEM, AND HAS SEEN THE CHANGES I MUST TAKE ISSUE.

FAIR LOW INCOME HOUSING DOES NOT CURB HOMELESSNESS, DRUG USE, AND CRIME. FOR MY ENTIRE CHILDHOOD HARLEM WAS DRUG RIDDLED. WITH CHANGE CAME A GREATER PRIDE, A SENSE OF OWNERSHIP, AND RAISING OF CONSCIENCENESS. HOPE (THE ANTIDOTE TO DISPAIR) COMES ONLY WITH THE BELIEF THAT BETTER THINGS CAN COME.

DO I LIKE THAT PEOPLE ARE BEING DISPLACED - NO - BUT I KNOW OF NONE THAT I GREW UP WITH THAT ARE HOMELESS OF DRUG ADDLED BECAUSE THEY'VE MOVED TO THE BRONX OR QUEENS OF WHEREVER IT'S CHEAPER. HAVE I BEEN LUCKY, MAYBE. BUT I AM NOT GOING TO APOLOGIZE TO THE JUNKIES ACROSS THE STREET WHEN THE VACANT LOT GETS DEVELOPED.

WHATEVER...I'M ARGUING WITH LONG ISLANDERS WHO RARELY SET FOOT IN HARLEM - AND WHO NEVER WOULD HAVE ONLY 10 YEARS AGO.
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#26
Aug 29, 2007
 
HARLEM RESIDENT

NO ONE IS MOVING ME ANY WHERE. JUST BECAUSE "THEY" IT IS COOL NOW.

I DONT HAVE ANY WEAPONS BUT I HAVE TWO FIST. I CAN BOX AND I HAVE VERY FAST HANDS.

ONCE AGAIN NO ONE IS MOVING ME ANY WHERE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME ONE TRY IT.

PLEASE TRY.

THANK YOU
ANTONIO
Al Kahalik

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#27
Aug 29, 2007
 
FAT TONE wrote:
HARLEM RESIDENT
NO ONE IS MOVING ME ANY WHERE. JUST BECAUSE "THEY" IT IS COOL NOW.
I DONT HAVE ANY WEAPONS BUT I HAVE TWO FIST. I CAN BOX AND I HAVE VERY FAST HANDS.
ONCE AGAIN NO ONE IS MOVING ME ANY WHERE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME ONE TRY IT.
PLEASE TRY.
THANK YOU
ANTONIO
Boxing the government never crossed my mind. Good plan, sounds like you have it all figured.
Obama is Hellarys Bitch

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#28
Aug 29, 2007
 
FAT TONE wrote:
HARLEM RESIDENT
NO ONE IS MOVING ME ANY WHERE. JUST BECAUSE "THEY" IT IS COOL NOW.
I DONT HAVE ANY WEAPONS BUT I HAVE TWO FIST. I CAN BOX AND I HAVE VERY FAST HANDS.
ONCE AGAIN NO ONE IS MOVING ME ANY WHERE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME ONE TRY IT.
PLEASE TRY.
THANK YOU
ANTONIO
Antonio, sounds like you're pretty good with the crack pipe also.
FAT TONE

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#29
Aug 29, 2007
 
I DID NT SAY THAT I WOULD BOX THE GOVERMENT. I DID SAY THAT I WILL DEFEND MY RIGHT TO LIVE WHERE I WANT IN MY OWN NEIGBORHOOD.

I DID SAY THAT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO PROTECT MY SELF FROM ANY BODY WHO THINKS THEY CAN MOVE ME OUT OF MY HOME.

I REALLY DO WANT SOME BODY TO TRY.

PLEASE.

