Despite early snow, warmer-than-average winter predicted for Mi...

%^$# it all I just want to snowmobile.

silverback wrote:

Total B.S.!! climatologists from around the world are now pridicting that given current cooling trends we are entering a 20 year period of falling temps. Cool crappy summer last year leading to a ridiculously long cold winter, now this summer was even crappier, one of the coolest on record, leading into snow in early october, does anyone see a pattern here? It's gonna be cold long winter in MN for the next 6 months.

Guess you were wrong.

Tank Murdoch wrote:

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and so Al Gore's prediction like so many others of doom and gloom for the planet is dead wrong-

The planet will be fine. It's the human beings that may not do so well.

jcf817 wrote:

Another beautiful warm day WAAAAY above average. So much for Global Cooling.

know the difference between climate, weather and global warming.

It hards to grow crops with an ice age, all being equal warming is much better than coolong for all of us

Darwinian wrote:

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Actually, the possible existence of Bigfoot does not fit the definition of a theory for two reasons:......

That is correct-there is a possibility but not proven-its a theory. Just like global warming is a possibility but not proven-its a theory.

You struggle between fact and theories and the asoociatedd definitions.

You must like being a little pregnant. Either you are or you are not.

Grover Cleveland wrote:

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know the difference between climate, weather and global warming.
It hards to grow crops with an ice age, all being equal warming is much better than coolong for all of us

I'm sorry you don't understand satire.

Darwinian wrote:

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In fact, the fact that the earth revolves around the sun in a theory;

the fact that the sun is larger than the earth is a theory;

the fact that germs cause diseases is a theory;

the fact that we share a common ancestor with apes is a theory.

In science, fact and theory are generally the same thing:
http://wilstar.com/theories.htm

You have the square peg round hole thing going on-

If you say its a fact, you need to finish with a fact. Facts are truths, theories are basically a guess until proven otherwise.

KY Rider wrote:

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You have the square peg round hole thing going on-
If you say its a fact, you need to finish with a fact. Facts are truths, theories are basically a guess until proven otherwise.

Wrong. A scientific theory is absolutely NOT a guess.
In science, one begins with an hypothesis, tests it rigorously and either falsifies or supports it. After a long period of support, such an hypothesis is termed a theory, implying an overarching complex of intertwined well-supported hypotheses.
In other words, a scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation, as described in the first definition in Webster’s II,“systematically organized knowledge applicable in a relatively wide variety of circumstances.” A good example is “atomic theory,” which refers to the firmly established structure, properties and behavior of the atom. Although atomic theory is at least as factually based as the location of Paris, it is still referred to as a theory.

Grover Cleveland wrote:

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That is correct-there is a possibility but not proven-its a theory. Just like global warming is a possibility but not proven-its a theory.
You struggle between fact and theories and the asoociatedd definitions.
You must like being a little pregnant. Either you are or you are not.

Nothing in science is considered "proven"; however, an hypothesis does not attain the status of a theory unless it has been tested over and over again, and no evidence has been uncovered which would tend to disprove it. Gravity is a theory as well as a fact; even so, it is not considered "proven" because some day, somewhere, an apple might detach itself from a branch and float upward.

Darwinian wrote:

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Nothing in science is considered "proven"; however, an hypothesis does not attain the status of a theory unless it has been tested over and over again, and no evidence has been uncovered which would tend to disprove it. Gravity is a theory as well as a fact; even so, it is not considered "proven" because some day, somewhere, an apple might detach itself from a branch and float upward.

dummie-this is not hard.

if its not proven, then its a theory.

Try this;

The world was once considered in theory to be flat.

It is now a fact that its round.

What is your educational background???

KY Rider wrote:

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dummie-this is not hard.
if its not proven, then its a theory.
Try this;
The world was once considered in theory to be flat.
It is now a fact that its round.
What is your educational background???

Wrong. The idea that the earth was flat was never a scientific theory - that idea predated modern science and the scientific method.
My educational background: Bachelor of Arts, Bachelor of Science, Master of Arts, Master of Science, and, so far, all but the dissertation toward a PhD. And those degrees are from quality institutions, like Smith College, Cornell University, Indiana University and Columbia University.
What's your educational background?

Darwinian wrote:

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Wrong. The idea that the earth was flat was never a scientific theory - that idea predated modern science and the scientific method.
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Dumdum-

The earth being flat was once a theory-give it up you moron.

The word "theory" has been used well before Columbus you idiot.

No different now that global warming is man made based on CO2.

Tank Murdoch wrote:

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Dumdum-
The earth being flat was once a theory-give it up you moron.
The word "theory" has been used well before Columbus you idiot.
No different now that global warming is man made based on CO2.

Sigh.
As I have explained over and over and over again, there are two different meanings for the word "theory"; only one of those definitions applies to the scientific method, which did not exist before the era of modern science.
As for the name calling, as usual, it does nothing to advance your argument.

Darwinian wrote:

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Sigh.
As I have explained over and over and over again, there are two different meanings for the word "theory"; only one of those definitions applies to the scientific method, which did not exist before the era of modern science.
As for the name calling, as usual, it does nothing to advance your argument.

You can have all the defintions you want about theories-it does not equate to science or the main component of science which is fact.

2+2=4 is a fact.

Tank Murdoch wrote:

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You can have all the defintions you want about theories-it does not equate to science or the main component of science which is fact.
2+2=4 is a fact.

This is nothing but scientific illiteracy.

KY Rider wrote:

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You have the square peg round hole thing going on-
If you say its a fact, you need to finish with a fact. Facts are truths, theories are basically a guess until proven otherwise.

Gravity is only a theory. Hang on!

I thought I heard this was going to be a colder than average winter??? can't predict mother nature can we...32 all winter would be just awesome!!!

picklesnorkie wrote:

I thought I heard this was going to be a colder than average winter??? can't predict mother nature can we...32 all winter would be just awesome!!!

I am with you! I like sunshine and being able to be outdoors in a sweatshirt.
17 layers and still getting frostbite? That's just dumb. A chilly winter bite is fine, 2 months of below zero like last year, well that's insane.

Darwinian wrote:

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Wrong. The idea that the earth was flat was never a scientific theory - that idea predated modern science and the scientific method.
My educational background: Bachelor of Arts, Bachelor of Science, Master of Arts, Master of Science, and, so far, all but the dissertation toward a PhD. And those degrees are from quality institutions, like Smith College, Cornell University, Indiana University and Columbia University.
What's your educational background?

After reading your posts, I think your money would have been better spent elsewhere..sorry.

National Overview:

Temperature Highlights - October

The average October temperature of 50.8°F was 4.0°F below the 20th Century average and ranked as the 3rd coolest based on preliminary data.


http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/...