Panthers hope Stillman gets his Cup touch back

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The Stanley Cup seems to have followed Cory Stillman around recently. Stillman, who signed with the Panthers on July 1, is one of only six players to win hockey's biggest prize in consecutive seasons with ...

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Jul 13, 2008
 
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I don't think Bouwmeester has been a baby. He doesn't really say much one way or the other so I think that's a little off base on your part. Him wanting to leave is just speculation at this point. If he does want to leave and plays hard his final contract year here I can't see why anyone would have hard feelings toward him especially if the team miss the playoffs again. So far Bouw has played every game 4/5 years here and has been the team's best defenseman for most of that period. Hard to fault a guy for wanting to move on from this team especially when they took him to arbitration a couple years ago when he was looking to stay long term.
I agree with you on Horton. it's time for him to become a 40 goal scorer and for a lot of other guys to score at least somewhere around 20 this year if true improvemnt is going to be made.
Speculation? It's NEVER been more clear. The guy wants Phaneuf money, he's close to getting it here..And yet..he doesn't want it FROM here. What does that tell you?

Damn! Get a friggin' clue!
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Hate to post this but here goes:
Except for a few hard core fans,most of you in sofla are poor imitations. All you care about is W's.You wouldnt care if the 2 teams skated around in a circle for 60 minutes and a Panther player put one in to win 1-0. Then you d look at the standings,tell all your friends who dont know a blueline from a net that they simply must go to the games at BAC as it is now the "in thing" to do. Nothing to see but they WIN!! You can all call each other on your cell phones and wave at each other.PATHETIC.. This team has,for the most part played exciting hockey and has been around the .500 mark the past few years. Great? Absolutely not and no playoffs. But pathetic and a farm team as you have posted NOT either.I dont work for the Panthers but I did pray for Gil Hodges back in the 50s when he was 0 for 21 in the World Series. We all did. We didnt bash or boo him. Take a lesson,learn the game and get with the program.
Thx gogo-to much doom and gloom here-the panthers are not the best but they aint the worst either-they are stuck in the .500 average team rut because of cheap ownership-our fate is now in the hands of Martin and his methodical patient approach.It will take him another 2-3 years to change this under current conditions-the big positive here is we finally have consistent leadership until 2013.I have a wait and see attitude.
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#103
Jul 14, 2008
 
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I was with King Blabber tonite at the Panther Celebration at Americas Outdoor Barbeque.I was listening intently as Blabber asked Cory Stillman why he chose to sign with the Panthers.He said that he viewed the Panthers as an up and coming young team and he said the teams defense will be greatly improved.Stillman said he had offers from other teams but he chose the Panthers.He also said the Panthers need to learn how to win and said the new coach will help in that area.
He seemed very sincere to me.I asked Randy Moeller about Jay Bouwmeester stating that it looks like Bou wants to leave.He said Bouwmeester has not said anything either way and he talks very little to other players.He said there has been alot of talk.I frankly think Bou wants out for a cup contender and a Canadien team but who knows.Nobody knows how things will turn out with any certainty.Stillman is alot like Lindsey-he is a down to earth guy and I feel he is sincere and King Blabber had the same opinion.
what did you expect him to say?

"i know my hockey career is on a downward swing. i love florida - the beaches, sunshine and, yes, the babes. i took this offer in florida because there are no high expectations, this team receives no significant media coverage (thus they won't bash my diminshed performance, the fans, for the most part, are completely uninformed about the NHL and hockey in general and i needed to pad my retirement account. oh, yes. i almost forgot...

alan cohen is a true hockey visionary and michael yormark's integrity is legendary.

