Michael Vick on dogfight disgrace: 'I have more to prove'

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Vick writes......He said that he and a friend saw other kids surrounding a grassy area where they usually played football.“But instead of a football game, about eight pit bull terriers were gathered ... we saw guys putting their dogs' faces right in front of one another. The dogs would grab and fight. I remember two of them were fighting when a third, smaller dog jumped on the back of one of the larger dogs to make it two-on-one.” He wrote that while it seemed cruel, he was fascinated.“It's something I wish had never, ever happened," he said.

Note the part about it "seeming cruel but he was fascinated". There you have the telltale indications of a sociopath at the young age of 8.

His "handlers" aren't doing a very good job of ensuring the sociopath keep from exposing his depravity.

Jim Evans Esq wrote:

An excerpt from the article:
Vick writes......He said that he and a friend saw other kids surrounding a grassy area where they usually played football.“But instead of a football game, about eight pit bull terriers were gathered ... we saw guys putting their dogs' faces right in front of one another. The dogs would grab and fight. I remember two of them were fighting when a third, smaller dog jumped on the back of one of the larger dogs to make it two-on-one.” He wrote that while it seemed cruel, he was fascinated.“It's something I wish had never, ever happened," he said.
Note the part about it "seeming cruel but he was fascinated". There you have the telltale indications of a sociopath at the young age of 8.
His "handlers" aren't doing a very good job of ensuring the sociopath keep from exposing his depravity.

Just as good a job as you're doing keeping him down. Do you realize how apparent it is that your own failures are causing you to thrive on other people's ? Hahahaha

Jim Evans Esq wrote:

An excerpt from the article:
Vick writes......He said that he and a friend saw other kids surrounding a grassy area where they usually played football.“But instead of a football game, about eight pit bull terriers were gathered ... we saw guys putting their dogs' faces right in front of one another. The dogs would grab and fight. I remember two of them were fighting when a third, smaller dog jumped on the back of one of the larger dogs to make it two-on-one.” He wrote that while it seemed cruel, he was fascinated.“It's something I wish had never, ever happened," he said.
Note the part about it "seeming cruel but he was fascinated". There you have the telltale indications of a sociopath at the young age of 8.
His "handlers" aren't doing a very good job of ensuring the sociopath keep from exposing his depravity.

Jim, c'mon at 8 years old there's a 50/50 chance any child could be disgusted or be mesmerized at something they've never seen before even though they know it to be wrong and especially when they've grown up in a broken home with no sound foundation laid and little to no parental supervision.

You're seriously reaching to try and use this as a point of reference to your argument against Vick but you can see a pattern of how a kid left to his own devices can and most of the time will go. Where were his parents in all of this? If you want to blame somebody that bad blame them!

_Jusayin_ wrote:

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Jim, c'mon at 8 years old there's a 50/50 chance any child could be disgusted or be mesmerized at something they've never seen before even though they know it to be wrong and especially when they've grown up in a broken home with no sound foundation laid and little to no parental supervision.
You're seriously reaching to try and use this as a point of reference to your argument against Vick but you can see a pattern of how a kid left to his own devices can and most of the time will go. Where were his parents in all of this? If you want to blame somebody that bad blame them!

PARENTS???...father took off as quick as he could..who know's where his mother was..we do know his mother raised another convick..the younger convick #2...his uncle is another winner..what a family!

Vick Hater wrote:

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PARENTS???...father took off as quick as he could..who know's where his mother was..we do know his mother raised another convick..the younger convick #2...his uncle is another winner..what a family!

Lies will never work IDIOT !

"Vick was born in Newport News, Virginia as the second of four children to Brenda Vick and Michael Boddie, then unmarried teenagers . His mother worked two jobs and had help from her parents, while his father worked long hours in the shipyards as a sandblaster and spray-painter."

What a dope ! Hahahahaha

_Jusayin_ wrote:

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Jim, c'mon at 8 years old there's a 50/50 chance any child could be disgusted or be mesmerized at something they've never seen before even though they know it to be wrong and especially when they've grown up in a broken home with no sound foundation laid and little to no parental supervision.
You're seriously reaching to try and use this as a point of reference to your argument against Vick but you can see a pattern of how a kid left to his own devices can and most of the time will go. Where were his parents in all of this? If you want to blame somebody that bad blame them!

Maybe, maybe not. IMHO, I don't think any "normal" child seeing two animals, especially ones they know are supposed to be domesticated and part of the family, tearing each other to shreds, to be "mesmerizing or fascinating", even at the age of 8. A normal reaction to that type of depravity would be shock, fear, and probably confusion. I don't know if you've ever watched a dog fight, unfortunately I have, on video. It's one of the most horrific, violent, and savage events you can witness. To me, it's heartbreaking because but for the degenerates who force these innocent animals to fight for their lives, they could be enriching the lives of people which is what most dogs do on a daily basis.

