Vikings fans unite for new stadium

What The wrote:

<quoted text>Dude the majority of the Green Gay Pack season ticket holders sell their tickets to losers who pay high prices for the garbage Green Gay puts on the field ! So actually they are secondary sellers the waiting list is for crooks wanting to buy them so they can rip off the folks of WISC ... So do not read to muxh into the Green Gay B.S.

What they do with THEIR tickets is their own business. Of course the games that mean nothing are usually forsale, and of course they sell. If you knew what they had to fork out for the tickets you would sell a few also. Explain old mighty Viqueen fan how do they rip off the folks of Wisconsin. They get face value and even more. Not every season ticket holder goes to every game as you well know and I wouldn't be surprised if a viqueen fan paid a high price for a ticket. There is a fool in every crowd. I will read what I want into the GREEN BAY B.S. Last I checked the Vikings haven't won a championship. How many years in the league and what do they show for it? NOTHING. Think about it really hard Packers have history, Viqueens have the hump dome. No comparison. Chili had to steal Brett Favre (ex Packer) to jump start the team but remember he won't play forever.

I used to live in the TC and taught Sports Marketing at Metro State. We used to have this debate in class, it's interesting to see it come back up.

Folks, MN is a place of excessive taxation. So many of those taxes go to benefits for anyone from single welfare mothers to Hmong refugees. I'm not disparaging these people, nor telling you where to spend your money. All I'm saying is while using tax dollars for a stadium IS corporate welfare, and I understand why people are against it consider the following:

1) What separates MN from the Dakotas is having at least one real city with real city amenities. NFL teams attract companies and educated people. These are crucial to your tax base. I hear too many homers in MN assuming it is the most wonderful place in the world. Folks, there are other places with good health care and k-12 programs that aren;t frozen solid for at least a quarter of the year. No offense, but MN needs everything it can get to attract business, investors, and educated families.

2) Its nice that at least some tax dollars go to something the Middle Class can enjoy for once, like an NFL game.

3) A new stadium can revitalize an area and might even spark some significant redevelopment in the area (e.g. new hotels, sports bars, etc.) THis also generally is followed by property value increases in these areas.

4) Loss of taxes, and income for the State. Some say that sports teams don't really help other business, nor positively impact the economy as promised. Tell that to the number of bars in St Paul that nearly went under during the NHL strike. Big League Sports create jobs and dollars.

5) Imagine the last laugh you'd be providing Green Bay fans. Seriously.

40for60 wrote:

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If we are talking about fan support, you can't judge that support based on seasonal attendance marks. If I were to skim through this thread, there isn't a lot of support for the Vikings, at least not enough to warrant a new stadium. We lost the Lakers and the North Stars, what did it take to get a new team back? Ever hear of Target Center? How about Excel Energy Center?
But by God let's push the Vikings out the door because we built a tent for them 25 years ago. Good argument.
I don't even think Goodell wants the Vikings to move, they have a storied history and are in much better shape than many other better candidates for the move, but Wilf will not wait forever, and I don't blame him.
There are many other places in the USofA that would love to have an NFL team, even if the blind sports haters here could care less.

Who has a storied history? I hope you aren't talking about the Vikings. That is the best laugh I have had in a long time. Do you mean storied like "Once upon a time"

Arrogant American wrote:

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If the citizens want an NFL team, they can pay for a new stadium. There are other cities that would gladly build a new stadium, if it meant getting an NFL team.

I see no citizens wanting an NFL team in Minnesots except for the few who attend the games. It is not a win win for the State but it will put bucks in Wilfs pocket. There is more to a football team than a stadium. Who is going to do the upkeep. Not Wilf.

Vike Mike wrote:

Cool!! People are FINALLY getting together for a good cause!!
That's better than a bunch of rednecks forming a mob of inbreds to oppose Health Care or a stupid Tea-Party with people yelling, "I want my country back!"..........I'm sorry, but who is it that you want your country back from??? I'm pretty sure that I've been living here the whole time, and I never knew the country was gone. Right-Wing Idiocy.
Anyways.....Hell, where do I sign up for this Vikings Fan Unite!
I'll show up whering my new Suade Vikings Leather I bought last week, sporting my Shadow Adrian Peterson jersey underneath.
Let's get this thing approved and start building! Then those Right-Wing Tea Baggers will have pleanty to whine about!
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME.
GO VIKINGS!!!!!!!!!!

Right on.

ugh wrote:

What the heck are we supposed to do w/ the Humpty Dome???

Let it be turned into a rest home for all of the poor retired republicans that refuse to accept social security.

http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/MinnesotaVi...
It doesn't matter how we do it ,there are many different ways to do this if we just get creative.

NFL 1/2 & Wilf 1/2!!!!!!!!!!

Jerry Jones sold seat licenses to fund $600 million of the Cowboys new $1.15 billion stadium. Public funding was limited to $350 million.

Start saving for license fees Vikings fans.

benigan wrote:

There is absolutely no economical reason to keep the Vikings. At least be honest in this discussion.

You really are clueless.
The Vikings and opposing players salaries alone generate over 20 million a year in the
states tax coffers.
Then you have to figure in the taxes on tickets parking novelty items.
The folks that operate entertainment venues around the stadium as well as all of the restaurants and bars statewide that host parties and such would most definitely disagree with you.

We definitely need a new stadium and sooner then later.

