Evolution vs. Creation

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Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#39372 Aug 20, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
As i said, nothing can evolve without maker
And as I said, why not?
Charles Idemi wrote:
mutation is just a change in the pigmentation of the gene
Mutation has nothing to do with "pigmentation". It has to do with changes during reproduction.

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#39373 Aug 20, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
Oh, how are you coming with explaining Chromosome 2? Or are you afraid to tackle that one?(Let me guess, you're going to whine that it's "scientific jargon", which means only that you don't understand any of the science involved.)
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As I clearly said above, afraid of tackling the question "How do you explain Chromosome 2?". So how do you explain it?
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And I ask you yet again: Why not?
Now you've got *2* questions that you're trying to avoid answering.
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You're still avoiding answering the questions. What are afraid of?
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Mutation and natural selection.
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On the contrary, it has long had an answer. Here you go:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC050.h...
Lastly, the theory of natural selection, is just the character exhibited by both the plant and animal species, already created by their parents(maker)...
This is the struggle for survival...
Look elsewhere...

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#39374 Aug 20, 2012
HTS wrote:
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How do you know that "chemistry is itself the information?". What does that mean? It's the arrangement and sequence of nucleotides that comprises the information.
DNA is a chemical road map, in chemistry we call it a formula. You cellular animals that make up your body are just reacting to chemical reactions, which produce more chemical reactions based on the genetic formula in that cell. This is the easy part of cell theory, sheesh.

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#39375 Aug 20, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Try and understand the course, Biology. As i said, nothing can evolve without maker, mutation is just a change in the pigmentation of the gene, already created by the parents(maker)...
Individuals do not evolve.

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#39376 Aug 20, 2012
GIVE ME A FREAKIN' BREAK..are ya all still hammering away at this subject?? GIVE IT UP. ya all know the REAL FREAKIN' answer....NOW, don't ya??
Maccoat

Franklin, PA

#39377 Aug 20, 2012
Hey guys, did you miss me.

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#39378 Aug 20, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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Mutation is a natural process. We observe this process acting in nature without any intelligence behind it.
Natural selection is a natural process. We observe this process acting in nature without any intelligence behind it.
The results of these natural processes is the evolution of a living population. In some cases, it results in speciation.
And after many many hundreds of millions of years, it results in every living species you see in the world today.
Now, let's go back to the question you're afraid of: How do you explain human Chromosome 2?
This hundred millions of years are just exaggerations or simply farce. You guys can never deny the handiwork of a creator...
The line is drawn, you guys have no evidence. Good day...

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#39379 Aug 20, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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Mutation is a natural process. We observe this process acting in nature without any intelligence behind it.
Natural selection is a natural process. We observe this process acting in nature without any intelligence behind it.
The results of these natural processes is the evolution of a living population. In some cases, it results in speciation.
And after many many hundreds of millions of years, it results in every living species you see in the world today.
Now, let's go back to the question you're afraid of: How do you explain human Chromosome 2?
Your position are without any clear evidence. Chromosomes 2, is never the issue, the issue is that, you guys have no clear evidence confirming your positions...

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#39380 Aug 20, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>This hundred millions of years are just exaggerations or simply farce. You guys can never deny the handiwork of a creator...
The line is drawn, you guys have no evidence. Good day...
Yes, we know your puny brain is incapable of handling large numbers.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#39381 Aug 20, 2012
Colorado Chick wrote:
GIVE ME A FREAKIN' BREAK..are ya all still hammering away at this subject?? GIVE IT UP. ya all know the REAL FREAKIN' answer....NOW, don't ya??
Bye then.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#39382 Aug 20, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>This hundred millions of years are just exaggerations or simply farce. You guys can never deny the handiwork of a creator...
The line is drawn, you guys have no evidence. Good day...
Can't deny it.

You've given us nothing to deny.(shrug)

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#39383 Aug 20, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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Wrong. You were born with over a hundred mutations which neither of your parents have. This is a natural byproduct of being born.
So, how can the cell develop to form a life, without the intercourse of the parents(maker)??
God is great!!!
No cell, no mutations, period...

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#39384 Aug 20, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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Wrong. You were born with over a hundred mutations which neither of your parents have. This is a natural byproduct of being born.
WRONG!
All in caps...
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#39385 Aug 20, 2012
Colorado Chick wrote:
GIVE ME A FREAKIN' BREAK..are ya all still hammering away at this subject?? GIVE IT UP. ya all know the REAL FREAKIN' answer....NOW, don't ya??
Hi Jesus Freak. STILL not interested in your simple-minded proselytizing!:)

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Everett, WA

#39386 Aug 20, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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You keep bringing up atheists even though I haven't made a single atheistic claim. The only logical conclusion here is that you're a creationist. None of the evidence I've presented for evolution has anything to do with atheism. All you do is disagree and call it "atheism".
Heck, you even called geology "atheism".
If you talk stupid, expect to be treated as such.(shrug)
In a sense all science are "atheistic". Geology does not acknowledge the existence of god nor ask for when in doing its work, nor do physics, biology, or chemistry. And these science may even promote atheism. They answer the questions of life much better than the answers you get in any religious text. No miraculous flood is needed that leaves no mark and no answer to where the water came from and where it went to. No descent from a single pair of people in the last six thousand years, which would have resulted in a huge genetic bottle neck. Look at what happened with the cheetah. No need for any of the myths in the Bible to be true.

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#39387 Aug 20, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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And as I said, why not?
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Mutation has nothing to do with "pigmentation". It has to do with changes during reproduction.
Show me any living thing, especially animals that came on their own, without their parents or maker?
You don't understand mutation, there was an intercouse by both parents, before mutations...

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#39388 Aug 20, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>WRONG!
All in caps...
You really do like denial. Every physical trait you have that is not present in your parents is a mutation. Every nuance that differs between you and your parents is a mutation. Deny it all you want, that won't change reality. Most mutations are cosmetic or inconsequential.

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#39389 Aug 20, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Individuals do not evolve.
Ofcourse!
That is why evolution evolution has no basis...

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#39390 Aug 20, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Yes, we know your puny brain is incapable of handling large numbers.
You have no case to answer. Good luck???

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#39391 Aug 20, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Ofcourse!
That is why evolution evolution has no basis...
The theory of evolution does not assert that individuals evolve, it states very clearly that populations evolve. Individuals evolving is what creationists assert.

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