Here's a quote from a well respected study on dog fighting and it describes vick to a "t":

The Victims of Dogfighting

The Children

The systematic desensitization of each new generation in high crime inner cities starts early on; there, most children are routinely exposed to dogfighting and are forced to accept the inherent violence as normal. The routine exposure of the children to unfettered animal abuse and neglect is a major contributing factor in their later manifestation of social deviance.“In many neighborhoods where gangs are strong, you now have 8-, 9-, 10-year-olds conducting their own dogfights. Or being spectators at the fights people are holding," said Sgt. Steve Brownstein of Chicago’s Animal Abuse Control Team. Indeed, for gangs, dog-fighting is a valuable tool to initiate young members into a culture of violence:“You want to find the perfect way to desensitize a kid so he’ll kill that anonymous gangbanger from three blocks over? Give him a puppy and let him raise it. Then let him kill it. I guarantee that will desensitize that kid.” This early exposure to and participation in dog-fighting is of concern to law enforcement, not only as a child endangerment issue, but also because children that become desensitized to violence become criminalized and perpetuate that cycle of violence.

Now that kind of supports your viewpoint. However, and again this is MHO, I think vick was already harboring a latent deviance. One that just needed a little spurring on. Either way, we both know how this repugnant activity affected vick. It inspired him, thrilled him and he engaged in it his entire life and found it to be an amusing and entertaining activity. And that's not normal.

_Jusayin_ wrote:

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Jim, c'mon at 8 years old there's a 50/50 chance any child could be disgusted or be mesmerized at something they've never seen before even though they know it to be wrong and especially when they've grown up in a broken home with no sound foundation laid and little to no parental supervision.
You're seriously reaching to try and use this as a point of reference to your argument against Vick
but you can see a pattern of how a kid left to his own devices can and most of the time will go. Where were his parents in all of this? If you want

to blame somebody that bad blame them!

Hey Vick fascinated by others pain,obama eats a dog! Maybe Vick should be on the ticket his parents were Where most ghetto parents are: dad incarcerated,dead or mia.Mom having too many Chillen, with little reproductive responsibility.that's how the mike&marcus vicks become the monsters we see today.

Vick is without morality or a conscience.(sure doesn't like getting busted though!)
Children who are "normal" are joy fascinated with blood letting.frightened, disgusted,nauseous, not "mesmerized."
This was a predator in the making.i have no doubt he had sexual arousal watching them rip each other apart.
Lets hope when all is said and done,he gets to experience the thrill of the battle, first hand: a pack of hungry pits shedding him limb to limb.
Now that is something worth the price of admission.

Vick Hater wrote:

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PARENTS???...father took off as quick as he could..who know's where his mother was..we do know his mother raised another convick..the younger convick #2...his uncle is another winner..what a family!

When children are left to raise themselves or are raised/heavily influenced by other children in similar situations in a poor setting and receiving little to no education more times than not they turn out for the worse.

If all you've ever been was abandoned and pushed aside as a child what will you do to gain attention or what will you do to hide your emotions?

Jim Evans Esq wrote:

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Maybe, maybe not. IMHO, I don't think any "normal" child seeing two animals, especially ones they know are supposed to be domesticated and part of the family, tearing each other to shreds, to be "mesmerizing or fascinating", even at the age of 8. A normal reaction to that type of depravity would be shock, fear, and probably confusion. I don't know if you've ever watched a dog fight, unfortunately I have, on video.

There's no maybes about it. If your child has no father and a mother who is an absentee you're basically giving your child's future to chance and that's what happened in the Vick's case.

I was raised with both parents in the home, received a great education and I'm a law abiding citizen but when I was 9 my dog who was a Boxer loved to go after cats and the first time I saw her rip into a cat I was shocked but yet I couldn't turn away. I'd never witnessed killing before and I was intrigued but I had my father and mother who taught me all along killing was wrong and I had them to go to after I witnessed my dog kill the cat and again I was told that's part of nature and it can be saddening.

If Vick had even had half the upbringing I had he may have never fell prey to enjoying dog fighting. His parents surely would have nipped it in the bud and we wouldn't be discussing this ever.

Point is, what do you expect from a kid who had nobody in a right mindset to guide him/her through life? He's realized it was wrong now as an adult and he's trying to correct it. Cut the guy some slack.

Also, my parents told me if I ever saw my dog do it again to stop her or let them know ASAP.

Show me one 8 year old ever in human existence who can reason as an adult capably and consistently and I'll fly to your city and buy you to dinner wherever you decide no matter the cost.

