Evolution vs. Creation

HTS wrote:

<quoted text>As far as you know, it's magic... Unless you can delineate what "environmental conditions" can prompt the self assembly of DNA and single cell life.
You say no magic has ever occurred. I agree. God is not magic.

A god would be considered magic and there is not one shred of evidence of any of that kind of magic ever.

You are now changing the discussion. we were talking about an already living microbe developing within the known concepts of science, not how life started.

RU CRS wrote:

The problem with the so-called free stuff is that the spending can get out of control and ultimately everyone is sold out to red China by our politicians because they have borrowed to give away things.

Firstly, its not "free stuff". It's an investment. A healthy society is a prospering, working society. All industrialized countries, except the US, has free universal healthcare as an example and they ALL love it. Our countries people live longer is just one quick fact.

My country, Canada, has it, and technically our economy is doing better than yours. That's a fact! We are also in a surplus! And our Dollar is more powerful than yours. We were also one of the few countries that didnt suffer the ill effects of poorly deregulated Banks like your Financial Disaster of 2008 which continues to exacerbate your economic problems -- they havent been fixed and continue to gamble with tax-payer money until the next collapse. That is a fact.

So your real problem in the US isn't domestic spending (btw your war spending is definitely out of control) its that your politicians because of a lack of proper Campaign Fiance Reform can be bought for cheap by big business and rich folks to manipulate the system in their favor (drop regulations, tax cuts for them and no one else, etc) and destroy and rob the REAL backbone of a country's real resource: its middle-class workers.

Giving more and more tax breaks to the super rich and then robbing the social security bank to pay for these tax cuts and that made up war of Iraq, and now making excuses that social security is going bankrupt unless there is reform is the real crime, and you conservatives refuse to read the facts to see it.

Your system is broken. And the real core of it seem to be money in politics. Unless that is fixed America will continue to die! End of story.

HTS wrote:

You falsely believe that scientists aren't emotional human beings that harbor bias.
There is a lot of. Scientific evidence that falsifies evolution... It is largely ignored because the evolutionary paradigm is fixed.
Fr example, it has been scientifically demonstratednduringnthe last 20 years that the human genome is gradually deteriorating with each and every generation. This is the opposite of what evolution is claimed to be doing. Evolutionists have no explanation for this. They simply hold on to their cherished dogma when science contradicts it.

LOL. You are a fascinating one i will give you that.

You definitely seem more emotionally angry with Science for not confirming your hopes than you are concerned with providing factual evidence to support your claims of an existence of supernatural occurrences.

What that tells me, and everyone else here, is that because you don't have evidence to support your claim you are left trying to figure out ways to fain ignorance so as to say "see because you cant answer my question this magically proves i am right that God did this..and that..and a Vampire jumped into a rocket and flew to Mars...and a Pink Unicorn said 'Stay the Course Young Man'".

Seriously HTS you do realize you come off as a young child. Or a very frightened adult, right? Again, this isnt to offend you, but make you see what rational thinkers see of you.

WHY do people say there are NO MERMAIDS?

Isn't that just silly they dont believe????

i don't understand why people would do that in here in this board, isn't it a place where we can come to ask real questions about creation??

Nobody can disprove mermaids until they know EVERYTHING, but there are so many folks who insist there are no mermaids. If you say of how great mermaids are, they answer like "Well, you're just a <classification here> who cant <some trait that everyone can do here> and who was <more mocking here>, so <obsceneties here> and leave!!"

Why do they do that??? Is this what this world is coming to??

The great planet that mermaids decided to share with us, has rejectors of mermaids great gifts left and right.

Why do the land-folk hate the mer-folk so much?????

It just doesn't make sense!!!

All praise the Mermaid: http://ngiley.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/...

Discord wrote:

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I will never understand people that use the Internet to hate on science.

Again no answers.

Dr Rain wrote:

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LOL. You are a fascinating one i will give you that.
You definitely seem more emotionally angry with Science for not confirming your hopes than you are concerned with providing factual evidence to support your claims of an existence of supernatural occurrences.
What that tells me, and everyone else here, is that because you don't have evidence to support your claim you are left trying to figure out ways to fain ignorance so as to say "see because you cant answer my question this magically proves i am right that God did this..and that..and a Vampire jumped into a rocket and flew to Mars...and a Pink Unicorn said 'Stay the Course Young Man'".
Seriously HTS you do realize you come off as a young child. Or a very frightened adult, right? Again, this isnt to offend you, but make you see what rational thinkers see of you.

