Ketsana death toll rises to 38 in Vietnam

The last time I checked, new death toll in Vietnam has been updated. It's now 48. The typhoon moved to Laos and Cambodia and created dead scenes there as well. A group of oversea Vietnamese students and alumni is organizing a trip to central Vietnam to bring people donations. I hope I can join them.

linhngo wrote:

The last time I checked, new death toll in Vietnam has been updated. It's now 48. The typhoon moved to Laos and Cambodia and created dead scenes there as well. A group of oversea Vietnamese students and alumni is organizing a trip to central Vietnam to bring people donations. I hope I can join them.

Several group of VK will travel there and kick the VC out. The money recovered will make the poor in VN double their wealth in a flash!
Viet Congs have stolen and robbed more than 900 billions USD during the last 20 years!

VemBaby is CockHolder wrote:

<quoted text>Several group of VK will travel there and kick the VC out. The money recovered will make the poor in VN double their wealth in a flash!
Viet Congs have stolen and robbed more than 900 billions USD during the last 20 years!

That's something you should deal with the local government. Do not put it on the shoulders of the grassroots. They suffered enough. These donations are from the students who studied oversea. Now they come back to the country when Ketsana happened, so they want to help. No political here.

linhngo wrote:

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That's something you should deal with the local government. Do not put it on the shoulders of the grassroots. They suffered enough. These donations are from the students who studied oversea. Now they come back to the country when Ketsana happened, so they want to help. No political here.

yeah, no politics here. Just help the poor who have been robbed by VCs years after years and then continue to lick VC asses.
I do help the poor there but I tell them the reason they are poor is Ho Cho Minh and VCs' wrong doings. Period.

Then go do it. The whole communist party is a scam. However, I agree with you about the communists doesn't necessarily mean I agree with you about HCM. It doesn't necessarily mean I support VNDCCH either. I support multiparty or whatever I think is best for the people.

VemBaby is CockHolder wrote:

<quoted text>yeah, no politics here. Just help the poor who have been robbed by VCs years after years and then continue to lick VC asses.
I do help the poor there but I tell them the reason they are poor is Ho Cho Minh and VCs' wrong doings. Period.

He said, "I only had two nose jobs and a skin draft surgery". Bashir took the "skin draft surgery" off. Besides, even if he did took further surgeries, those surgeries didn't make him a child molester. I think you are confused between the two. Didn't people forget he often got injured on stage? Broke his nose once in 1979 in a dance routine which resulted in the first nose job, got his scalp burnt while doing Pepsi commercial, collapsed on stage in Germany. Why weren't there many journalists write about those injuries? Is it because injuries don't help them sell as much as scandals?

VemBaby is CockHolder wrote:

<quoted text>yeah, no politics here. Just help the poor who have been robbed by VCs years after years and then continue to lick VC asses.
I do help the poor there but I tell them the reason they are poor is Ho Cho Minh and VCs' wrong doings. Period.

Then go do it. The whole communist party is a scam. However, I agree with you about the communists doesn't necessarily mean I agree with you about HCM. It doesn't necessarily mean I support VNDCCH either. I support multiparty or whatever I think is best for the people.

Sorry, previous comment was a copy and paste mistake.

Quang Le wrote:

I agree that Vietnam's communist party is a party of thiefs.
The thiefs have been running around forcing people to sell their lands to the thiefs' relatives and friends at extremely low price and later sold the lands back to corporations or the corrupted government at extremely high prices. Even the former land owners could no longer afford to buy back their lands.
After 34 years of "liberating the South", Vietnam is still one of the poorest countries in the world (ranked 137 out of 194 in Incomer per Capital). Its education is in crisis. Its government is corrupted from top to bottom.
However, Vietnam has come on top when it comes to human rights abuse, oppression of free press, oppression of religious freedom, intolerance for regime criticism, etc.
Is it the so-called "independence, freedom, and happiness" that the goddamn HCM and his party has used as a propaganda when attacking the South?