_Jusayin_ wrote:

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There's no maybes about it. If your child has no father and a mother who is an absentee you're basically giving your child's future to chance and that's what happened in the Vick's case.
I was raised with both parents in the home, received a great education and I'm a law abiding citizen but when I was 9 my dog who was a Boxer loved to go after cats and the first time I saw her rip into a cat I was shocked but yet I couldn't turn away. I'd never witnessed killing before and I was intrigued but I had my father and mother who taught me all along killing was wrong and I had them to go to after I witnessed my dog kill the cat and again I was told that's part of nature and it can be saddening.
If Vick had even had half the upbringing I had he may have never fell prey to enjoying dog fighting. His parents surely would have nipped it in the bud and we wouldn't be discussing this ever.
Point is, what do you expect from a kid who had nobody in a right mindset to guide him/her through life? He's realized it was wrong now as an adult and he's trying to correct it. Cut the guy some slack.

Then did you begin to hang,electrocute,slam,drown and BEAT TO DEATH innocent animals.You're talking a different kind of kid here. Any kid might be 'mesmerized'but very,very few would use it as a model. Sorry-no sympathy here except for the innocents.

_Jusayin_ wrote:

Also, my parents told me if I ever saw my dog do it again to stop her or let them know ASAP.
Show me one 8 year old ever in human existence who can reason as an adult capably and consistently and I'll fly to your city and buy you to dinner wherever you decide no matter the cost.

How ridiculous you have suddenly become.I was listening to you until you went wayyyy overboard on the 8 yr old crap.

Leah wrote:

<quoted text>How ridiculous you have suddenly become.I was listening to you until you went wayyyy overboard on the 8 yr old crap.

Sorry I'm not sorry, but I'm not the one going after an 8 year old Michael Vick as if he could use reason as an adult and fully comprehend the situation and do "the right thing" when nobody in his life to that point had ever done the right thing.

Imagine for just a minute, you're 8 years old again with no parents. Father is gone, mother is wrapped up in her own life because she had you as a child herself and all you've got is kids your own age in situations just like yours to emulate. Kids raising each other the best they could.

You can't fathom what children like that feel and go through and what they will do to finally feel acceptance and a sense of belonging. I can, as I have empathy and I've worked in boys homes and in juvenile detention facilities and just about each one of the boys I encountered had a background that mirrored Vick's. No father, no mother who cared, no education, no chance.

You "care" so much for these helpless animals but turn away from helpless children and in fact crucify them as adults when they've done wrong? How do you expect people like Vick to turn out when every "good person" or "animal lover" turns their heads?

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Sorry I'm not sorry, but I'm not the one going after an 8 year old Michael Vick as if he could use reason as an adult and fully comprehend the situation and do "the right thing" when nobody in his life to that point had ever done the right thing.
Imagine for just a minute, you're 8 years old again with no parents. Father is gone, mother is wrapped up in her own life because she had you as a child herself and all you've got is kids your own age in situations just like yours to emulate. Kids raising each other the best they could.
You can't fathom what children like that feel and go through and what they will do to finally feel acceptance and a sense of belonging. I can, as I have empathy and I've worked in boys homes and in juvenile detention facilities and just about each one of the boys I encountered had a background that mirrored Vick's. No father, no mother who cared, no education, no chance.
You "care" so much for these helpless animals but turn away from helpless children and in fact crucify them as adults when they've done wrong? How do you expect people like Vick to turn out when every "good person" or "animal lover" turns their heads?

For every 8 yr old kid in Vick's EXACT situation how many chose his path? Got any stats on that? I like facts,please-not guesswork. So what if juveniles come from similar backgrounds?Did ALL of them do what he did? Unless they did it's a pointless argument. Vick is a sociopath and sociopathy isn't required to occur only in lower class neighborhoods.There are millionaires who are sociopaths.Research it.I ADMIRE those kids to were on their own for the most part and are today successful in their jobs. It's all in the choices. Vick was a sociopath in the making at 8. I'm satisfied.

Leah wrote:

<quoted text>For every 8 yr old kid in Vick's EXACT situation how many chose his path? Got any stats on that? I like facts,please-not guesswork. So what if juveniles come from similar backgrounds?Did ALL of them do what he did? Unless they did it's a pointless argument. Vick is a sociopath and sociopathy isn't required to occur only in lower class neighborhoods.There are millionaires who are sociopaths.Research it.I ADMIRE those kids to were on their own for the most part and are today successful in their jobs. It's all in the choices. Vick was a sociopath in the making at 8. I'm satisfied.

You want stats and proof?! Look around Leah! It's an epidemic in America to this very minute! Millions upon millions of cases of child neglect, millions of displaced or abandoned children, poor education in areas of poverty to keep them down and if these poor kids actually make it to their teen years they usually join a gang and start shooting each other and dying so they never make it to adulthood as Vick has.

