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jcf817,

Do not confuse your ramblings with the original topic.

The topic is related to global warming and climate change. you believe this yet you present no facts or evidence that are relevant to this discussion. I com ein and say this hogwash. Show me evidence. You say show me evidence that you are correct.

To prove my point. You can not prove this theory global warming and climate change is true and I course can not prove it is untrue because there are no facts or evidence linking these that are considered relevant to topic.

Just keep on kidding yourself and maybe one day you will understand what people are saying about this.

Al Gore started this BS and he refuses to discuss this in a way that will bring up opposing views.

Science is based on a discssion of facts resulting in accuracy for further predictions of action. EG no matter how you heat up water it will turn into steam. Thjis will always happen. This is called a cocclusion based on facts that is scientifically based to be true. It is facts.

Global warming / climate change has no facts as this.

Pat from Blaine wrote:

jcf817,
Do not confuse your ramblings with the original topic.
The topic is related to global warming and climate change. you believe this yet you present no facts or evidence that are relevant to this discussion. I com ein and say this hogwash. Show me evidence. You say show me evidence that you are correct.
To prove my point. You can not prove this theory global warming and climate change is true and I course can not prove it is untrue because there are no facts or evidence linking these that are considered relevant to topic.
Just keep on kidding yourself and maybe one day you will understand what people are saying about this.
Al Gore started this BS and he refuses to discuss this in a way that will bring up opposing views.
Science is based on a discssion of facts resulting in accuracy for further predictions of action. EG no matter how you heat up water it will turn into steam. Thjis will always happen. This is called a cocclusion based on facts that is scientifically based to be true. It is facts.
Global warming / climate change has no facts as this.

Please show me where I said Global Warming/Climate Change is true.
Thanks in advance.

Christy NE Mpls wrote:

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He is a climatogist for NASA and PHD in meteorolgy at University of Huntsville Alabama-I doubt he lied on his resume.

As I posted repeatedly, Spencer has a PhD in METEOROLOGY, not climatology, which, apparently, you had trouble reading.
As for his work at NASA, Dr. Roy Spencer is the U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer (AMSR-E) on NASA's Aqua satellite. He is also a spokesman and scientist for the Heartland Institute, which has strong ties to both the tobacco industry and the petroleum industry.

Tank Murdoch wrote:

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Rockhead, your confusing science and theories.
Science is fact-no debate about. The sky is blue.
Theories are a best guess or an opinion. I think man might be causing global warming.
get it?????
Being you are an Art major you always get that confused.

You are the one who has no clue about the definition of theory; a scientific theory is far from a "best guess or an opinion". In fact, the fact that the earth revolves around the sun in a theory; the fact that the sun is larger than the earth is a theory; the fact that germs cause diseases is a theory; the fact that we share a common ancestor with apes is a theory. In science, fact and theory are generally the same thing:

http://wilstar.com/theories.htm

jcf817 wrote:

Thanks for the link about the color of the sky.
It proves my point.
To further prove my point, all you would need to do is go up into the sky, capture some of it in a jar, and bring it back to earth. You'd have a jar full of air...clear, no color.
Therefore, "The sky IS blue." is not an accurate statement.

Don't you realize, you cannot capture some of the sky in a jar, the sky is pasted to the dome that covers the flat earth, it is "up there", at the top, out of our reach, rather like the drawings kids do in preschool.

Darwinian wrote:

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You are the one who has no clue about the definition of theory; a scientific theory is far from a "best guess or an opinion". In fact, the fact that the earth revolves around the sun in a theory; the fact that the sun is larger than the earth is a theory; the fact that germs cause diseases is a theory; the fact that we share a common ancestor with apes is a theory. In science, fact and theory are generally the same thing:
http://wilstar.com/theories.htm

Glad you know your ABC's rockhead

The point is this, theories and science are different. Global warming is a theory and a work in progress if you will.

It is hardly factual or science.

capiche???

Darwinian wrote:

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In science, fact and theory are generally the same thing:

That is one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard.

Facts and Theories are totally different you moron.

A fact has no theory-it is just that a fact.

A theory is a best guess, nothing more and falls well short of a fact.

Tank Murdoch wrote:

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Glad you know your ABC's rockhead
The point is this, theories and science are different. Global warming is a theory and a work in progress if you will.
It is hardly factual or science.
capiche???

What color is the SKY IN YOUR WORLD?

