What is your view of global warming?

this would also mean further cooling

we get any major volcanic eruptions then theres a further cooling footprint added

theworldasweknowit wrote:

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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm...
In Oz our high pressure systems keep giving way to low pressure systems which isnt typical of recent years. These low pressure systems keep getting bigger and more intense. We are also a lot colder here I reckon by up to 5 d c this year.

Thanks for the info.

NZ report also indicates connection with imported air from tropics (That is where the fuel for the big storms happens to be).

More dynamism=wider storm sweep.

Sounds like the last one left the Kiwis on the vine.

Awaiting next one with interest.

Sat image of W. side of OZ now shows that the connected buster reported a few days ago has swept the monsoonal input to near horizontal E. and has taken a lot of warm air with it. Cold air near sea level is not showing up in the sat image. Buster should now be near E.Australia,(probably the same storm).

Have a nice day: Ag

another-peace-nic wrote:

"We're borrowing money from China to buy oil from the Persian Gulf to burn it in ways that destroy the planet. Every bit of that's got to change."
What do you think?

Gee, if you think that is bad we are also buying oil from China that they got by drilling off the coast of Florida/Cuba.

tina anne wrote:

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Gee, if you think that is bad we are also buying oil from China that they got by drilling off the coast of Florida/Cuba.

Silly Tina, if U.S. companies can't drill of Florida, neither can anyone else. If Cuba lets China drill off thier coast and we buy it (that would be news to me) it is all the more reason that it's got to change. Right?

Adrian Godsafe MSc wrote:

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Thanks for the info.
NZ report also indicates connection with imported air from tropics (That is where the fuel for the big storms happens to be).
More dynamism=wider storm sweep.
Sounds like the last one left the Kiwis on the vine.
Awaiting next one with interest.
Sat image of W. side of OZ now shows that the connected buster reported a few days ago has swept the monsoonal input to near horizontal E. and has taken a lot of warm air with it. Cold air near sea level is not showing up in the sat image. Buster should now be near E.Australia,(probably the same storm).
Have a nice day: Ag

yes we have been advised there is a cold to very cold airmass with this frontal system which should bring widespread snow on sunday down below 1000m

The other thing of note is the low pressure systems that have developed off Queensland (another there now) that then move down the east coast bringing heavy rainfall. When these link up with cold air masses it gives us very atypical weather. Also as you have noticed to the west off the west Australian cost we are now getting significant moisture drawn from there sometimes all the way across Australia and down to NZ. They are massive systems.

I tend to think with the PDO shift and as la ninas become more predominant that this will be the atypical weather for the next 20-30 years here.

another-peace-nic wrote:

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Silly Tina, if U.S. companies can't drill of Florida, neither can anyone else. If Cuba lets China drill off thier coast and we buy it (that would be news to me) it is all the more reason that it's got to change. Right?

Perhaps you are unaware that the chinese ARE drilling off the coast of Florida....
Just outside the international border. We can't stop them, but we can stop our own companies from drilling there. Makes sense right?

another-peace-nic wrote:

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Silly Tina, if U.S. companies can't drill of Florida, neither can anyone else. If Cuba lets China drill off thier coast and we buy it (that would be news to me) it is all the more reason that it's got to change. Right?

Change what, Cuba? The point was that stopping US companies from drilling right next door to a chinese rig is illogical. Either you have to stop the chinese from drilling which you can't or you may as well let US companies do the same. Personally I would prefer someone other than the chinese do the drilling considering thier safety record.

Years ago, I heard a statistic, that just ONE volcanic eruption, spews more greenhouse gases than all the factories, vehicles, and animals combined. Global warming is a natural cyclic event. We have had many periods of warming and cooling throughout geologic history. According to scientists we have been on this earth as humanity for what? A million years... More??? Less???? It doesn't matter. The earth is 4 billion years old according to the same scientists.