Your parents are supposed to BE THERE so you can see how situations are analyzed and good choices are made or how one can learn from mistakes made. You can't expect these poor people to just snap out of it once they hit a certain age and act as if going through the sh*t hasn't affected them or made them what they are especially when they've NEVER known any other way.

Go volunteer in a boys and girls home or with juvenile delinquents and listen to their stories about their lives and look at their faces while they're telling you and then YOU'LL GET IT if you've opened your heart and mind. Until then, you're closed off and only operating with one side of the story. What does that make you?

Look at America's prisons. They overwhelming majority are black that come from Vick's exact upbringing. They've been busted for drugs, guns, other felonies, murders...

Just because most of them didn't choose dog fighting as a past time does that make the drug slingers and murderers and armed robbers better in your book or put them on level ground? It shouldn't, because while I do love animals they're in prison for human on human crimes and I'm sorry an original wild animal will never be as important as a fellow human being.

_Jusayin_ wrote:

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Sorry I'm not sorry, but I'm not the one going after an 8 year old Michael Vick as if he could use reason as an adult and fully comprehend the situation and do "the right thing" when nobody in his life to that point had ever done the right thing.
Imagine for just a minute, you're 8 years old again with no parents. Father is gone, mother is wrapped up in her own life because she had you as a child herself and all you've got is kids your own age in situations just like yours to emulate. Kids raising each other the best they could.
You can't fathom what children like that feel and go through and what they will do to finally feel acceptance and a sense of belonging. I can, as I have empathy and I've worked in boys homes and in juvenile detention facilities and just about each one of the boys I encountered had a background that mirrored Vick's. No father, no mother who cared, no education, no chance.
You "care" so much for these helpless animals but turn away from helpless children and in fact crucify them as adults when they've done wrong? How do you expect people like Vick to turn out when every "good person" or "animal lover" turns their heads?

You keep making these excuses for poor, misunderstood little Michael. Apparently Michael Vick himself hasn't mentioned that he was abandoned by his dad, ignored and neglected by his mother. Quite the contrary. His dad remembers patching up dogs that were injured in fights. His Momma worked a lot, but Mikey has never said anything bad about her. Matter of fact, he routinely gives her a "salary" of over $100,000. a year to live on. If she were so terrible as a mother I doubt he would be so generous. His father has been living off Mike as well just like Marcus and both "baby mamas". I personally knew folks who grew up in that area who did not become dog killing thugs. But, all that aside, even if what you said is true, when Mike became an instant millionnaire, he should have turne his back on that sordid world. But he didn't. He CHOSE to continue to do it, and sunk to an even lower level but torturing and killing dogs which points clearly to a warped mind. You simply cannot excuse that part away with any type of rationale.

_Jusayin_ wrote:

Look at America's prisons. They overwhelming majority are black that come from Vick's exact upbringing. They've been busted for drugs, guns, other felonies, murders...
Just because most of them didn't choose dog fighting as a past time does that make the drug slingers and murderers and armed robbers better in your book or put them on level ground? It shouldn't, because while I do love animals they're in prison for human on human crimes and I'm sorry an original wild animal will never be as important as a fellow human being.

Humans are supposed to be better than the animals and supposed to be intelligent enough to act responsibly towards them. Any person who stoops low enough to abuse a living thing by using heinous methods to torture the animal to death is not a true human being. Humans are supposed to be above that type of cruelty because the natural instinct is to feel compassion and empathy for animals. Anybody who doesn't have that natural instince is missing a very important part of they psyche. Those of you who skip over this fact are just making excuses for what Vick has done. You know, just like the Nazis made excuses for and supported the killing of the Jews. Just like the white man made excuses for killing Indian women and children. Just like parents make excuses for the obnoxious behavior of their children, and so on and so on. The fact remains that there is something wrong with Michael Vick regardless of how he got to be that way.

_Jusayin_ wrote:

Look at America's prisons. They overwhelming majority are black that come from Vick's exact upbringing. They've been busted for drugs, guns, other felonies, murders...
Just because most of them didn't choose dog fighting as a past time does that make the drug slingers and murderers and armed robbers better in your book or put them on level ground? It shouldn't, because while I do love animals they're in prison for human on human crimes and I'm sorry an original wild animal will never be as important as a fellow human being.

He had parents such as they were. I work in ANIMAL RESCUE-rescued from thugs like Vick. As long as EXCUSES are acceptable to adults for what amounts to torture and cruelty we will see more of it. Vick and others like him are tomorrows human abusers and killers. They start with animals-something that doesn't have a chance.