Current Packers DE Hargrove says it's not his voice in clip about Saints bounty program

Jun 19, 2012 Full story: WTMJ-AM Milwaukee 94

Former Saints and current Packers defensive end Anthony Hargrove says it's not his voice saying "Give me the money" in a video used by the NFL as evidence in its investigation of the New Orleans bounty program.

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GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#1 Jun 20, 2012
Why would Hargrove expect payment for a hit that he wasn't involved in? The third-quarter hit that injured Favre's ankle came at the hands of McCray and defensive tackle Remi Ayodele.

I think the NFL and Roger Goodell may have jumped to a foolish conclusion. I bet the NFL doesn't shorten the suspension, even if they are wrong. That is the problem with having Goodell as the prosecutor, judge and appeals judge.
eric

Marshfield, WI

#2 Jun 20, 2012
Even if Goodell missed it,he seem light on punishment by shortening,which is a shame IF Hargrove or any of the guys are not guilty,they should not be suspended and should recieve an appology from the NFL,BUT,If Hargrove or any of the guys are guilty,then it has to be done,but, they are getting paid to hurt players anyway,its the NFL and the game plan is to HIT and ( sometimes unfortunately injure) its opponents( qb,RB,WR ect)Anthony Hargrove swore on his career that it was not his voice on that tape,so i hope hes right with a challenge like that.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#3 Jun 20, 2012
Either it isn't Hargrove's voice and the NFL accused the wrong person, or it is and he can't logcally be asking for money for injuring Favre, beause he didn't even hit him on that play. Either way, the NFL looks like idiots! If that is the NFL's best proof of a bounty program that paid players to injure targeted players, Goodell is in trouble wih that Vilma lawsuit. I haven't seen anything that proves a bounty program like Goodell has accused the Saints of running. There is no doubt the Saints had a game performance bonus system, but it may well be true they didn't arget players for injury. Goodell has used the allegation of targeting players for injury to support the suspensions. If that isn't true, I certainly believe the suspensions are too long. Plus, the Packers had their own game performance bonus program. I don't like that Goodell can punish based upon allegations and accusations without proof. Who knows which team will be next.
eric

Marshfield, WI

#4 Jun 20, 2012
I just wonder how many teams have pools amung the players ( each guy kicks in a certain amount for a specific thing,may it be most tackles,sacks,forced T.O.) or maybe hard hits ect.and N.O. just happened to be the team that got popped with it.
Also,where else can you go? IF you can pop players and teams for a bounty program,how about a friendly bet between players?
( for instance the super bowl in Jan 11,when Scott Walker ( wis) bet some cheese with Penn.gov ernor ( who bet a Philly cheesesteak) on the SB and if its ok for 2 governors to bet on the SB,why not let a player bet with another player they are playing against,,so where does it end or where can they go with any of it?
eric

Marshfield, WI

#5 Jun 20, 2012
in other words if GB was playing Minn,so a GB player bet a Minn player each betting on their respective teams. and not betting on other games or other teams where it can be thrown,point is,I wonder if side bets are made between players.and if so,what the NFL would do since betting is a big NO,but, Players bet in vegas on other things id think..
Pete Rose betting on Baseball nailed him,he said he always bet on the Reds but in a game Pete didnt bet,it can be thought Pete didnt bet on the Reds that night because of injury and or he didnt like the odds so it can be read that way as well,,Just many thoughts
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#6 Jun 20, 2012
I actually support the NFL getting rid of ANY game performance bouses, incentives, pools, bets, bouties, payments, or anythig else youmight call them. I see them as a form of betting and I agree with the NFL's zero tolerance policy on betting. I don't agree with one person controlling access eo the results of an investigation and then being allowed to characterize the results any way he wants. Goodell does have a motive to APPEAR to be doing something about player safety, since the NFL is being sued. By making it look like the players are viscious and he's the nice guy, he may hope that jurors will forget that the NFL told players for the first 90 years to shake off that concussion and get back in the game. The VERY RECENT emphasis on player safety has never seemed very genuine to me. The fact that Goodell has tied "bounties" to safety is misleading to begin with. Just watch, the hitting and injuries will not decrease in the slightest after the NFL eliminates bounties and game performance bonus programs.
GBPmies

