Cleveland open to quarterback trade talk

If Turner is the coordinator, it wouldn't matter if we got Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Brett Favre, etc.

As I stated all season... The Bears have few, if any, offensive playmakers (other than Hester, perhaps). BUT, even with what we had, Ron Turner ACTUALLY made them worse than they were. His play calling, game scripting ( whatever you want to call it), crippled this offense. He is the second worst offensive coordinator that I have seen in my 40 years as a fan (Shoop being only slightly worse).

Turner cannot judge talent, has consistently displayed that he cannot utilize what little talent we had, cannot design plays, cannot change game plan based on opponent/conditions, etc., etc., etc...

I (We) have all read, heard, argued, about his incompetence all season long on these comment blogs. It is time for him to go... Bye, bye, RON!

FIRE TURNER NOW!

too many other needs for the Bears to give up a first and third rounder for him

Brady Quinn will be a bust. they better trade him. you see what the chargers got from trading away Brees.

I'm very surprised ath this news from Cleveland. Of course they should move Anderson, but I figured they would trade Quinn. Nice to to see some forward thinking in teh NFL. Anderson is a flash in the pan while Quinn has the potential to be the real deal. As a Bears fan I don't want either one. The Bears have a need at every single offensive position escept center and tight end. Tehy have no running back, no offensive line, and no wide receivers. Get 2 or 3 lineman, 2 or 3 wide outs and a running back to complement Benson (and no you can't cut him, the salary cap hit would be too great, ditto for Griese btw so he's here to stay as well) and you might have a slim playoff shot. Worry about the QB later. I've been reasonably pleased with Orton and Grossman recently and the two of them should compete for a spot. As far as firing Turner, I disagree. He's a middle of the road coordinator at best, but he has absolutely no talent. You can't compete when you have no receivers or running backs. Get some of those and I'll judge him (and frankly the QB's as well).

Dean G. wrote above: "As far as firing Turner, I disagree. He's a middle of the road coordinator at best, but he has absolutely no talent. You can't compete when you have no receivers or running backs. Get some of those and I'll judge him (and frankly the QB's as well)."

Sorry, Dean, but the lack of talent does not excuse Turner's utter stupidity. Are you new to this city? Were you watching the Bears this year? Or do you really think it is a good idea to run Wolfe up the middle from your own 1 yard line? Etc.? Etc.? Etc.? There are WAY too many bonehead mistakes by Turner to give him a pass. Fire his ****, now!

Da Dead Bears wrote:

Dean G. wrote above: "As far as firing Turner, I disagree. He's a middle of the road coordinator at best, but he has absolutely no talent. You can't compete when you have no receivers or running backs. Get some of those and I'll judge him (and frankly the QB's as well)."
Sorry, Dean, but the lack of talent does not excuse Turner's utter stupidity. Are you new to this city? Were you watching the Bears this year? Or do you really think it is a good idea to run Wolfe up the middle from your own 1 yard line? Etc.? Etc.? Etc.? There are WAY too many bonehead mistakes by Turner to give him a pass. Fire his ****, now!

No I'm not new to Chicago. I've been a Bear's fan for 40+ years. I agree Turner's performance this year was underwhelming, but again I cite the lack of talent. If there was someone much better out there I would agree with you, but I don't see that guy. If Marzt gets fired in Detroit I'd snatch him up, or another passing type coordinator, but there aren't many of those. Firing someone to fire them is stupid at best and irresponsible at worst.

The Ron Turner bashing aside, the price for Anderson will be prohibitive, especially for a Bears team that has too many holes to fill on the offensive side of the ball. I'd prefer that they migrate from the tradition of plugging the holes on the line with aging free agents, which bloew up in their face this year. History has shown that consistently great teams build through the draft, and use free agency as a supplementary resevoir.

Martz and Grossman are off to Baltimore. Watch....

Dean, if you were incompetent in your job, would firing you for the sake of firing them be stupid? No. You fire people when they cannot do the job, can't get it done, etc. Turner cannot get it done. There are probably a half a dozen (or maybe ten times that many) NFL assistants, college head coaches, etc. who could do as good as Turner and would jump at the chance to do it. He's got to go!

Dean, et al.,

Dean wrote: Firing someone to fire them is stupid at best and irresponsible at worst.

Huh??? What the heck does that mean?

People get fired everyday because they don't perform well in their jobs, just like Turner didn't perform well in his. Lovie fired Terry Shea cause he was bad. They didn't rehire Shoop when Lovie came in cause he stunk it up also.

Yes, we are bashing Turner, because we are frustrated by his stupid approach to the game, his incompetent play design/calling, etc., etc., etc.!!!! He needs to be let go...

Turner's inability to call an offensive game aside ... Picking up DA isn't a likely possibility. The Bears have to give up too much to get what could be Rex: The Sequel. Yes, DA can throw a mean pass at 80 mph, but he's got receivers to catch it in Cleveland. He comes to Chicago and who do we have? No deep threat, no possession receiver and a budding tight end. Sure Hester can run 80 yards, but he's 50/50 on catching the ball.

Bottom line, the Bears can't dump their first round pick on a hope and prayer that DA will pan out here. Besides, if I were him, I'd stay as far away from this place as possible with the inept offensive coaching and playcalling. This is an offensive wasteland.

Da Dead Bears wrote:

Dean, if you were incompetent in your job, would firing you for the sake of firing them be stupid? No. You fire people when they cannot do the job, can't get it done, etc. Turner cannot get it done. There are probably a half a dozen (or maybe ten times that many) NFL assistants, college head coaches, etc. who could do as good as Turner and would jump at the chance to do it. He's got to go!

