Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Both mutations and natural selection are all traits, plants or animals, inherited from their parents to their offsprings...
Wrong. You were born with over a hundred mutations which neither of your parents have. This is a natural byproduct of being born.

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Oh, how are you coming with explaining Chromosome 2? Or are you afraid to tackle that one?(Let me guess, you're going to whine that it's "scientific jargon", which means only that you don't understand any of the science involved.)
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As I clearly said above, afraid of tackling the question "How do you explain Chromosome 2?". So how do you explain it?
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And I ask you yet again: Why not?
Now you've got *2* questions that you're trying to avoid answering.
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You're still avoiding answering the questions. What are afraid of?
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Mutation and natural selection.
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On the contrary, it has long had an answer. Here you go:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC050.h...
Try and understand the course, Biology. As i said, nothing can evolve without maker, mutation is just a change in the pigmentation of the gene, already created by the parents(maker)...

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There a lot of toughness in that girl! After seeing Jaws, I didn't want to go back in the water!
I had heard that she did not want a prosthetic arm, but if she could have her real arm back, I think she would take it!
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How did that work out for ya?
More importantly, how did that work out for you?

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Charles Idemi wrote:
Both mutations and natural selection are all traits, plants or animals, inherited from their parents to their offsprings
Mutation is a natural process. We observe this process acting in nature without any intelligence behind it.

Natural selection is a natural process. We observe this process acting in nature without any intelligence behind it.

The results of these natural processes is the evolution of a living population. In some cases, it results in speciation.

And after many many hundreds of millions of years, it results in every living species you see in the world today.

Now, let's go back to the question you're afraid of: How do you explain human Chromosome 2?

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As i said, nothing can evolve without maker
And as I said, why not?
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mutation is just a change in the pigmentation of the gene
Mutation has nothing to do with "pigmentation". It has to do with changes during reproduction.

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Drew Smith wrote:
Oh, how are you coming with explaining Chromosome 2? Or are you afraid to tackle that one?(Let me guess, you're going to whine that it's "scientific jargon", which means only that you don't understand any of the science involved.)
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As I clearly said above, afraid of tackling the question "How do you explain Chromosome 2?". So how do you explain it?
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And I ask you yet again: Why not?
Now you've got *2* questions that you're trying to avoid answering.
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You're still avoiding answering the questions. What are afraid of?
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Mutation and natural selection.
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On the contrary, it has long had an answer. Here you go:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC050.h...
Lastly, the theory of natural selection, is just the character exhibited by both the plant and animal species, already created by their parents(maker)...
This is the struggle for survival...
Look elsewhere...

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How do you know that "chemistry is itself the information?". What does that mean? It's the arrangement and sequence of nucleotides that comprises the information.
DNA is a chemical road map, in chemistry we call it a formula. You cellular animals that make up your body are just reacting to chemical reactions, which produce more chemical reactions based on the genetic formula in that cell. This is the easy part of cell theory, sheesh.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Try and understand the course, Biology. As i said, nothing can evolve without maker, mutation is just a change in the pigmentation of the gene, already created by the parents(maker)...
Individuals do not evolve.

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GIVE ME A FREAKIN' BREAK..are ya all still hammering away at this subject?? GIVE IT UP. ya all know the REAL FREAKIN' answer....NOW, don't ya??
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Hey guys, did you miss me.

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Mutation is a natural process. We observe this process acting in nature without any intelligence behind it.
Natural selection is a natural process. We observe this process acting in nature without any intelligence behind it.
The results of these natural processes is the evolution of a living population. In some cases, it results in speciation.
And after many many hundreds of millions of years, it results in every living species you see in the world today.
Now, let's go back to the question you're afraid of: How do you explain human Chromosome 2?
This hundred millions of years are just exaggerations or simply farce. You guys can never deny the handiwork of a creator...
The line is drawn, you guys have no evidence. Good day...

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Drew Smith wrote:
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Mutation is a natural process. We observe this process acting in nature without any intelligence behind it.
Natural selection is a natural process. We observe this process acting in nature without any intelligence behind it.
The results of these natural processes is the evolution of a living population. In some cases, it results in speciation.
And after many many hundreds of millions of years, it results in every living species you see in the world today.
Now, let's go back to the question you're afraid of: How do you explain human Chromosome 2?
Your position are without any clear evidence. Chromosomes 2, is never the issue, the issue is that, you guys have no clear evidence confirming your positions...

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>This hundred millions of years are just exaggerations or simply farce. You guys can never deny the handiwork of a creator...
The line is drawn, you guys have no evidence. Good day...
Yes, we know your puny brain is incapable of handling large numbers.
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GIVE ME A FREAKIN' BREAK..are ya all still hammering away at this subject?? GIVE IT UP. ya all know the REAL FREAKIN' answer....NOW, don't ya??
Bye then.(shrug)
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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>This hundred millions of years are just exaggerations or simply farce. You guys can never deny the handiwork of a creator...
The line is drawn, you guys have no evidence. Good day...
Can't deny it.

You've given us nothing to deny.(shrug)

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Wrong. You were born with over a hundred mutations which neither of your parents have. This is a natural byproduct of being born.
So, how can the cell develop to form a life, without the intercourse of the parents(maker)??
God is great!!!
No cell, no mutations, period...

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Wrong. You were born with over a hundred mutations which neither of your parents have. This is a natural byproduct of being born.
WRONG!
All in caps...
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GIVE ME A FREAKIN' BREAK..are ya all still hammering away at this subject?? GIVE IT UP. ya all know the REAL FREAKIN' answer....NOW, don't ya??
Hi Jesus Freak. STILL not interested in your simple-minded proselytizing!:)

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The Dude wrote:
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You keep bringing up atheists even though I haven't made a single atheistic claim. The only logical conclusion here is that you're a creationist. None of the evidence I've presented for evolution has anything to do with atheism. All you do is disagree and call it "atheism".
Heck, you even called geology "atheism".
If you talk stupid, expect to be treated as such.(shrug)
In a sense all science are "atheistic". Geology does not acknowledge the existence of god nor ask for when in doing its work, nor do physics, biology, or chemistry. And these science may even promote atheism. They answer the questions of life much better than the answers you get in any religious text. No miraculous flood is needed that leaves no mark and no answer to where the water came from and where it went to. No descent from a single pair of people in the last six thousand years, which would have resulted in a huge genetic bottle neck. Look at what happened with the cheetah. No need for any of the myths in the Bible to be true.

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And as I said, why not?
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Mutation has nothing to do with "pigmentation". It has to do with changes during reproduction.
Show me any living thing, especially animals that came on their own, without their parents or maker?
You don't understand mutation, there was an intercouse by both parents, before mutations...

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