I often wonder, how conceited we as a species have become, to realistically think that my Kia Spectra, is causing any significant damage to anyone? Well.... except for the bugs in the radiator! The earth has over 6 billion people on it, and the same scientists that espouse the Global Warming tripe, also claim that we have caused the extinction of billions of species of animals. Nature herself is a "Dungeon Master" of the game called "Survival of the Fittest". When it is our time, we are going to go... But, earth has shown amazing adaptability. She has gone from a shapeless mass of molten rock, to the wonderous thing we see before us. We aren't going to cause anything that earth cannot correct. Global warming... Happens all the time.

Oh and by the way... The past 10 years, the average temperatures on earth has dropped... Hmmm... Dropping temperatures... hmmm??? Yup, I agree, it sure seems as if the earth is warming...

Carl in Murrells Inlet wrote:

Years ago, I heard a statistic, that just ONE volcanic eruption, spews more greenhouse gases than all the factories, vehicles, and animals combined.

You must have heard that 200 years ago.

WeElectedABunchOfIdiots wrote:

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Perhaps you are unaware that the chinese ARE drilling off the coast of Florida....
Just outside the international border. We can't stop them, but we can stop our own companies from drilling there. Makes sense right?

You guys just can’t get your facts straight.

“On June 11, the McClatchy Washington bureau reported that China has entered into a deal with Cuba for potential onshore drilling west of Havana. McClatchy also reported that Florida Republican Sen. Mel Martinez said a deal between China and Cuba for offshore drilling is ‘akin to urban legend.’”

-Emi Kolawole
Read the rest here.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/are_the...

theworldasweknowit wrote:

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yes we have been advised there is a cold to very cold airmass with this frontal system which should bring widespread snow on sunday down below 1000m
The other thing of note is the low pressure systems that have developed off Queensland (another there now) that then move down the east coast bringing heavy rainfall. When these link up with cold air masses it gives us very atypical weather. Also as you have noticed to the west off the west Australian cost we are now getting significant moisture drawn from there sometimes all the way across Australia and down to NZ. They are massive systems.
I tend to think with the PDO shift and as la ninas become more predominant that this will be the atypical weather for the next 20-30 years here.

By then it hould be typical.

About 10 years usually sees the natural response to extra water become regarded as the norm by the local polulation.

have a nice day: Ag

About 50 years is the usual response time for the entire ecosystem to change permanently (see desertification in Sahara, & conversion of seasonal forest to rainforest in subtropics).

Have a nice day: Ag

Carl in Murrells Inlet wrote:

Years ago, I heard a statistic, that just ONE volcanic eruption, spews more greenhouse gases than all the factories, vehicles, and animals combined. Global warming is a natural cyclic event. We have had many periods of warming and cooling throughout geologic history. According to scientists we have been on this earth as humanity for what? A million years... More??? Less???? It doesn't matter. The earth is 4 billion years old according to the same scientists.
I often wonder, how conceited we as a species have become, to realistically think that my Kia Spectra, is causing any significant damage to anyone? Well.... except for the bugs in the radiator! The earth has over 6 billion people on it, and the same scientists that espouse the Global Warming tripe, also claim that we have caused the extinction of billions of species of animals. Nature herself is a "Dungeon Master" of the game called "Survival of the Fittest". When it is our time, we are going to go... But, earth has shown amazing adaptability. She has gone from a shapeless mass of molten rock, to the wonderous thing we see before us. We aren't going to cause anything that earth cannot correct. Global warming... Happens all the time.
Oh and by the way... The past 10 years, the average temperatures on earth has dropped... Hmmm... Dropping temperatures... hmmm??? Yup, I agree, it sure seems as if the earth is warming...

That was Toba 74,000Bp.

It got rather cold after that one.

Have a nice day: Ag

Adrian Godsafe MSc wrote:

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That was Toba 74,000Bp.
It got rather cold after that one.
Have a nice day: Ag

So, even with your own figure, you admit that with the greenhouse gases spewed forth from a volcano, it became cooler. So, we are contributing to a cooling trend and not a warming one.... Thanks for your assistance with this one. I appreciate it.

The particulates from a volcano cause cooling not the gasses.