that is why i decided to come to this pathetic excuse for a professional hockey team.
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Speculation? It's NEVER been more clear. The guy wants Phaneuf money, he's close to getting it here..And yet..he doesn't want it FROM here. What does that tell you?
Damn! Get a friggin' clue!
I've got more than a clue 2+2, I agree, I think he is going to bolt but until he does....
I just threw that out there for the poeple who are already have started bashing him. Whether you like him as player or not I'm just pointing out that he has not said one thing about staying or leaving. He is keeping his mouth shut and doing his job. So if he plays out this year and leaves than I don't think anyone can really be phissed at him.
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Hate to post this but here goes:
Except for a few hard core fans,most of you in sofla are poor imitations. All you care about is W's.You wouldnt care if the 2 teams skated around in a circle for 60 minutes and a Panther player put one in to win 1-0. Then you d look at the standings,tell all your friends who dont know a blueline from a net that they simply must go to the games at BAC as it is now the "in thing" to do. Nothing to see but they WIN!! You can all call each other on your cell phones and wave at each other.PATHETIC.. This team has,for the most part played exciting hockey and has been around the .500 mark the past few years. Great? Absolutely not and no playoffs. But pathetic and a farm team as you have posted NOT either.I dont work for the Panthers but I did pray for Gil Hodges back in the 50s when he was 0 for 21 in the World Series. We all did. We didnt bash or boo him. Take a lesson,learn the game and get with the program.
Sorry gogo - but thats a load of malarkey. Frankly I'm tired of all the condescending canadians and other “northerners”, looking down their noses at us poor uninformed south florida hockey fans, who don't a know blue line from cloths line. When are you people going to understand - we are all from up north somewhere - we all grew up with hockey! It's not a sport we just discovered in the last two or three years. Good god, get off your high horses.

And excuse me Mr. Hockeyintellectual, that I express frustration because I don't think we improved significantly goning into next season, after two seasons of what you call .500 hockey, the rest of the league calls MEDIOCRE hockey (when they are in a good mood).

Fact of the matter is I love hockey - good, bad, or indifferent, and by virtue of the fact that I am, and all these other "doom and gloomers" are, hanging out on these message boards in the middle of July - should tell a little something about how much we value the sport.

As for my/our pounding on Panthers management:

1. I am not happy with .500 hockey after 7 years of no playoffs;

2. I am tired of hearing the same old BS year after year (ie we just have be patient, we are rebuilding etc);

3. I don't like the fact we always get rid of our best assets for unequal returns (luongo trade etc);

4. I am getting tired of quality people who would seemingly prefer just to walk away from the organization;

5. I am very frustrated watching other organizations, such as Philadelphia and Chicago, "turn things around", while the Panthers flat line (with same old BS I outlined above);

6. Mostly I am tired of not having what Al Davis calls "A Commitment to Excellence". Its just not there from management/ownership.

Everybody says Yormack and Cohen are these great businessmen; they're just not hockey guys. I don't know how true the first statement is, because they are sitting on the greatest untapped hockey market in North America! Anyone who was here in '96 knows what this town is capable of. But this is South Florida - and South Florida does support winners. You don't have to be a champion every year - but you do have be competitive. 500 hockey is not competitive. If the Panthers were a playoff team, and made runs into May every once in while, they would put 18,000+ in the BA barn for every game.

Just my opinion. For what it worth, Vic I agree with a great deal of what you say, and I really hope you're right, I guess I’m just a little tired of waiting.
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#106
Jul 14, 2008
 
Jagr out of NHL/Rangers in Russia, Straka back in Europe-what that tells you,about NHL in general and S.Fla in particular ? Is hockey here booming ???
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Jul 14, 2008
 
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Jagr out of NHL/Rangers in Russia, Straka back in Europe-what that tells you,about NHL in general and S.Fla in particular ? Is hockey here booming ???
Hey Man..

Step away from the crack-pipe.
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Jul 15, 2008
 
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Everybody says Yormack and Cohen are these great businessmen; they're just not hockey guys. I don't know how true the first statement is, because they are sitting on the greatest untapped hockey market in North America! Anyone who was here in '96 knows what this town is capable of. But this is South Florida - and South Florida does support winners. You don't have to be a champion every year - but you do have be competitive. 500 hockey is not competitive. If the Panthers were a playoff team, and made runs into May every once in while, they would put 18,000+ in the BA barn for every game.
Just my opinion. For what it worth, Vic I agree with a great deal of what you say, and I really hope you're right, I guess I’m just a little tired of waiting.
I agree with just about everything you've posted, but I would suggest that South Florida is a tougher market for pro sports than you think. I seem to remember the Dolphins making the playoffs years back and then not selling out that first playoff game. There are no other NFL markets where that would happen.

The problem with both the Panthers and the Marlins is that they've done things over the years that fans perceive as sacrificing the on the field product in order to cut costs. And the Dolphins, Marlins and Panthers have all experienced countless changes in team management and coaching, which has left fans feeling jerked around, especially as these teams continually go on roster rebuilding programs.

