Judge it!
It gets bleaker and bleaker for any chance of NFL football in LA. If the league changes the blackout rules, and an owner or group is formed that has the sympathy of the other owners to vote them into the NFL family, and further approve the move to LA, you still need to have some scratch to buy the team (or a meaningful fraction) and the ability to finance consrtuction of a stadium.
Read this:
http://www.whittierdailynews.com/ci_13722153
It looks like Billionaire Roski will be rejoining the ranks of us Millionaires.
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YES STADIUM YEST TEAM YES DICE ALL OTHERS STOP NAGGINg |
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They need to go back to Cleveland, where they started originally. |
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Doubtful he will join the ranks of the millionaires and even less doubtful he will join the ranks of the hundredaires like you.....but you keep wishing. |
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Mt Baldy, CA |
Are the Dodgers for sale?
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They have a stadium, and are not moving to Industry, besides they probably not very entertaining playing football. Seriously, it appears that one side or the other of the McCourt family will own the team. I have heard that Mrs. McCourt has assembled a group to buyout her husbands share of the team. I have not heard any plans from Mr. McCourt's camp about compensating his wife if he wants to own the property outright. I do know that the judge in the divorce case has admonished Mr. McCourt not to use Dodger letterhead to file documents in the case. It seems such a shame that they could not continue as a couple because both are very nice people, and I respect them both, not just for their acomplishments, but for contributions to the community for which they seek no recognition. |
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This article is pretty much a summary of what I've been posting for a few years now.
It's nice to have the actual number from Majestic on what they've invested to date: "About $14 million has been spent so far on getting the plan approved". Many posters have mistakenly inflated that number and attempted to use it as proof positive that Roski wouldn't invest so much without a team already in pocket. Interesting that the article touches on many of the wild conspiracy theories that so many posters have relied on: "I don't think he's got any assurances from anyone," Pilson said. "I think he's doing this on speculation." Big Ed is a real estate guy - a market based on speculation. But I hope this doesn't stop you all from telling me that Ed wouldn't do all this on speculation and that he already has a team lined up. |
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WTF? First of all JJJJESUS (not a type-o just rolling my tongue like you do) "...a dumb idea" So let me understand your thought process or lack there of, unless everbody in this forum was a principle of direct negotiations, speaking on this issue is a "dumb idea"? The common sense part is as follows: (1)The NFL wants a team in Los Angeles, the 2nd largest market. (2)Ed Roski has experience owning professional teams. (3)Many teams are dying to move into this market. (4)He has developed similiar projects in size and scope. (5)He owns the land for which this stadium will be built. (6)This project will be ALL privately financed. (7)The land is in the city where his development/real estate company is located. (8)He is considered a good guy with most local politicans and charities. (9)Our governor has ok'd an exemption to the "usually deal killing" environmental impact study. (10) The bordering can't stop or slow this project now due to the exemption. I'll stop at 10 JJJesus since your probably in an uncomfortable and unfamiliar territory as it relates to reasoning So if your still following along; a person of Roski's background and experience, negotiating with a team to move to the Los Angeles market is the easy part. There you go JJJesus, Commonsense 101. |
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No Team No Stadium No Dice |
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Al Davis in December 2010...
Team Stadium Dice |
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"rugbyleague" Al Davis in December 2010...
Team = Raiders Stadium = Oakland Dice = None I doubt Al wants a partner. |
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Al Davis has several partners. He is not the sole owner of the Raiders, however, he is the managing general partner.
If you think the Raiders are staying in Oakland, you must smoke out of the same crack pipe most Raider fans use. The blighted city and outdated stadium have turned the Raiders into the NFL's least valuable franchise. There will be no new stadium in Oakland. It'll be either City of Industry or share the Santa Clara stadium with the 49ers. |
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The Raiders are not the least valuable franchise. Al has minority partners who enjoy the profits Al produces with the football club.
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You'd pretty much need Davis to die. He's not going to give up his controlling interest to anyone and you can't slice the pie any thinner to allow Roski into the group at the 40% he needs. I've mentioned this before - you need Al to die and not include any whakcy terms about keeping the team in the Davis name in his will. Then, I think you'd see Boy Davis sell to Big Ed before they got Al's coffin in the ground. |
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Note - This assumes that the Young Davis is stupid enough to take Real Estate Development Options in lieu of Cash on the transaction. From what I understand, he probably is that dumb.