The bottom line is why didn't the ex-VNCH underlings and their fathers stay and fight for what they want? Their master dumped them and their leaders betrayed them. Their fathers were slaves, lost and ran. Whose fault is it?

They should be ashamed of themselves and apologize for their cowardice, instead of whining and crying like little babies.

It's sad for ignorant and worthless people like this Quang Le. They still don't understand that their master had arranged for the come back for oil in a peaceful Vietnam, with only one military force and without internal wars. Their stupid VNCH was abandoned for that same reason.

VNCH people had been badly deceived, used and abandoned like animals.

They abandoned us. They sold us out. They stabbed us in the back. It is true—they betrayed us. A great ally failed a small ally."
---Nguyen Van Thieu

The sad fact is that the US abandoned the so-called South Vietnam because there was no reason to continue the war anymore. They finished their oil exploration survey there; they completed the testing and the developmet of their new weapons (B-1 bomber, F-111 fighter, 175mm Howitzers canon, M-16 rifle, etc...); and, they used up old weapons stock piled after World War II. The Vietnam war, like most other wars that the US get involved, was a convenient and profitable method of obtaining and utilizing American people's tax money to modernize their weapon systems.

That's why they said "bye, bye" to SVN.

"US weapons sold to human rights violators
The U.S. arms trade is booming -- sales reached $32 billion last year -- and more than half of the purchasers in the developing world are either undemocratic governments or regimes that engaged in human rights abuses, a private think tank reported Wednesday."
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/18251080/detail.ht...

Did we go to war in Vietnam over oil?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_we_go_to_war_in...

COMPANY NEWS; MOBIL TO SIGN VIETNAM OIL EXPLORATION CONTRACT
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...

US Caught In Vietnam Oil Caldron.
http://news.google.com/newspapers...

Black Gold
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtrut...

"But the United States did not keep its word. Is an American's word reliable these days?"
-- Nguyen Van Thieu

"The United States did not keep its promise to help us fight for freedom and it was in the same fight that the United States lost 50,000 of its young men."
-- Nguyen Van Thieu

"You ran away and left us to do the job that you could not do."
-- Nguyen Van Thieu
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/vietnam/TFSF...

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/vietnam/TFSF...

Quang Le wrote:

I agree that Vietnam's communist party is a party of thiefs.
...

Who are the thiefs?

"About 80 percent of Vietnamese students reported that their parents paid none of their tuition.
...
In contrast, many Chinese, Indian and Korean undergraduates reported that they worked to gain job experience or earn spending money."
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/200...
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d07925.pdf
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.ca...

Who cheat?
http://www.vnfa.com/anews/0802_105.html

Who steal?
http://www.nguoi-viet.com/absolutenm/anmviewe...
http://www.vietnhim.com/dongnhim/archive/inde...
http://www.oneviet.com/archives/2007/01/kham_...

"Medicare Fraud. The San Jose Mercury News (November 13, 2004) reported on a Medicare scam that involves busloads of mostly poor immigrant Vietnamese taken from Santa Clara County to Southern California."
www.caltax.org/digest/2005/jan05_fraud_and_wa...

"Do said the entire Vietnamese community had lost face by the public humiliation of arresting doctors and pharmacists in Little Saigon in front of the cameras and accusing them of conspiring to defraud the state Medi-Cal system."
http://www.nguoi-viet.com/absolutenm/anmviewe...

"The wife of Orange County Assemblyman Van Tran, invisible on her husband's campaign website and largely absent from his public appearances, has found herself thrust into the center of his reelection campaign because of a criminal record just now gaining attention.
His wife, Cyndi Nguyen, pleaded no contest to three misdemeanors in 2004 and was sentenced to three years' probation for helping to concoct bogus medical bills at her paralegal office in Sacramento."
http://www.paullucas2008.com/times.asp

"Six O.C. residents suspected in international drug ring"
Friday, December 14, 2007
http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage...