I think the Dolpins are probably better off than the other pro sports teams if only because they have a longer heritage/legacy/tradition. Kids have grown up with them in their backyard, and grown-ups have seen them here for most of their adult lives. That's kind of like the way things are in cities that have long-standing franchises and kids grow up in a Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, Jets, Giants, Patriots, etc. family. In other words, there is a root structure for their fan base - and if not for a specific team, then for the pro sport itselft. But hockey and baseball have more tenuous roots here. The net result is a fan base that easily gets disinterested and stops paying for seats. I believe that is why the Marlins still don't draw nearly as many fans as they should this year despite playing some very good ball and being right in the hunt. They are actually an exciting team to watch.
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I agree with just about everything you've posted, but I would suggest that South Florida is a tougher market for pro sports than you think. I seem to remember the Dolphins making the playoffs years back and then not selling out that first playoff game. There are no other NFL markets where that would happen.
The problem with both the Panthers and the Marlins is that they've done things over the years that fans perceive as sacrificing the on the field product in order to cut costs. And the Dolphins, Marlins and Panthers have all experienced countless changes in team management and coaching, which has left fans feeling jerked around, especially as these teams continually go on roster rebuilding programs.
I think the Dolpins are probably better off than the other pro sports teams if only because they have a longer heritage/legacy/tradition. Kids have grown up with them in their backyard, and grown-ups have seen them here for most of their adult lives. That's kind of like the way things are in cities that have long-standing franchises and kids grow up in a Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, Jets, Giants, Patriots, etc. family. In other words, there is a root structure for their fan base - and if not for a specific team, then for the pro sport itselft. But hockey and baseball have more tenuous roots here. The net result is a fan base that easily gets disinterested and stops paying for seats. I believe that is why the Marlins still don't draw nearly as many fans as they should this year despite playing some very good ball and being right in the hunt. They are actually an exciting team to watch.
Agreed. Plus a large portion of the population comes from South and Central America where soccer is king.

People don't pay to see losers. I remember when both Vancouver and Calgary couldn't get people in the arenas. There was a time when the Blues considered moving to Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. When the Panthers start winning people will start showing up unless the economy falls into a depression then all bets are off. At the rate we are going there may be a better chance of a depression than a Panthers playoff win.
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Jul 15, 2008
 
Interesting post from BB blog at PBP:

By season tickey holder since day one
July 15, 2008 6:57 AM | Link to this

Has anyone checked the ownership group of our cross state rival Tampa Bay Lightning.

Interesting to look at the minority owners.

Two names should pop out right away: Jordan Zimmerman and Dr. Rick Lehman.

Why should they pop out it is because they are also minority owners of the Florida Panthers.

The league says this is legal.

Zimmerman said:“we are just improving our odds of winning”

No wonder this is the worst run organization in the league, not only do we have players jumping ship we now have owners having ownership with the direct competition.

Where is Cohen, he should buy these guys out immediately.

Why has this not been reported?

You want fans to believe the organization is committed to winning how can you believe this when the owners of the team are also owners of your cross state rival.

Do these guys share secrets with the other group, do they work harder for one team over the other, do they commit more financially to one team over the other.

I never thought the management of this team could go any lower but boy was I wrong, this is as low as it gets (at least I hope so)
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Holy Cow wrote:
Interesting post from BB blog at PBP:
By season tickey holder since day one
July 15, 2008 6:57 AM | Link to this
Has anyone checked the ownership group of our cross state rival Tampa Bay Lightning.
Interesting to look at the minority owners.
Two names should pop out right away: Jordan Zimmerman and Dr. Rick Lehman.
Why should they pop out it is because they are also minority owners of the Florida Panthers.
The league says this is legal.
Zimmerman said:“we are just improving our odds of winning”
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Maybe what Zimmerman means is improving his odds of winning an advertising account! Originally, Zimmerman's ad firm did most of the ads for the Panthers, but I seem to remember hearing that they weren't the agency of record for the Panthers anymore. I don't know if it's true or not.