Do you ignorant people think that if we keep taking oil from the earth, this wont cause a problem? maybe it was intended to be there for the mantel to work properly and the rotation and ozone to work correctly, maybe there is more to it than you really want to talk about?

dealwithitamerica wrote:

Do you ignorant people think that if we keep taking oil from the earth, this wont cause a problem? maybe it was intended to be there for the mantel to work properly and the rotation and ozone to work correctly, maybe there is more to it than you really want to talk about?

The last 140 years of the industrial revolution says no obviously.

Carl in Murrells Inlet wrote:

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So, even with your own figure, you admit that with the greenhouse gases spewed forth from a volcano, it became cooler. So, we are contributing to a cooling trend and not a warming one.... Thanks for your assistance with this one. I appreciate it.

Volcanic gases are CH4 (stable to 3000K), CO2, H2O (major amount),N2, H2S, SO2, HCl, HF, HBr, and He (with occasional H2).

The cooling was an H2S & SO2 driven H2SO4 veil dense enough to probably block out the sun for a few weeks.

The cooling that followed overwhelmed the CO2 input.

Have a nice day: Ag

Adrian Godsafe MSc wrote:

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Volcanic gases are CH4 (stable to 3000K), CO2, H2O (major amount),N2, H2S, SO2, HCl, HF, HBr, and He (with occasional H2).
The cooling was an H2S & SO2 driven H2SO4 veil dense enough to probably block out the sun for a few weeks.
The cooling that followed overwhelmed the CO2 input.
Have a nice day: Ag

I have a question.

If I remember correctly, I had read that trees absorb the harmful gases affecting the ozone, so if that is true, would mines and loggers re-planting the trees they destroyed help because of the extra absorption of those harmful gases?

Ticked wrote:

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I have a question.
If I remember correctly, I had read that trees absorb the harmful gases affecting the ozone, so if that is true, would mines and loggers re-planting the trees they destroyed help because of the extra absorption of those harmful gases?

Love the avatar pic...

They do.

In most cases mines in particular also drag up fresh rock & are of great interwest to foresters in the fact that as it weathers back down to soil it growes large and very vigorous pioneer trees such as pines & douglas fir to name 2 important ones.
In heavy metal soils, broadleaves tolerant of acid soils such as oak & ash are also capable of growing to a large size very quickly.

Loggers per se which clear fell large areas are better off planting regrowth mud trees because the trees they took out will stunt through lack of soil nutrients if they are replanted in the same spot (all the minerals are in the logs carted offsite).

There is no doubt that trees absorb CO2.(they fix more into lignocellulose {wood} than they excrete through respiration). The ability to absorb gases such as NO2 is variable per tree, some hungry ones with a high N requirement (mostly mud trees such as Tupelo elm & poplar) can do this with ease. Planes are also capable of the same thing. Others will merely keel over & crisp in a smog environment, so the result varies per tree species.

Trees able to deal with Cl and Br gases in smog are beachfront types, again with variable ability.

Planes such as London plane are the star in most smog environs, but Ginkgo and Ailanthus are equally well adapted to city life & are pretty good smog busters. Cupressocyparis X Leylandii planted alone with the lower 2m of branches nipped off the trunk early will also make a superb smog busting conifer with typical flaky cypress bark that mideast origin suburban dwellers will really love (it reminds them of home).

To sum up.

Replantation requires a bit of knowledge about the soil conditions of the location (1/2 of an average tree is underground). If you balls up, the result is a scrub subject to catastrophic fire. Sadly loggers in particular mosly know how to take them down rather than put them back up again.
Leafy suburbia is good for the local environment, in its smog busting & shade abilities on hot sunny days. The greenhouse gas busting is secondary & a useful add on.
The environment in both cases (pioneer reforestation) is the same, and city trees ultimately make bigger logs with wider rings.

Preserving carbon in those cases is merely a case of keeping the bugs & fungi out of the logs that the house & long last furniture are made from. Fixing carbon is done in the live trees before they become logs.

hope it all made sense.

have a nice day: Ag

When are we going to get the poll asking if we think the world is flat?