THANK YOU
ANT
surujonie

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#30
Sep 2, 2007
 
THe people in harlem should know what kind of prices the apartments should be, it is manhattan, it is common sense to know the prices would be high, and if you have 3 to five people living in an apartment of course you're rent would be alot.
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#31
Sep 2, 2007
 
THe people in harlem should know what kind of prices the apartments should be, it is manhattan, it is common sense to know the prices would be high, and if you have 3 to 5 people living in an apartment of course you're rent would be alot.
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#32
Sep 2, 2007
 
Of course it is a great idea. Harlem is no longer one of the most dangerous cities in America, El Barrio went from having 1,108 robberies and 31 murders in 1990, to having 322 roberies and 10 murders last year. Sure rent will rise but should rent control really be used by generation after generation of the same families.
Womba

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#33
Sep 3, 2007
 
They're tearing the community apart. They're destroying the culture.

Culture of drugs, rape and murder.
Gee, I'd fight hard to save that, wouldn't you ;)
Gato

Garnerville, NY

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#34
Sep 3, 2007
 
I agree with you Womba
roar

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#35
Sep 4, 2007
 
FAT TONE wrote:
HARLEM RESIDENT
NO ONE IS MOVING ME ANY WHERE. JUST BECAUSE "THEY" IT IS COOL NOW.
I DONT HAVE ANY WEAPONS BUT I HAVE TWO FIST. I CAN BOX AND I HAVE VERY FAST HANDS.
ONCE AGAIN NO ONE IS MOVING ME ANY WHERE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME ONE TRY IT.
PLEASE TRY.
THANK YOU
ANTONIO
LOL
Paul

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#36
Sep 5, 2007
 
frown wrote:
why is there so much hate on the internet. perhaps the anonymity of a comment stream makes people more confident in spewing hateful, racist, intolerant and ignorant rants.
just a few thoughts and clarificaitons:
"General patton" - El Barrio is not that dangerous. At least the residents are not that dangerous. They are mostly working class families of color who are more likely to work their hearts out selling delicious tamales for a dollar than
committing a crime. In fact, I have been harassed on the streets of East Harlem more by police than by my fellow neighbors. Also, tenants are not being pushed out by government taxes. They are being pushed out by criminal landlords who break the law by purposefully neglecting building maintenance, pushing out current residents so that they can raise rents beyond the legal yearly percentage.
"Harlem Resident" - This protest was not about fighting 'market rate' rentals. This protest was about fighting rent increases that are above the legal yearly percentage. There is a good reason why rent increases are regulated. Because HOUSING IS A HUMAN RIGHT and we must protect low income people's right to have stable and sanitary housing. Just because you have a low paying job does not mean you should be homeless or have to move once a year. If rent hikes were not regulated our society would be burdened with higher rates of homelessness, crime, poverty and drug abuse (all results of the desperation of displacement).
"Shadow1" - You forgot the 'white men' part of your gentrification definition. Not all of us can become white men by going to college. In fact a lot of us can't afford the leisure time or financial means to get this 'college education.' We all know it is important but - in a privatized education economy - we don't all have the resources. And if we did all get an education, than the value of a college degree would deflate. The Coup said it best, "If everybody in the ghetto had a PhD, you'd say 'that doctor flipped that burger hella good for me.'"
"Paul" - I get the sense from your question that you are very confused. What is this connection you are trying to make between 'well-fair housing' and rent increases? I believe the official neo-con analysis criticizes high taxes not high rents. Maybe you should play closer attention to Bill Oriely.
FROWN: We both have a rich uncle who will pay for college. It's called Uncle Sam, I served him, he sent my poor white butt to college..