FACT

–noun 1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.

2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.

3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true:
Scientists gather facts about plant growth.

4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.
5. Law. Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence. Compare question of fact, question of law

THEORY

1. a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.

2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.

3. Mathematics. a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.

4. the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice: music theory.

5. a particular conception or view of something to be done or of the method of doing it; a system of rules or principles.

6. contemplation or speculation.

7. guess or conjecture

Tank Murdoch wrote:

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Glad you know your ABC's rockhead
The point is this, theories and science are different. Global warming is a theory and a work in progress if you will.
It is hardly factual or science.
capiche???

You are so scientifically illiterate it is hard to believe. You think theories have nothing to do with science? Gravity is a theory. Heliocentrism is a theory. Plate tectonics is a theory. Evolution is a theory. They are all, also, scientific facts.

Christy NE Mpls wrote:

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That is one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard.
Facts and Theories are totally different you moron.
A fact has no theory-it is just that a fact.
A theory is a best guess, nothing more and falls well short of a fact.

There are two completely different definitions of the word theory. One is the lay definition, which is, in fact "a best guess". In science, a "best guess" is called an hypothesis. The scientific definition of theory is much more than a "best guess". Look it up.

Christy NE Mpls wrote:

THEORY
1. a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.
2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.
3. Mathematics. a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.
4. the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice: music theory.
5. a particular conception or view of something to be done or of the method of doing it; a system of rules or principles.
6. contemplation or speculation.
7. guess or conjecture

http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistry101/a/...
A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it. Therefore, theories can be disproven. Basically, if evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, then the hypothesis can become accepted as a good explanation of a phenomenon. One definition of a theory is to say it's an accepted hypothesis.

Darwinian wrote:

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http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistry101/a/...
A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it. Therefore, theories can be disproven. Basically, if evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, then the hypothesis can become accepted as a good explanation of a phenomenon. One definition of a theory is to say it's an accepted hypothesis.

Yep a "theory" is just that as defined with your link-our best guess at a given time.

Bigfoot existence or not is a theory and so is man made global warming.

When its a fact the debate will stop.

Darwinian wrote:

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You are so scientifically illiterate it is hard to believe. You think theories have nothing to do with science? Gravity is a theory. Heliocentrism is a theory. Plate tectonics is a theory. Evolution is a theory. They are all, also, scientific facts.

Theories are all that we have until proven or dis-proven. Then its a fact or science.

its really not that hard if you are willing to THINK

vetinwbl wrote:

<quoted text>What color is the SKY IN YOUR WORLD?

Blue

Livin Woodbury wrote:

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Yep a "theory" is just that as defined with your link-our best guess at a given time.
Bigfoot existence or not is a theory and so is man made global warming.
When its a fact the debate will stop.

Actually, the possible existence of Bigfoot does not fit the definition of a theory for two reasons:
1)There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of big foot, and theories, by definition, must be based on evidence, and
2)There is no way to disprove the existence of Bigfoot. Scientific theories must have a mechanism for disproving them, in other words, they have to be falsifiable. For example, the theory of evolution could easily be disproved if just one fossil were found in the wrong geological context - so far, in over 150 years of digging up fossils, not one has been found in the wrong place.

As I posted, a "best guess" would be an hypothesis; a scientific theory is an explanation for evidence.

UN Climate Chief: Deal Must be Legally Enforceable

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091102/ap_on_re_...

BARCELONA, Spain – Developing countries don't trust wealthy nations' promises that they will help them meet the challenges of climate change, the U.N.'s top climate official said Monday, adding that means any new global warming deal must have legal force.

The legal status of an agreement and whether nations will be sanctioned for failing to meet their commitments are contentious issues in talks on controlling the world's emissions of carbon and other heat-raising greenhouse gases.

"We live in a world of broken promises," said Yvo de Boer, the U.N. climate chief, told The Associated Press. Developing countries are concerned "they will commit to targets and not deliver."

more at news.yahoo.com ...

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Like the same legal enforcement that worked against Saddam Hussein? And now, Iran, Myanmar, Congo, Sudan and North Korea?

Oh wait. this time THOSE guys will be the "enforcers". No thanks...NOT WANTED!

COME TO MINNESOTA aND wISC and tell us about globel warming .Its a joke .

Another beautiful warm day WAAAAY above average. So much for Global Cooling.