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Joined: Oct 10, 2009 Comments: 31 |
YES TEAM
YES STADIUM YES DICE DONT LIKE IT THEM MOVE AWAy |
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Al Davis is not moving to LA anytime soon. He left here to make more money. He got a five percent raise when he left town. You think he wants to give that up to park his car in Industry? He is not selling any stake in the team, he does not need to. There are two places that would welcome him to LA on most of his terms.
No Team No Stadium No Dice IF NFL FOR CAL DOES NOT LIKE IT, TOO BAD. Crying towel 5 cents. |
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-berri/if-...
If You Build It, Nothing Really Comes David BerriPosted: November 9, 2009 11:14 PM Few states have been hit as hard by the current economic problems as the state of California. In September, the unemployment rate was 12.2% and the budget problems in this state have made national headlines. Most economists - as Gregory Mankiw notes - agree that when an economy is not at full employment, some sort of government stimulus can make things better. So it's not surprising to see Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger sign legislation that will create thousands of jobs. A few weeks ago Schwarzenegger signed legislation that will allow construction of a new NFL stadium in the Los Angeles area. This stadium - according to developers - will generate 18,000 jobs and $320 million in salaries for residents. And the stadium won't cost any tax money. All Schwarzenegger had to do is suspend a few pesky environmental laws, laws that were clearly holding back California's efforts to rebuild the state economy. With such bold leadership, one suspects that it won't be long until the economy in California is back. There's only one tiny problem in this tale. Economists - as noted - almost all agree that government can take action to move an economy back to full employment. Economists, though, almost all agree - as Gregory Mankiw notes -- that building sports stadiums is not the way to do this. Consider the words of Brad Humphreys -- current President of the North American Association of Sports Economists (NAASE)-- and Dennis Coates, the first President of NAASE (from an article published in Econ Journal Watch). There now exists almost twenty years of research on the economic impact of professional sports franchises and facilities on the local economy. The results in this literature are strikingly consistent. No matter what cities or geographical areas are examined, no matter what estimators are used, no matter what model specifications are used, and no matter what variables are used, articles published in peer reviewed economics journals contain almost no evidence that professional sports franchises and facilities have a measurable economic impact on the economy. Robert Baade - current President of the International Association of Sports Economists (IASE)- was the first to question the idea that sports can generate a significant economic impact. Initially Baade was the lone voice speaking in the wilderness. But more than two decades after Baade got the ball rolling, a number of economists - using a host of different data sets and empirical techniques - have reached Baade's conclusion. Cities with sports facilities don't see higher rates of economic growth. And cities with sports facilities don't see more jobs. Simply put, stadiums have never been shown to be an economic stimulus. |
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Why do sports facilities fail to have an economic impact? One must remember that sports are simply one potential part of a person's entertainment budget. When a person chooses to spend more on sports, that person also chooses to spend less elsewhere. And that lost spending elsewhere will cost jobs. Then there is the very nature of sports stadiums. If an NFL team moves to L.A. it will host eight regular season games and perhaps a couple of pre-season contests. What will that building generate for the other 350+ days of the year? Or, exactly how many times will the Rolling Stones choose to have a concert at that L.A. facility? Finally, there's the issue of who is going to play in L.A. The plan is to attract an existing team to L.A.; and the list of potential teams includes the San Diego Chargers, Oakland Raiders, and San Francisco 49ers. A quick check of the map reveals that each of these teams is located in California. So how it would help the state of California by re-locating a team within the state? If teams and stadiums do generate jobs, won't moving a team out of San Diego, Oakland, or San Francisco cost jobs? All of this suggests that the promises made by the backers of this stadium are unlikely to be realized. And this means that the state of California is suspending its environmental laws to... enrich backers of the L.A. Stadium? Yes, that doesn't sound like much of an economic stimulus. Perhaps before signing this legislation, Governor Schwarzenegger should have talked to just a few Presidents. |
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Actually, Al Davis left LA because he's an idiot. Back in June 1995, Al had agreed to move the Raiders into a new stadium at Hollywood Park in Inglewood. The NFL, however, wanted to have an NFC team move in to the stadium with the Raiders, even as soon as opening day '98. Al threw a hissy fit and took Oakland's offer. The Raiders have been stuck in Oakland as the league's least valuable franchise. The move to Oakland was a mistake which Al has admitted to in court. |
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