May 3, 2008
Majority of Britons are opposed to increases in green taxation
More than seven in 10 voters insist that they would not be willing to pay higher taxes in order to fund projects to combat climate change, according to a new poll.
The survey also reveals that most Britons believe "green" taxes on 4x4s, plastic bags and other consumer goods have been imposed to raise cash rather than change our behaviour, while two-thirds of Britons think the entire green agenda has been hijacked as a ploy to increase taxes.
The findings make depressing reading for green campaigners, who have spent recent months urging the Government to take far more radical action to reduce Britain's carbon footprint.
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2 "Britain appears to be feeling increasingly negative about being more carbon neutral. We are questioning the truth behind being greener and many feel that Government is creating a green fear for monetary gain." The Respected Doofinator |
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2 yes, we have had enough, and the voting in our local elections reflects that. OUT goes marxist castro-loving red ken as mayor of London. THAT will put a stop to any more of his crazy ant-car schemmes. |
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2 Does the Conservative Party have anything encouraging to offer in the arena of climate sanity, or are they just the Labour Party, only not quite so much? The Respected Doofinator |
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2 they are all on the same bandwagon, all parties, but the chances are some , or most , Conservatives do not really believe it, and will ditch the loony theory as soon as they think the public is not having it. The real danger is the true believers in Labour and the Lib Dems. Chances are that the more absurd anti-car measures in London will not happen now, and that some may actually go. PS - Gordon Brown has no driving license, neither has Ex-Mayor Ken. They don't mind using chauffeur-driven cars, though. |
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2 Well, if all your politicians move their lips to make climate quack noises, have any of them deplored Britain's evil profiteering from North Sea petroleum? Or, are they only taking the "good" petroleum and leaving the "bad" petroleum for the Norwegians? The Respected Doofinator |
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2 That is all a bit more complicated. My opinion is that some liberals are guilty about having oil - it means that they cannot feel sorry for the exploited natives, like they usually are. But they would complain if the New Jerusalem suddenly appeared here tomorrow. Oil is very complicated due to Scottish nationalism. But, in the end, who PAID to actually get the oil out, and who really dug the wells? the oil companies, as usual. All we would like is some CHEAP PETROL.(actually , ours is very cheap - TAX puts it up to £5 an Imp. Gallon.) |
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2 No, it is not. Labour is the party pushing Green Taxes all the time. A big swing to the right in local elections and this poll shows we are sick of being taxed for a baseless fantasy of Al Gore. Get your facts right first. |
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1 What facts? You are making claims based on your own delusions. Or are you such an accomplished 'mind reader'? And GW is real. Most people in the U.K. seem to recognise it. The costs of the war are far in excess of the costs of green initiatives. The use of it as the 'issue' is because it is safer and less danger than speaking out against war. |
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1 Nonsense. The "costs of green inititatives" are completely unspecified and open ended. The public is never offered a "cost-benefit" trade-off. "Green policies" are something everyone has to pay for, no matter what the cost, or we will all die. David Stern says the cost of global warming is five percent of the world's gross economic product, or maybe even more. Real wars are cheap by comparison. The Respected Doofinator |
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Oregon is going down the same road as Britain. They mandated that all gasoline be mixed with ethonol (20%). The FAA issued an edict that no ethanol fuel can be used to fuel airplanes. Why? Because that fuel causes the engine to seize up during flight and the pilots and passengers don't seem to survive the landing.
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AGW is not real. Most people in the UK have been "snookered" just like those in Canada. So you are now an expert in Uk politics as well as US politics? And all the while hiding up in "Northern Maine"... |
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People are aware of GW You don't hear very many people denying it exist except daily mail readers and they are all mad anyway, people just don't want to pay to do anything about it. Very few people I talk to have a strong opinion on the subject. Bread and butter issues are what people are concerned with, Iraq is old news. My 2p with petrol prices going up at the rate they are people are going to have to adjust tax or no tax. And I hear you have it worse over there with the dollar reverting to its true value.
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Almost all of the people on this, the largest forum on the net, DO NOT believe that the theory is legitimate. |
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1 I'm unsure whether you are insulting the group by pointing out how stupid most of them are or using 'argument by popularity' as logical fallacy. |
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1 NOT THAT YOU WILL READ THIS ANYWAY. 'argument by popularity' is all your theory of global warming has to stand on, in media that is. An important point because now days media is a cultural illusion. People freely debating with out media spin show the real numbers. The populous for the most part didn't fall for it in the first place. This forum has become an intervention point to convert GWrs to deniers and relieve them of all the anxiety they possess so needlessly. Some stay (very very few) but most leave because the theory can’t be proved on an intelligent level. It is entirely based on dogma and simple almost caveman like correlation. Some logon with new names but at least a seed of doubt has been planted. Planted in these gullible minds that ignore every day weather and believe politicians, consultants and corporate media like mindless lemmings. We hope that seed grows because the only way to become a denier is to be a believer first. We know both sides and it is uncomfortable at first when that seed of doubt starts to sprout. And stop scarring the crap out kids with the doomsday crap. |
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1 I have no respect for popular media. Global warming stands on its SCIENTIFIC merit. And that is what I will point to. Those who keep pointing to endless 'opinion pieces' trying to claim that the stream of bullshit means something are the ones that depend on 'popular media' and its distortions. |
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2 Well then, why won't Al Gore or any of his scientist butt limpets actually DEBATE the science of "human caused global warming"? George Noory of the late night Coast To Coast AM radio program (highest rated late night radio program), has an OPEN INVITATION for any pro-global warming spokesman (scientist or other) to appear on his program and debate any number of warming skeptics. THERE ARE NO warming quack takers. The warming quack party line is that "there is no scientific debate", and the "science is settled". Warming quacks won't even debate the proposition of whether or not science is ever settled. Science that is settled is no longer science, it's religion. The Respected Doofinator |
I did read it, its not an argument its drivel. Are you trying to convince me or convince yourself? I would be convinced by logical arguments based on real world facts. You seem to be attempting to argue based on rhetoric alone, poor rhetoric at that, sorry mate you need to do better. |
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2 it is rather confused thinking to get the war and global warming muddled up together. They are different issues. My post quoted a poll, which shows that people are not willing to pay extra taxes for "AGW". It also showed that you are wrong , and 2 out of 3 people think the idea that GW is caused by is is NOT TRUE . Read the article I posted, and if you have problem with the UK and Iraq, go to the UK forum. It is easy and safe to speak out against almost anything in Britain (except islamic immigration) because we are still a free country. And we are fed up with paying extra taxes for Gore's fantasy . |
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