Yet I still live in Jackson height Queens, so spare me the "white=rich" comments

Need a degree? Serve your country
roar

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#37
Sep 6, 2007
 
Shit, most could get loans, or aide.
Milu Green

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#38
Sep 22, 2007
 
frown wrote:
why is there so much hate on the internet. perhaps the anonymity of a comment stream makes people more confident in spewing hateful, racist, intolerant and ignorant rants.
just a few thoughts and clarificaitons:
"General patton" - El Barrio is not that dangerous. At least the residents are not that dangerous. They are mostly working class families of color who are more likely to work their hearts out selling delicious tamales for a dollar than
committing a crime. In fact, I have been harassed on the streets of East Harlem more by police than by my fellow neighbors. Also, tenants are not being pushed out by government taxes. They are being pushed out by criminal landlords who break the law by purposefully neglecting building maintenance, pushing out current residents so that they can raise rents beyond the legal yearly percentage.
"Harlem Resident" - This protest was not about fighting 'market rate' rentals. This protest was about fighting rent increases that are above the legal yearly percentage. There is a good reason why rent increases are regulated. Because HOUSING IS A HUMAN RIGHT and we must protect low income people's right to have stable and sanitary housing. Just because you have a low paying job does not mean you should be homeless or have to move once a year. If rent hikes were not regulated our society would be burdened with higher rates of homelessness, crime, poverty and drug abuse (all results of the desperation of displacement).
"Shadow1" - You forgot the 'white men' part of your gentrification definition. Not all of us can become white men by going to college. In fact a lot of us can't afford the leisure time or financial means to get this 'college education.' We all know it is important but - in a privatized education economy - we don't all have the resources. And if we did all get an education, than the value of a college degree would deflate. The Coup said it best, "If everybody in the ghetto had a PhD, you'd say 'that doctor flipped that burger hella good for me.'"
"Paul" - I get the sense from your question that you are very confused. What is this connection you are trying to make between 'well-fair housing' and rent increases? I believe the official neo-con analysis criticizes high taxes not high rents. Maybe you should play closer attention to Bill Oriely.
well said in every aspect
Milu Green

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#39
Sep 22, 2007
 
surujonie wrote:
THe people in harlem should know what kind of prices the apartments should be, it is manhattan, it is common sense to know the prices would be high, and if you have 3 to five people living in an apartment of course you're rent would be alot.
there are people paying 2700 a month for reformed crack dens and they still look like reformed crack dens, do you think that is the value of new york city? nyc is a gritty place where people are supposed to be able to survive from all walks of life point blank. the entire city is undergoing changes to transcend it to an elitist capitalistic upper middle class/high class estate. harlem was made harlem by the black community out of sake for refuge, it is our home and we built it (literally, like many other places in this city). the reason why homelessness increases is because people are displaced from their homes, homes which have been theirs for years, all for money. it is disgusting and atrocious. you can say all the market based crap that you want, but it boils down to black and latinos being displaced by people who have no business being here.
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#40
Sep 22, 2007
 
Harlemite wrote:
These people protesting are ridiculous. In the past 5 years Harlem has completely cleaned up and they are in better living conditions than ever. This protest is basically drug dealers who are asking for their turf back. No luck crackies. Go somewhere else. Manhattan is too valuable for your kind.
I 100% agree...work for your rent and I dont mean sell drugs for it. Manhattan's space is too valuable for this nonsense. Lived in the UES for almost 5 years....not letting some crack slangers ruin my life.
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#41
Sep 22, 2007
 
Obama is Hellarys Bitch wrote:
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Antonio, sounds like you're pretty good with the crack pipe also.
hahaha.:) Antonio, turn off the caps. It's not nice to yell and smoke crack at the same time. Bad e-Ettiquette.
roar

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#43
Sep 23, 2007
 
Milu Green wrote:
<quoted text>
there are people paying 2700 a month for reformed crack dens and they still look like reformed crack dens, do you think that is the value of new york city? nyc is a gritty place where people are supposed to be able to survive from all walks of life point blank. the entire city is undergoing changes to transcend it to an elitist capitalistic upper middle class/high class estate. harlem was made harlem by the black community out of sake for refuge, it is our home and we built it (literally, like many other places in this city). the reason why homelessness increases is because people are displaced from their homes, homes which have been theirs for years, all for money. it is disgusting and atrocious. you can say all the market based crap that you want, but it boils down to black and latinos being displaced by people who have no business being here.
Actually Italians built harlem
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