Despite early snow, warmer-than-average winter predicted for Mi...

Tank Murdoch wrote:

National Overview:
Temperature Highlights - October
The average October temperature of 50.8°F was 4.0°F below the 20th Century average and ranked as the 3rd coolest based on preliminary data.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/...

...and Alaska was 6.3 degrees F above the 30 year average...and September 2009 was the 2nd warmest on record GLOBALLY. I fail to see any evidence for or against Global Warming here.

jcf817 wrote:

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... I fail to see any evidence for or against Global Warming here.

That is why it is called a "Theory"

Christy NE Mpls wrote:

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That is why it is called a "Theory"

No. It is called a theory because it is based on evidence.

Global warming is all the fault of man. We have increased co2 in the atmosphere and temperatures have gone up. There is no more evidence necessary.
President Obama (I still get the chills when I say that) should bring in Al Gore to be his climate and economics czar so he can fix it. He had the election stolen from him but he can still save the planet.

Darwinian wrote:

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No. It is called a theory because it is based on evidence.

Right-basically thats what I said. We have evidence and nothing is proven as fact.

Same as saying "I have evidence you are an idiot". That does not prove it, it is still just a theory at this point..

Honest Liberal,

Please explain why high co2 and high temps are bad.
Imagine living in Minnesota during winter and growing oranges instead of snow pile.

Aren't you tired of trying to defend a point that has no definate proof of proving your point. Please go to http://www.drudgereport.com/ and read how we just went thru the 3rd coldest month on record. Did co2 just happen to decline during this month or could global warming just not have enough provable facts to bring it to a scientific conclusion?

jcf817 wrote:

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...and Alaska was 6.3 degrees F above the 30 year average...and September 2009 was the 2nd warmest on record GLOBALLY. I fail to see any evidence for or against Global Warming here.

As I said a while ago. Its 5pm somewhere and time for a beer.

Just like its warming somewhere.

Hurricane Ida and the first two weeks of November are more proof of global warming. We need to pass cap and trade now!

Yeaaaaaaaaah! Stay warm forever.

Quiet Atlantic hurricane season a boon for insurers
Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:01pm EDT

By Jim Loney

MIAMI (Reuters)- Thanks to El Nino, the 2009 Atlantic hurricane season has been the quietest in more than a decade, offering a reprieve for residents in the danger zone and a chance for insurance firms to refill depleted coffers.

With the peak of the season -- late August to mid-October -- now behind, the Atlantic-Caribbean basin has seen just two hurricanes and a total of eight tropical storms.

El Nino, the Pacific warm-water phenomenon that can produce destructive weather in other parts of the world, played a big role in suppressing Atlantic cyclones this year, experts said.

If the full season, which runs from June through November, ended today, it would be the lowest number of storms since 1997. The last time an Atlantic season produced only two hurricanes was 1982.

HonestLiberal wrote:

Global warming is all the fault of man. We have increased co2 in the atmosphere and temperatures have gone up. There is no more evidence necessary.
President Obama (I still get the chills when I say that) should bring in Al Gore to be his climate and economics czar so he can fix it. He had the election stolen from him but he can still save the planet.

Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. Global temperature is influenced by solar activity, not by CO2. Carbon dioxide is 38/1000ths of a percent of the earth's atmosphere. It has nothing to do with the earth's temperature.

Tank Murdoch wrote:

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As I said a while ago. Its 5pm somewhere and time for a beer.
Just like its warming somewhere.

And it's always cooling somewhere, too....yet you feel the need to trot out the old "Look how cold it's been!" 'argument'.

Arrogant American wrote:

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Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. Global temperature is influenced by solar activity, not by CO2. Carbon dioxide is 38/1000ths of a percent of the earth's atmosphere. It has nothing to do with the earth's temperature.

CO2 has nothing to do with the earth's temperature the way the glass skin of a greenhouse has nothing to do with the temperature inside the greenhouse.
Of course all heat here derives from insolation, but, the CO2 is a greenhouse gas, which means it traps the sun's heat, preventing that heat from dissipating back into space, making the earth warmer. There is a multiplying effect as well - melting permafrost releases trapped CO2 into the atmosphere, and melting ice reduces the earth's albedo, creating additional warming.
Think about it - closing your windows in winter helps your furnace keep your house warm.

Truthhurtz wrote:

more snow please my skidoo misses me

I hear yah their - warmer winter - could me more snow???
bring it on

jcf817 wrote:

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And it's always cooling somewhere, too....yet you feel the need to trot out the old "Look how cold it's been!" 'argument'.

so why get all shook up-the planet never stays constant.

cools-warms naturally

Lower Taxes wrote:

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so why get all shook up-the planet never stays constant.
cools-warms naturally

Don't recall getting shook up. I just don't care for the scientific illiteracy of most people who deny Global Warming.

jcf817 wrote:

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Don't recall getting shook up. I just don't care for the scientific illiteracy of most people who deny Global Warming.

what is your proof the planet is warming and furthermore even if so, what is your proof man is causing it.

Go ahead now and give me an opinion as usual, when I am asking for facts

Capt Knowledge wrote:

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what is your proof the planet is warming and furthermore even if so, what is your proof man is causing it.
Go ahead now and give me an opinion as usual, when I am asking for facts

For the millionth time...I have never claimed to have proof. There is a lot of evidence that supports the theory of anthropogenic global warming. My only concern is that scientific illiterates like yourself will gain control of the debate.

The proof is simple. Man has put co2 into the atmosphere and the earth has warmed. Al Gore did the research and concluded that it is mans fault. Why can't you all understand this?

jcf817 wrote:

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For the millionth time...I have never claimed to have proof. There is a lot of evidence that supports the theory of anthropogenic global warming. My only concern is that scientific illiterates like yourself will gain control of the debate.

But its OK when scientific illiterates that are using the argument for political gain are in control of the debate? Just as long as they are towing the liberal line?