"Prior to 1973, the refugees crammed into South Vietnam’s major cities had largely been able to support themselves by catering to American servicemen. These jobs had gone with the Americans. There was little industry or commerce in South Vietnam to pick up the slack. Military morale began to erode when the government was unable to ensure that the soldiers were paid. A 1974, U.S. study showed that 90% of the ARVN were not receiving enough pay to support their families. Inflation and declining U.S. support accounted for part of this problem, but so did the high level of corruption present in South Vietnamese society. Commanders often took a cut of the payrolls and demanded that the soldiers pay for their rations and ammunition.
...
http://www.angelfire.com/home/sycamorehistory...

Corruptions under Ngo Dinh Diem & Ngo Dinh Nhu - system of extortion, payoffs,...,extortion, bribery, and theft of government property.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/628...

"Thieu elements of the Vietnamese army (ARVN) manage much of the distribution and sale of heroin to GIs inside South Vietnam."
http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,9053...

Ambassador Ellsworth Bunker’s Cable Concerning Corruption in South Vietnam
http://www.ford.utexas.edu/library/exhibits/v...
http://www.ford.utexas.edu/library/exhibits/v...
http://www.ford.utexas.edu/library/exhibits/v...

Dear Viet Kieu,

Some poster in this forum openly expressed his/her desire to be "grateful for the privileges enjoyed by all citizens in the US", to give "thanks to the government and people of the US for letting his/her wretched ass in this country", and not to shame "all Viet Kieu in America which gave us a new life full of freedom that is equal to any other American citizens in this country".

I hereby ask all Viet Kieu in the forum to take a few moments of your time to talk to your family, your relatives, your friends, your neighbors and your Viet Kieu communities to have an honest life and stop cheating and stealing from America, or whatever host country that you live in.

Most citizens of the host countries have to work hard and pay their shares of taxes. Some of this tax money has been used to help you get a new start in form of social assistance. If you keep receiving the assistance in a dishonest way then you actually not only commit crime but also seriously violate human rights of other honest citizens.

Additionally, there are other bad Viet Kieu who conduct illegal or shady businesses. Many cheat taxes. Some cheat and steal from their own Viet Kieu people. These and those bad deeds described above are very bad kinds of corruption. They also undermine the very basic principle of freedom and democracy which is generally based on trust, respect and self-governance. Above all, these types of devious behavior really tarnish the image of all Vietnamese both at home and abroad.

You all know that a dog never bites the hand that feeds it. So, please do not abuse the system that accepts and gives you a second chance at life. Therefore, all of these shameful things have to stop and you are the ones who can help make it happen.

I have heard that some of you used my name to support your call for human rights, freedom and democracy. If you really believe in all of that then you should devote your time and effort in fighting corruptions in your own community. By doing that, you will help keep my name clean and also improve your own image to be that of a good Vietnamese. More importantly, this will ensure a good future for the next Viet Kieu generations. Another far reaching affect of this is to help set good examples for your country folks in Vietnam as well.

Once more, I urge you to get started on this honorable mission as soon as possible.

Sincerely yours,

Le Thi Cong Nhan

dung' vay.
thoi' nat
khon' nan.
day` doa. nhan dan
do' la` lu? khon' nan. nhat' trong lich su~ VN
.
dit me thang Ho va VC khon' nan. an cuop' gie't nguoi luu manh ban' nuoc

http://www.voanews.com/vietnamese/2009-09-14-...

linhngo wrote:

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Then go do it. The whole communist party is a scam. However, I agree with you about the communists doesn't necessarily mean I agree with you about HCM. It doesn't necessarily mean I support VNDCCH either. I support multiparty or whatever I think is best for the people.
Sorry, previous comment was a copy and paste mistake.

Uncle Sam wrote:

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The sad fact is that the US abandoned the so-called South Vietnam because there was no reason to continue the war anymore. They finished their oil exploration survey there; they completed the testing and the developmet of their new weapons (B-1 bomber, F-111 fighter, 175mm Howitzers canon, M-16 rifle, etc...); and, they used up old weapons stock piled after World War II. The Vietnam war, like most other wars that the US get involved, was a convenient and profitable method of obtaining and utilizing American people's tax money to modernize their weapon systems.