But the whole story points to a larger problem - that being the poor job Bettman has done running the league. It is no coincidence that he is booed in just about every arena he shows up at. Fans simply don't like him. When you see deals like this, which allow even a small level of cross ownership, the blame has to fall on league management. Team owners just want the money - witness how Cohen used Kosar to help win public opinion when he bought the franchise and them unceremoniously told him that his public involvement was no longer needed once the deal was done. Given how the franchise could use all the marketing help it can get, to throw away any opportunity to build fan support is foolish - and worst of all the league never lifted a finger to smooth things over. Having Kosar out and about in the community pumping up fans is far more likely to help ticket sales than Yormack or any of team's owners doing the same. As with any organization, people lower down in the food chain take their lead from the top dog, and Bettman does a poor job as the top dog.
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That is true they do say it every year and it went in one ear and out the other.
Maybe that is why they made trades to get players that will change the dressing room mentality. I liked Olli, I was his biggest fan but I also watched 80 of the 82 games last season and he was terrible. I can't tell you how many times I saw him give up the puck. It was his worst year, no doubt. In the middle of the season I was thinking he had personal problems because his head wasn't in the game and that was before the Zednik incident. I wish him well in Phoenix, I think what the management said in their e-mails is disgusting. That said Panthers needed a change and they made a big one. From everything I read Ballard is a great pick-up. Boynton was a throw in but is tough. Now the Panthers add Stillman. There is a change in the dressing with new players and new coaches. I find this as real change and a good change that the team needed.
"it's a story that's been been handed to them time and time again"
This is true, the Panthers have obviously been trying to change the mind set every year, lets hope this year they do.
Yes!! I love Ollie too and believe he just had too much on his mind ..I think he needed a good friend''I wont go into why I say that but I regret not reaching out to him in some way. I think he'll be better off now. Why does it seem like S.Fl. loves to screw everything up? Is it like this everywhere or is there hope???
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Maybe what Zimmerman means is improving his odds of winning an advertising account! Originally, Zimmerman's ad firm did most of the ads for the Panthers, but I seem to remember hearing that they weren't the agency of record for the Panthers anymore. I don't know if it's true or not.
But the whole story points to a larger problem - that being the poor job Bettman has done running the league. It is no coincidence that he is booed in just about every arena he shows up at. Fans simply don't like him. When you see deals like this, which allow even a small level of cross ownership, the blame has to fall on league management. Team owners just want the money - witness how Cohen used Kosar to help win public opinion when he bought the franchise and them unceremoniously told him that his public involvement was no longer needed once the deal was done. Given how the franchise could use all the marketing help it can get, to throw away any opportunity to build fan support is foolish - and worst of all the league never lifted a finger to smooth things over. Having Kosar out and about in the community pumping up fans is far more likely to help ticket sales than Yormack or any of team's owners doing the same. As with any organization, people lower down in the food chain take their lead from the top dog, and Bettman does a poor job as the top dog.
If I lose the race, I'll buy the Panthers from Cohen-everyone will adore the new ownership !!!(tip : Stewart will be the next C)
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Zimmerman is a genius..
He loves Hockey and the game..
That is why he is no longer listed in the program as the second senior owner..
He owns much less of the team..
Jordan now goes to the game with his family, and enjoys the thrill of the game, regardless of outcome, and has little to do with the Circus boys.. Yormark and Cohen..PT Barnum and his boss..
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Holy Cow wrote:
Interesting post from BB blog at PBP:
By season tickey holder since day one
July 15, 2008 6:57 AM | Link to this
Has anyone checked the ownership group of our cross state rival Tampa Bay Lightning.
Interesting to look at the minority owners.
Two names should pop out right away: Jordan Zimmerman and Dr. Rick Lehman.
Why should they pop out it is because they are also minority owners of the Florida Panthers.
The league says this is legal.
Zimmerman said:“we are just improving our odds of winning”
No wonder this is the worst run organization in the league, not only do we have players jumping ship we now have owners having ownership with the direct competition.
Where is Cohen, he should buy these guys out immediately.
Why has this not been reported?
You want fans to believe the organization is committed to winning how can you believe this when the owners of the team are also owners of your cross state rival.
Do these guys share secrets with the other group, do they work harder for one team over the other, do they commit more financially to one team over the other.
I never thought the management of this team could go any lower but boy was I wrong, this is as low as it gets (at least I hope so)
As sad as this sounds, it makes complete sense from a business perspective. Since the Florida Panthers are basically an NHL farm team, Tampa's ownership wants to make sure they have inside connections to any of Florida's worthwhile prospects. Tampa already scored Boyle and Prospal for nothing. I'm sure they'd love to do that again by grabbing JayBo, Weiss, Mattias or any other players Florida develops and alienates because of cheap ownership. Tamapa is a smart club being run by smart people who know hockey.

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