Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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May 6, 2012
 
CTEd wrote:
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I agree... it will be just as viable as it is today..... which is to say not at all.
Not viable to you, but to millions of others.

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Langoliers wrote:
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Read all the postings
They all come from the same source.
Thousands of years apart and one not even knowing of the others existence
Yet they read a like. Open your mines to what it's really saying.
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CTEd wrote:
<quoted text>Of course it's rationinal there are not other explanations... unless you think that all of the above happened becuase of some itelligent all powerful god, that was created spontanously out of thin air. I mightly complex being that popped into being by random chance.

Yeah that's even more rational.
Now don't show your ignorance. God it not pop out of thin air ( he made thin air)
Nor did he ( I use the term "he" unintending to label God as a sexual being) spontanously appear. God created time the he created you in it. There is little chance you would ever be able to understand much about that kind of superior being. And here's the real mind blowing part. He gave you the total freedom to do what your doing against him. Why would he do that?
God said " Revenge is mine. "

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I really don't know. why don't you go ask one.
If that's an appropriate answer, then you could have answered your own question "Can an ant recognize the intelligence of a human?" with it.

Now, since we're dealing with human beings and not ants, do you have any *relevant* questions?

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So you think by abolishing God you will do away with evil?
There is lots of evil in the God camp, but--

I doubt that abolishing god could even happen, as there are way to many gullible and simple minded people in the US that need something to lean on and put blame on.

I think what needs to happen is a strengthening of the separation of church and state laws and strict enforcement. One in particular that needs enforcement is about keeping churches from endorsing certain political parties and/or candidates...if they do they lose tax exemption.

Also, I am a straight person so I have little to fear, but government and churches need to keep the hell out of everyone's bedroom and head.

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Now don't show your ignorance. God it not pop out of thin air ( he made thin air)
Nor did he ( I use the term "he" unintending to label God as a sexual being) spontanously appear. God created time the he created you in it. There is little chance you would ever be able to understand much about that kind of superior being. And here's the real mind blowing part. He gave you the total freedom to do what your doing against him. Why would he do that?
God said " Revenge is mine. "
Neither did the universe, no god needed.

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Not viable to you, but to millions of others.
Appeal to the majority fallacy.

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Perceiving a threat, if far from the recognition of intelligence.
Recognition does not mean understand. Intelligence of another life form is a threat when it exceeds your own, so yes, perception of a threat does include perceiving intelligence.

The real world is not as simple as you want to make it appear. There is a lot to study, learn, and so much beauty in the real world, it would be nice if you joined us in it.

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There is lots of evil in the God camp, but--
I doubt that abolishing god could even happen, as there are way to many gullible and simple minded people in the US that need something to lean on and put blame on.
I think what needs to happen is a strengthening of the separation of church and state laws and strict enforcement. One in particular that needs enforcement is about keeping churches from endorsing certain political parties and/or candidates...if they do they lose tax exemption.
Also, I am a straight person so I have little to fear, but government and churches need to keep the hell out of everyone's bedroom and head.
Apparently politicians are dictating moral codes, that coincide with their agendas, and forcing them on the populace.

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Langoliers wrote:
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Now don't show your ignorance. God it not pop out of thin air ( he made thin air)
Nor did he ( I use the term "he" unintending to label God as a sexual being) spontanously appear. God created time the he created you in it. There is little chance you would ever be able to understand much about that kind of superior being. And here's the real mind blowing part. He gave you the total freedom to do what your doing against him. Why would he do that?
God said " Revenge is mine. "
Then where did your god come from?

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thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>There is lots of evil in the God camp, but--

I doubt that abolishing god could even happen, as there are way to many gullible and simple minded people in the US that need something to lean on and put blame on.

I think what needs to happen is a strengthening of the separation of church and state laws and strict enforcement. One in particular that needs enforcement is about keeping churches from endorsing certain political parties and/or candidates...if they do they lose tax exemption.

Also, I am a straight person so I have little to fear, but government and churches need to keep the hell out of everyone's bedroom and head.
Ok so you want to strengthen part of the first amendment (separation of church and state) while eliminating another part (freedom of speach).

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Apparently politicians are dictating moral codes, that coincide with their agendas, and forcing them on the populace.
And this is different...since when?

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Recognition does not mean understand. Intelligence of another life form is a threat when it exceeds your own, so yes, perception of a threat does include perceiving intelligence.
The real world is not as simple as you want to make it appear. There is a lot to study, learn, and so much beauty in the real world, it would be nice if you joined us in it.
Join you in what way?
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Langoliers wrote:
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God created time the he created you in it. There is little chance you would ever be able to understand much about that kind of superior being. "
Apparently YOU don't understand very much either. How could a being exist, plan, create, etc. OUTSIDE of time or before time was created? Those are all actions that take place IN TIME.

It takes time to realize you're lonely and want some company so you ought to create a world and people in it, etc.

And you are telling us all of this happened BEFORE time was created?
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And here's the real mind blowing part. He gave you the total freedom to do what your doing against him. Why would he do that?
God said " Revenge is mine. "
Let me guess -- so he can revel in sadistically burning and torturing me endlessly, for all eternity because I don't "believe in him"?

You worship a God who will torture you forever if you don't. And you are PROUD of this?

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Join you in what way?
What by committing myself to the secular view of science?(lol)

Not gonna happen.

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May 6, 2012
 
One cannot have a finite, without a infinite. They define each other.(Infinite being "God")

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And this is different...since when?
good point.lol

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Join you in what way?
It's a turn of phrase. I am inviting you to stop repeating the same thing over and over again and learn something new. Like I did with the intelligence perception, that is what's called critical thinking. You have some facts, and from those facts you apply logic and draw a conclusion that is supported by the facts. It may not be correct, and if someone could show that it is not correct with other facts then I would have to concede. Just saying "you're wrong" is not a fact, nor is it a valid argument to counter any logical assumption. This is why science changes and religion does not, religion parrots and the followers parrot the same old stuff over and over again, science grows and people learn to use it to come to new conclusions, new premises, new ideas. This is also why science produces results and helps progress humanity, while religion does not.

In short, come up with different material, use your own head to do this. Become a critical thinker. So far you are just repeating the same things that have already been countered, the ant argument for example, I did not repeat the perfectly valid commonly used point to counter it, I'm bored with those. But most of what you have asserted has been covered. If anything, learn about the science so you can counter it with something new. Who knows, you may actually be able to challenge the theory successfully. But you have to learn it in order to do that. Kent Hovind and his ilk have not learned it.

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One cannot have a finite, without a infinite. They define each other.(Infinite being "God")
That's like saying you cannot have time without no time.

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<quoted text>Neither did the universe, no god needed.
Oh yea the big bang. When nothing exploded great science there.
Or a singular exploded then of course we have to deal with where did the singular come from? And what ever made it explode? And why did it just happen to coincide with the start of time. And what is a singular. Why was it just sitting there waiting to explode?

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