I totally disagree. If you don't perform in your job, yes you should be fired, but unless you have a plan to replace that person with someone better firing them at that point in time does not make sense. Now I agree that in sports, during a season, sometimes you fire someone as a motivational tool to others (usually players), but when you look at needs in the off season the motivational factor is not present. I'm not opposed to firing Turner, I think he's mediocre at best, but the talent is also mediocre. I would give him one more season with improved talent, if he continues to fail, then fire him. Now, again, if there was another offensive coordinator, with a proven track record out there to be hired, I'd say do it, but who is this person? Ron Turner is not John Shoop nor Terry Shea, he's an acclomplished offensive coordinator with a record of some success. I want this team to improve like everyone else, I just don't think a **** jerk firing of Turner is the answer.

keep Quinn and cleveland can forget being a team that can compete. quinn has shown in the past that he can't handle pressure why keep him there was a reason he went 22.

Just heard that Martz is available (fired by Detroit). Not saying he is the right guy for the Bears, but he has had more success as an OC and Head Coach than Turner will ever dream of having!

So hes an improvement over Grossman/Orton because....hes proven that hes only played as many games as Orton?

Grossman's still better

Dean G wrote:

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I totally disagree. If you don't perform in your job, yes you should be fired, but unless you have a plan to replace that person with someone better firing them at that point in time does not make sense. Now I agree that in sports, during a season, sometimes you fire someone as a motivational tool to others (usually players), but when you look at needs in the off season the motivational factor is not present. I'm not opposed to firing Turner, I think he's mediocre at best, but the talent is also mediocre. I would give him one more season with improved talent, if he continues to fail, then fire him. Now, again, if there was another offensive coordinator, with a proven track record out there to be hired, I'd say do it, but who is this person? Ron Turner is not John Shoop nor Terry Shea, he's an acclomplished offensive coordinator with a record of some success. I want this team to improve like everyone else, I just don't think a **** jerk firing of Turner is the answer.

An accomplished offensive coordinator with a record of some success? Don't forget, his next firing will be his second by the Bears. Please, shed some light on us. Exactly what success was this?

If you are going to trade the number 1 pick - get Quinn not Anderson

He said he's going to KEYWORD: LISTEN to trade offers. The Brown's have made it very clear that they want to Derek Anderson to say in Cleveland.

Think about it logically. Quinn is unproven and didn't look all that great in preseason contests nor in his short stints of playing time this year. The Browns just finally got themselves into a position to even consider playoffs this season.

Why would they give up Anderson? They can afford him and having two potentially dangerous QB's on your roster isn't exactly a situation a team would be itching to give up.

But it doesn't matter anyway. With the Bears needing to fill holes at offensive line, running back, receiver, linebacker and safety (to name a few)- the current QB situation in Chicago isn't going to change drastically.

Forget Anderson, and forget McNabb. We can't afford them, and both don't want to leave their current surroundings (especially McNabb). And the fact that we just cannot afford to spend the money they'd require and the draft picks they'd take away is just too great to ignore.

Grossman is the best candidate right now for the starting spot in '08. Put a solid line in front of him, a decent QB that can block (unlike Benson) and WR's that won't lead the league in drops, and the problem will be solved. Rex showed major improvement after coming off the bench, throwing only one pick, 2 TD's, and posting a rating over 80.

While Anderson and McNabb would be great to have, they'd fail as well behind the line that we currently have. And we wouldn't be able to change it very much if we took them and put the majority of our money and draft picks into getting a QB like them.

And Anderson hasn't exactly looked pretty lately. Tossing 5 picks in his last 5 starts and a 67 QB rating. They'd cost too much for us to change anything, and if they came here with no change to the line, they'd fail as well. No matter how good a QB you are, you need a line and a running game. Period.

Rex Is Our Guy wrote:

He said he's going to KEYWORD: LISTEN to trade offers. The Brown's have made it very clear that they want to Derek Anderson to say in Cleveland.
Think about it logically. Quinn is unproven and didn't look all that great in preseason contests nor in his short stints of playing time this year. The Browns just finally got themselves into a position to even consider playoffs this season.
Why would they give up Anderson? They can afford him and having two potentially dangerous QB's on your roster isn't exactly a situation a team would be itching to give up.
But it doesn't matter anyway. With the Bears needing to fill holes at offensive line, running back, receiver, linebacker and safety (to name a few)- the current QB situation in Chicago isn't going to change drastically.
Forget Anderson, and forget McNabb. We can't afford them, and both don't want to leave their current surroundings (especially McNabb). And the fact that we just cannot afford to spend the money they'd require and the draft picks they'd take away is just too great to ignore.
Grossman is the best candidate right now for the starting spot in '08. Put a solid line in front of him, a decent QB that can block (unlike Benson) and WR's that won't lead the league in drops, and the problem will be solved. Rex showed major improvement after coming off the bench, throwing only one pick, 2 TD's, and posting a rating over 80.
While Anderson and McNabb would be great to have, they'd fail as well behind the line that we currently have. And we wouldn't be able to change it very much if we took them and put the majority of our money and draft picks into getting a QB like them.
And Anderson hasn't exactly looked pretty lately. Tossing 5 picks in his last 5 starts and a 67 QB rating. They'd cost too much for us to change anything, and if they came here with no change to the line, they'd fail as well. No matter how good a QB you are, you need a line and a running game. Period.

I agree with everything you wrote. Nice post.

Grossman has potential! His problem is fear! Lot's of it! After Arizona got to him last year he has looked terrible. To me he looked like a little girl that was just told she had a spider in her hair! Seized by fear. If someone can get him over the fear he can be the real deal. But until then he is just a very logical human being not wanting to get crushed by muscular 300 pound men. Pay the price for Anderson!