I say screw the scum from Chicago and Milwaukee and Indiana that exist solely on our welfare roles and put that money to good use like a stadium.

http://www.minnesotamomentum.com/index.jsp

benigan wrote:

The Vikings are not profitable for Minnesota. Period.

Care to provide anything to back this up???

Truthhurtz wrote:

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You really are clueless.
The Vikings and opposing players salaries alone generate over 20 million a year in the
states tax coffers.
Then you have to figure in the taxes on tickets parking novelty items.
The folks that operate entertainment venues around the stadium as well as all of the restaurants and bars statewide that host parties and such would most definitely disagree with you.
We definitely need a new stadium and sooner then later.
I say screw the scum from Chicago and Milwaukee and Indiana that exist solely on our welfare roles and put that money to good use like a stadium.

The numbers you provide say $20 million. Chump change where taxpayers are concerned. In 10 years,$200 million. At $20 million/year in economic benefit to Minnesota taxpayers, it would take the Viqueenz at least 100 years to break even from such a corporate welfare rip-off. And how many billion dollar stadiums would they whine about having the taxpayers buy for them in 100 years? Probably 10-20.$10-20 BILLION in debt from taxpayers in exchange for a billion for lazy drunks to watch millionaire thugs now.
Only stupid Obama voters think that everyone else who pays their way through life can't see that they want to rip off the taxpayers for billions and give it to millionaires/billionaires. Democrats, the party of corporate welfare for billionaires on the backs of the few who still have jobs.

Vikes Fan in CT wrote:

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Care to provide anything to back this up???

If the government forces the people to pay for a billionaire's hobby, what more do you need? Why doesn't the billionaire buy his own stadium with his own money if it's such a good investment? He's well connected and has powerful friends in government/media. He'll get everyone else to pay for his hobby whether they want to or not. Corporate welfare, that's what Democrats are all about. And all the other welfare too. Why can't Democrat sacks o $h!+ quit sniveling, shut up, and just pay their own bills?

If its such a money making deal, the owners would build the stadium, sure there are a lot of taxes collected etc, but the same amount would be collected if the stadium is built privately..the state doesnt build home depots, walmarts etc..there arent cities lining up anymore to lure pro teams, also Jacksonville is first on the list to relocate.

NFL roobznkweers wrote:

<quoted text>If the government forces the people to pay for a billionaire's hobby, what more do you need? Why doesn't the billionaire buy his own stadium with his own money if it's such a good investment? He's well connected and has powerful friends in government/media. He'll get everyone else to pay for his hobby whether they want to or not. Corporate welfare, that's what Democrats are all about. And all the other welfare too. Why can't Democrat sacks o $h!+ quit sniveling, shut up, and just pay their own bills?

This is not about politics and I am not a Democrat.
It's about being another Omaha vs a major Metropolis.
I would put the annual tax base at about 40 million a year when you factor in all of the jobs created and businesses sustained by this move.
15 years to recover the costs and this does not factor in inflation.
I say 10 years at best.

Get a clue or move.

A New Day wrote:

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Who has a storied history? I hope you aren't talking about the Vikings. That is the best laugh I have had in a long time. Do you mean storied like "Once upon a time"

Like the love boat. a. hole receiver running over traffic cops. Stuff like that.

This f'in team needs a jail!!!

oxboro wrote:

If its such a money making deal, the owners would build the stadium, sure there are a lot of taxes collected etc, but the same amount would be collected if the stadium is built privately..the state doesnt build home depots, walmarts etc..there arent cities lining up anymore to lure pro teams, also Jacksonville is first on the list to relocate.

Government and state bonds have helped to build more of these locations then your clueless mind is aware of.
I agree with your assessment relating to taxes collected regardless of where financing comes from but let's be realistic about this.
Every other team in the NFL that is playing in new digs were subsidized stadium wise by their state.
I pay taxes like everyone else and I am tired of supporting deadbeat welfare f-ups and artsy fartsy b-shit that I have no interest in.
I want a new stadium as do alot of people on this forum and we are as entitled to it as the next taxpayer.
The one difference being that my want leads to income generation and your want leads to decimation of a city that struggles to survive.

Arrogant American wrote:

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Moe said: "Besides will someone explain to me what it is that the Twins do that the Vikings don't that is worth a stadium for them? They haven't been to the world series in 18 years!!!!!!"
I was merely answering Moe's question. I believe that the Twins got their stadium first, because they draw so many more people and generate more revenue. Also, the Twins didn't ask for as much money as the Vikings are asking.
I am very glad the Twins and Gophers got their stadiums. I hope the Vikings will get their stadium, as well. Sports are a valuable asset to any community.

I can understand the Twins, the dome was not meant for playing MLB in, of which you can attest if you ever sat and watched a game there. But the Gophers? The Gophers?
If stadiums were built because a team earned it, then the Gophers would still be playing in Memorial stadium.
We, meaning the voting public, not me, voted through an arts/outdoors bill when we already fund a DNR here in this state. It is more important to many people to have less starving artists around than a state treasure like the Vikings.
Priorities are personal, and the Vikings are pretty high up my priority list. Good post.

A New Day wrote:

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Who has a storied history? I hope you aren't talking about the Vikings. That is the best laugh I have had in a long time. Do you mean storied like "Once upon a time"

Vikings have 3-0 streak against the puckers
Vikings swept the season series this year, to new cable records no less. So Millions more could watch the pucker flop.
Took your QB and made him into something again.

Is your needle point class full again?