Finland

#7 Jun 20, 2012
Watching the video it does really seem like Hargrove said ‘pay me my money’. You can hear and see him say ‘Bobby’ but you don’t see who said ‘pay me my money’. I think it was Remi Ayodele his body language fits the video perfectly this the sound. He leans over to the left towards another player then you hear ‘pay me my money’ and he leans back the other way. Plus Ayodele was responcible for the hit that injured Favre not Hargrove.

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Former New Orleans Saints defensive lineman Earl Heyman concurs that Hargrove was not the player who said "pay me my money" in video evidence the NFL presented this week. Heyman said he was standing behind the conversation that took place and knows who actually said it.
It probably doesn’t matter if Rodger wants to take Hargrove down he will. What is anyone gonna do about it.

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#8 Jun 20, 2012
eric wrote:
Even if Goodell missed it,he seem light on punishment by shortening,which is a shame IF Hargrove or any of the guys are not guilty,they should not be suspended and should recieve an appology from the NFL,BUT,If Hargrove or any of the guys are guilty,then it has to be done,but, they are getting paid to hurt players anyway,its the NFL and the game plan is to HIT and ( sometimes unfortunately injure) its opponents( qb,RB,WR ect)Anthony Hargrove swore on his career that it was not his voice on that tape,so i hope hes right with a challenge like that.
Anthony Hargrove has been suspended 2 times in the past..this is his third time. Wake up. So he didn't know anything about a bounty program that was in place and that the coaches have apologized for? So the coaches had a bounty program but no players were involved? So it was a fantasy bounty system? If a player got $10,000 for ending AR's career you would be singing a different tune. You should be happy they got caught and stopped before something like that happened. You should wake up and see what the difference is for getting paid to play the sport and getting paid under the table to injure and mame another player. Ever hear of sportsmanship? Guess it was ok for suh to stomp on a packer when he was down? So you believed him when he said he didn't do it. He should get an apology from the NFL with your way of thinking.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#9 Jun 20, 2012
Okay. It was other Saints players that injured Favre. And it was one of them that said "Pay me my money." Then why did Ayodele and McCray get no suspension while Hargrove got 8 games? I have never questioned Goodell's right to punish the involved players. In fact, I believe he should, but the punishments should not be unfair or arbitrary.
eric

Marshfield, WI

#10 Jun 20, 2012
i THOUGHT it was pretty clear pakluv1.Hargrove swears hes innocent and so if he is,the NFL should apologize,if Hargrove is guilty then the punishment should stand but either way players are getting paid to injure players anyway.Look how hard defensive players are hitting offensive players.Dlineman and LB take pride in hitting the qb hard and they get paid for it.
Suh stomping on someone arm while they are down and the play is over is different then hitting BF hard but clean.IF they had a program,they should be nailed if guilty,but, again, players are being paid now and im sure a good chunk of defensive players take pride in laying in good,powerful hits on qb,RB or WR is the point.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#11 Jun 20, 2012
packluv1 wrote:
<quoted text> Anthony Hargrove has been suspended 2 times in the past..this is his third time. Wake up. So he didn't know anything about a bounty program that was in place and that the coaches have apologized for? So the coaches had a bounty program but no players were involved? So it was a fantasy bounty system? If a player got $10,000 for ending AR's career you would be singing a different tune. You should be happy they got caught and stopped before something like that happened. You should wake up and see what the difference is for getting paid to play the sport and getting paid under the table to injure and mame another player. Ever hear of sportsmanship? Guess it was ok for suh to stomp on a packer when he was down? So you believed him when he said he didn't do it. He should get an apology from the NFL with your way of thinking.
Thanks. I thought the Bears were trying to take out our QB every game they play. Now that Anthony Hargrove has been unfairly accused and punished, I guess Aaron Rodgers is safe from those Bear pussies. They won't be able to hit him hard now that Hargrove was blamed for something he didn't do.