You completely mischaracterize me. I have a high regard for science. Evolution is not science. I notice that whenever I engage in a debate on evolution, my opponent always feels a need to bring up religion, as you just did. When all of the philosophical assumptions are stripped away, Darwinism doesn't have a leg to sand o.

Aura Mytha wrote:

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A perfect analysis of the evolutionists position, Say's you cannot remember your great great great great, grandfather but you are related to him. Do you deny this?

I can't remember my high school lock combination either, and that means just as much when discussing spontaneous goo generating into life, nothing.

HTS wrote:

<quoted text>You completely mischaracterize me. I have a high regard for science. Evolution is not science. I notice that whenever I engage in a debate on evolution, my opponent always feels a need to bring up religion, as you just did. When all of the philosophical assumptions are stripped away, Darwinism doesn't have a leg to sand o.

But you clearly believe in some supernatural things...correct? The only time i have ever experienced such vitriol for science is from people with strong faith in magic superstitions.

I want to ask you a question. Please dont avoid it like my other questions. I want to see if you are an objective, open-minded individual; that facts are important to rational society.

If there was a single shred of evidence to support supernatural occurrences I would believe. I would also believe in a God if there was a single piece of evidence to support that.

Now, MY QUESTION TO YOU. Can you say the same for Evolution. If i could show you a single piece of evidence to support the existence of evolution will you believe it and put aside your supernatural superstitions?

Dr Rain wrote:

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But you clearly believe in some supernatural things...correct? The only time i have ever experienced such vitriol for science is from people with strong faith in magic superstitions.
I want to ask you a question. Please dont avoid it like my other questions. I want to see if you are an objective, open-minded individual; that facts are important to rational society.
If there was a single shred of evidence to support supernatural occurrences I would believe. I would also believe in a God if there was a single piece of evidence to support that.
Now, MY QUESTION TO YOU. Can you say the same for Evolution. If i could show you a single piece of evidence to support the existence of evolution will you believe it and put aside your supernatural superstitions?

There is profound evidence of God. How can you say that there is no evidence, when you cannot explain how it exists without an intelligent source?

In answer to your question, I would certainly not accept evolution is a single piece of evidence supported it. Literally any false theory can be propped up by evidence, sometimes compelling. What is critical in scientific inquiry is to look for possibilities of falsification. It is irrelevant how much evidence you think exists to support evolution. If one impossibility can be found, it must be rejected.

Albert Einstein understood this principle when he stated,

“No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong.”*

*Wynn, Charles M.; Wiggins, Arthur W.; Harris, Sidney (1997) The Five Biggest Ideas in Science. John Wiley and Sons, p. 107. ISBN 0-471-13812-6.

HTS wrote:

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There is profound evidence of God. How can you say that there is no evidence, when you cannot explain how it exists without an intelligent source?
In answer to your question, I would certainly not accept evolution is a single piece of evidence supported it. Literally any false theory can be propped up by evidence, sometimes compelling. What is critical in scientific inquiry is to look for possibilities of falsification. It is irrelevant how much evidence you think exists to support evolution. If one impossibility can be found, it must be rejected.
Albert Einstein understood this principle when he stated,
“No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong.”*
*Wynn, Charles M.; Wiggins, Arthur W.; Harris, Sidney (1997) The Five Biggest Ideas in Science. John Wiley and Sons, p. 107. ISBN 0-471-13812-6.

What is this supposed profound evidence of god? No human has ever seen it, please share...

Dr Rain wrote:

The different between Science and Creationism can't be clearer:
We, in Science, don't define an absolute must-have conclusion and then pick, chose and modify the evidence to make sure it fits that conclusion.

Oh! you have got to be kidding, you don't have an absolute must have conclusion? You and your ilk know life arose through natural forces, why? life is here and it couldn't have happened any other way. I've seen this dozens of times on this thread. Now you have absolutely zero evidence that life spontaneuosly generates into existence on it's own,again, listen closely, you have zero evidence,yet your minions still believe it, why? because it is necessary to perpetuate your predetermined conclusion and world view.