The sad fact is that VNCH seemed to think the US would keep their promise while the US government only think of themselves.

I don't like the way the communist leaders are leading the country, i.e by stealing money from the grassroots. I also don't like the way some VNCHs are acting. Is there anybody who are actually concerned about the country and the people and not the benefits for their own political party?

http://www.voanews.com/vietnamese/2009-10-01-...

Uncle Sam wrote:

http://www.topix.com/forum/wor ld/vietnam/TFSFUDD1EUA8TSGBA/p 29
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Who are the thiefs?
"About 80 percent of Vietnamese students reported that their parents paid none of their tuition.

It should be reported as "About 80 percent of Vietnamese parents who have children attending colleges cannot afford college expenses for their children, so these students have to work to pay for college themselves. That's what happening in Vietnam.

linhngo wrote:

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Is there anybody who are actually concerned about the country and the people and not the benefits for their own political party?

You are a good Vietnamese and you may be one of the "nhung tai nang VN...giup cho dan toc thoat khoi cai vong luan quan ngan nam". We need to educate ourselves starting with each one of us and there is no shortcut.

http://www.topix.net/forum/world/vietnam/T765...
http://www.topix.net/forum/world/vietnam/T5OM...

Low dan tri was, has been and will be the main cause for most of the miseries that happen to our country and people.

http://www.lib.washington.edu/SouthEastAsia/v...
"Dan tri rather refers to people's intellectual level, and the emphasis of "intellectual level" in this case, it appears to me, is placed on people's social, political, and public awareness (rather than simply on sheer intellect or knowledge)."

Viet kieu (VK) did not create freedom and democracy in the USA, people before them had to work hard to have all of that available when they came. Living with "Freedom & Democracy" for more than 34 years and now VK have more Mercedes, more Lexus, more BMW and more plastic surgery but no sign of good "dan tri". Some of them are even abusing these things right at this moment by stealing and cheating the system.

Low "dan tri" has been a chronic problem with Viets. Dishonesty and corruption are a few of many bad characters that are in our blood. We should learn to improve ourselves, instead of keep fighting agains each other - mong rang dan VN rang hoc hoi de Dan Tri len cao. It's sad that most of us don't even know what "dan tri" means and rather stay in the dark and refuse to learn.

Without good "dan tri" we won't be strong and we can't create and keep "Freedom & Democracy". Freedom and democracy will come when our people's "dan tri" is high enough to be able to earn and retain them.

There are very good articles about "Thoi hu tat xau cua nguoi Viet" by Vuong Tri Nhan - but some of the links may be temporarily unavailable so keep trying or do more google searchs.

http://www.google.com/search...
http://www.chungta.net/Desktop.aspx/ChungTa-S...

http://www.troinam.net/new_page_19.htm
http://www.troinam.net/16.%20Vuong%20Tri%20Nh...
http://www.troinam.net/16.%20Vuong%20Tri%20Nh...

linhngo wrote:

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It should be reported as "About 80 percent of Vietnamese parents who have children attending colleges cannot afford college expenses for their children, so these students have to work to pay for college themselves. That's what happening in Vietnam.

what????
I was told that education are free under the XHCN system????
are you sure?

one thousand smart and good hearted VNese can not rebuild what one powerful commie rob and steal
too sad there are nearly 1 million bad commies roaming around with powerful powers to steal and rob!

linhngo wrote:

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It should be reported as "About 80 percent of Vietnamese parents who have children attending colleges cannot afford college expenses for their children, so these students have to work to pay for college themselves. That's what happening in Vietnam.

You are mistaken?
I was told that education are free under the XHCN system !!!!

tito wrote:

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You are mistaken?
I was told that education are free under the XHCN system !!!!

Yes education are free under socialism, not like Diem Thieu - exploited and sucked by capitalists...he ha ha ha ho ho ho
It is still free in VN from Kindergarten but no money to pay don't bother to go!
But why go to school?
The party points PA to every house outside of SaiGon and educate them about how great Viet Congs are and your duty is to lick their asses!