BTW I do believe Hargrove and any other player unfairly punished by Goodell (ever) should receive an apology. I'm sure Goodell would never be man enough to do that, but it doesn't change the fact that he owes them an apology. And I never said he didn't know about a game performance bonus system. It is clear he knew that some kind of payments were being made and received. However, he didn't hurt Favre and there is no evidence Favre was targeted. You might like it when someone gets blamed and punished for what other people did, but I don't think that is fair.

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#12 Jun 20, 2012
GBPfan wrote:
Okay. It was other Saints players that injured Favre. And it was one of them that said "Pay me my money." Then why did Ayodele and McCray get no suspension while Hargrove got 8 games? I have never questioned Goodell's right to punish the involved players. In fact, I believe he should, but the punishments should not be unfair or arbitrary.
When he doesn't know anything about a bounty system that his coach is on tape preaching and the defense is based around he is lying. The coach apologized for the bounty system. Any player that says he didn't know about it is full of crap.So I don't believe them when it comes to details of who said what. No credibility.

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#13 Jun 20, 2012
eric wrote:
i THOUGHT it was pretty clear pakluv1.Hargrove swears hes innocent and so if he is,the NFL should apologize,if Hargrove is guilty then the punishment should stand but either way players are getting paid to injure players anyway.Look how hard defensive players are hitting offensive players.Dlineman and LB take pride in hitting the qb hard and they get paid for it.
Suh stomping on someone arm while they are down and the play is over is different then hitting BF hard but clean.IF they had a program,they should be nailed if guilty,but, again, players are being paid now and im sure a good chunk of defensive players take pride in laying in good,powerful hits on qb,RB or WR is the point.
Like I said you need to wake up.

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#14 Jun 20, 2012
GBPfan wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks. I thought the Bears were trying to take out our QB every game they play. Now that Anthony Hargrove has been unfairly accused and punished, I guess Aaron Rodgers is safe from those Bear pussies. They won't be able to hit him hard now that Hargrove was blamed for something he didn't do.
BTW I do believe Hargrove and any other player unfairly punished by Goodell (ever) should receive an apology. I'm sure Goodell would never be man enough to do that, but it doesn't change the fact that he owes them an apology. And I never said he didn't know about a game performance bonus system. It is clear he knew that some kind of payments were being made and received. However, he didn't hurt Favre and there is no evidence Favre was targeted. You might like it when someone gets blamed and punished for what other people did, but I don't think that is fair.
So when williams was coaching this system that he has admitted too...hargove was a sleep? On sunday's when the game is being played and they are playing the bounty system and they are all talking about the hits and the cash for the hits....he doesn't know what they are talking about? Never heard of it? Maybe he is still on drugs? wow.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#15 Jun 20, 2012
packluv1 wrote:
<quoted text> When he doesn't know anything about a bounty system that his coach is on tape preaching and the defense is based around he is lying. The coach apologized for the bounty system. Any player that says he didn't know about it is full of crap.So I don't believe them when it comes to details of who said what. No credibility.
MY POINT was the fairness issue and the accuracy of Goodell's allegations. Hargrove didn't injure Favre, so he certainly wasn't paid for injuring him. If that is the basis for suspending him 8 weeks then why did the players that actually injured Favre get no suspensions?