HTS wrote:

There is profound evidence of God.

Such as?

RU CRS wrote:

<quoted text>My religion teaches true love, and I have experienced great joy in the hope it gives to me. We all will be disappointed with this life, and we will suffer and die if nature gives us long life at best. The other side is the danger to our freedom, why must they go on hating what we Christians hold dear.

So, you are another one of those people who ignore most of the bible?

HTS wrote:

<quoted text>You completely mischaracterize me. I have a high regard for science. Evolution is not science. I notice that whenever I engage in a debate on evolution, my opponent always feels a need to bring up religion, as you just did. When all of the philosophical assumptions are stripped away, Darwinism doesn't have a leg to sand o.

You can repeat this lie as often as you want too. Of course you have nothing to back it up with. The reason we bring up religion is because you are arguing from a religious view point. There is no such thing as an honest informed creationist. They either have fatally flawed concepts of what evolution is and what the evidence for evolution is or they lie. Show me one who is not either of these. Don't even try to bring up Michael Behe, he had an epic failure in the Dover trial where his own testimony showed this to be the case.

bohart wrote:

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Oh! you have got to be kidding, you don't have an absolute must have conclusion? You and your ilk know life arose through natural forces, why? life is here and it couldn't have happened any other way. I've seen this dozens of times on this thread. Now you have absolutely zero evidence that life spontaneuosly generates into existence on it's own,again, listen closely, you have zero evidence,yet your minions still believe it, why? because it is necessary to perpetuate your predetermined conclusion and world view.

Abiogenesis is a reasonable assumption based on the history of science. There is not one event that when explained has not been explained with totally naturalistic means. There is nothing that has happened in the history of the world that needs the existence of a god to explain it. And abiogenesis does not seem to be an insolvable problem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Of course if it is solved in the lab the creationists will only move the goal posts once again as they have many times before.

woodtick57 wrote:

<quoted text>What is this supposed profound evidence of god? No human has ever seen it, please share...

Your statement is born of supreme arrogance. No one can examine all of the evidence, so no one can categorically say that evidence doesn't exist.

Subduction Zone wrote:

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There is not one event that when explained has not been explained with totally naturalistic means. There is nothing that has happened in the history of the world that needs the existence of a god to explain it. And abiogenesis does not seem to be an insolvable problem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Of course if it is solved in the lab the creationists will only move the goal posts once again as they have many times before.

What a load of tripe...
Not one event that has not been explained by totally naturalistic means? How can science explain mechanism that aren't even understood by man?
I there a scientific explanation for how naturalism produced migratory instincts and navigational ability in whales?
Shall I continue to cite more examples and make you look like an even bigger fool?

HTS wrote:

<quoted text>Your statement is born of supreme arrogance. No one can examine all of the evidence, so no one can categorically say that evidence doesn't exist.

You are the one who claimed evidence exists, name at least one bit of evidence that supports the existence of a god. Make sure that there is not just as much evidence for a "magic teapot".

Subduction Zone wrote:

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Abiogenesis is a reasonable assumption based on the history of science. There is not one event that when explained has not been explained with totally naturalistic means. There is nothing that has happened in the history of the world that needs the existence of a god to explain it. And abiogenesis does not seem to be an insolvable problem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Of course if it is solved in the lab the creationists will only move the goal posts once again as they have many times before.

Talk about lies? a reasonable assumption based on the history of science? you are either uninformed , lying or stupid, and I don't believe you are stupid. When it comes to life, science is rock solid, life has only been proven to come from existing life.Never in any setting has this been disproven, yet you go against the science and believe in abiogenesis. As I said,there is zero evidence so you can't claim any scientific basis for your belief.It is your world view, a predetermined bias of what you want, not what science says about the subject of life.Abiogenesis is a belief, based on assumptions ,backed by hope.

Subduction Zone wrote:

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You are the one who claimed evidence exists, name at least one bit of evidence that supports the existence of a god. Make sure that there is not just as much evidence for a "magic teapot".

Biological altruism.