And Goodell has said the players targeted other players, and people like you accept that without any proof. Williams apologized, but he never aplogized for a "bounty system." Any game performance bonuses are against the rules and would explain the reason he apologized. However, it is clear that people consider a bounty program something more, and if Williams ever said the Saints had a "bounty program" I would love to see it. Williams is heard firing up his players, but he never says anything about paying them money to take out any players. In fact, I haven't seen any evidence that proves players were targeted. And even IF there is evidence of a "bounty program" the punishments should be fair. You act as though every person that heard Williams pregame speech is guilty. Guilty of what? Hearing him? Well then why were only 4 punished? Apparently, Goodell disagrees with you.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#16 Jun 20, 2012
packluv1 wrote:
<quoted text>So when williams was coaching this system that he has admitted too...hargove was a sleep? On sunday's when the game is being played and they are playing the bounty system and they are all talking about the hits and the cash for the hits....he doesn't know what they are talking about? Never heard of it? Maybe he is still on drugs? wow.
I'm sure the players were awake. Are you saying that only 4 Saints players were awake while Williams was coaching? Obviously Goodell didn't suspend for merely knowing of the program, unless you think only 4 players knew. Goodell has made specific allegations against these players. The clip of Hargrove ALLEGEDLY saying "pay me the money" was obviously meant to suggest he was paid to injure Favre, but since he didn't even hit him that play, it is pretty clear that the NFL is putting out some very misleading info. Why? Why use such deceptive tactics? If they have good evidence, why not use that?

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#17 Jun 20, 2012
GBPfan wrote:
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I'm sure the players were awake. Are you saying that only 4 Saints players were awake while Williams was coaching? Obviously Goodell didn't suspend for merely knowing of the program, unless you think only 4 players knew. Goodell has made specific allegations against these players. The clip of Hargrove ALLEGEDLY saying "pay me the money" was obviously meant to suggest he was paid to injure Favre, but since he didn't even hit him that play, it is pretty clear that the NFL is putting out some very misleading info. Why? Why use such deceptive tactics? If they have good evidence, why not use that?
Hargrove also said he didn't know anything about a bounty system. Every player,owner, coach knew about this bounty system. Hargrove is a drug addict.2 very long suspensions . That is a fact. Goodell is not a drug addict. The NFL is a money making product that Goodell over sees. The last thing he wants to do is damage the product. So he must have had some good proof to have to bring this out in the open. You guys deserve a drug addict player that has never been any good.

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#18 Jun 20, 2012
eric wrote:
I just wonder how many teams have pools amung the players ( each guy kicks in a certain amount for a specific thing,may it be most tackles,sacks,forced T.O.) or maybe hard hits ect.and N.O. just happened to be the team that got popped with it.
Also,where else can you go? IF you can pop players and teams for a bounty program,how about a friendly bet between players?
( for instance the super bowl in Jan 11,when Scott Walker ( wis) bet some cheese with Penn.gov ernor ( who bet a Philly cheesesteak) on the SB and if its ok for 2 governors to bet on the SB,why not let a player bet with another player they are playing against,,so where does it end or where can they go with any of it?
Did you hear the tape of williams talking about hurting players? Listen to it. You probably still will not get it. So you think betting between governors is the same as a bounty system to ruin the career of another player? Wow. but than again you think you are an owner of an nfl team. I'm surprised eric, thought you had a little more class then that. Well I hope AR gets paralyzed for the rest of he's life by SUH. I hope it's a late hit. AR lifeless on the field at lamebeau, jumbo tron playing the late hit over and over. Game delayed. season over. AR life changed forever. That would be worth $10,000.
eric

Marshfield, WI

#19 Jun 20, 2012
WOW,first you miss my point and end with the most unsportsmanlike statement on the planet.Way to show some class!
eric

Marshfield, WI

#20 Jun 20, 2012
packluv1 wrote:
<quoted text> Did you hear the tape of williams talking about hurting players? Listen to it. You probably still will not get it. So you think betting between governors is the same as a bounty system to ruin the career of another player? Wow. but than again you think you are an owner of an nfl team. I'm surprised eric, thought you had a little more class then that. Well I hope AR gets paralyzed for the rest of he's life by SUH. I hope it's a late hit. AR lifeless on the field at lamebeau, jumbo tron playing the late hit over and over. Game delayed. season over. AR life changed forever. That would be worth $10,000.
Sportsmanship,with a statement like that.
So exactly what point did you miss?
This morning Hargrove swore on his career he didnt participate in the program...Saying that....Alls i said was,since he put his career on the line,If hes correct,the NFL should appologise,IF hes knew and is lying,then the NFL should nail him,,im sorry you didnt get it,Its not classless but again,ending a statement the way you did,takes a ton of credibility from you,thats pathetic and sad.

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