Trayvon Martin Shooting Shows Perils of Lax U.S. Gun Laws

Dan wrote:

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Riiight.
The rest of my bullshit.
We don't want to think of Trayvon as being anything but a stone cold killer.
You simpleton moron. You couldn't be a detective if your life depended on it. Murderers would walk free because all they'd have to do is advise your sorry ass is they were "ATTACKED" unprovoked and felt a need to defend themslves.
LOL!!!!

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Armed Veteran wrote:

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So you are saying that Zimmerman is fully responsible for his actions (which I agree with), but Martin is NOT responsible for his??? And exactly how is following a supicious person to find out where they went equivalent to "poking a tiger with a stick"? Sounds more to me that Martin bit off more than he could chew, and it cost him his life.

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RuffnReddy wrote:

<quoted text>The real detective in this case, Chris Serino was preparing to book George for manslaughter, we have learned that George's best friend who was at the scene within minutes was also tight with Chief Billy Lee.
Recall the earlier "squeaky clean" conversations regarding why George wasn't asked to submit to drug screening and why SPD never did a background on George. Initially the excuse was that the computers were down...all of them LMAO.
If Chris Serino takes the stand and testifies that Osterman influenced Chief Lee regarding George's disposition that evening, it's all over with.
It has become clear why Lee was tossed and the SA stepped down.

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Aquarius-WY wrote:

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I have been a "regular" poster here and have read this entire thread for many months Einstein.
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Armed Veteran wrote:

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Sounds more to me that Martin bit off more than he could chew, and it cost him his life.

Dan wrote:

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George got off easy that night all the way around.
And thanks for the above info. All this is going to come out in court...not just some pudgy losers testimony about his fractured nose and head scrapes.

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One - those injuries were not life threatening in my opinion.

Dan wrote:

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Two - I don't think a kid like Trayvon had murder on his mind if it took place like Zimmerman claimed, but was working on giving George the ass kicking he'd been begging for and would not have killed George.

Dan wrote:

<quoted text>Three - Zimmerman was a grown man while Trayvon was still a teenager trying to sort life out. This applies given if you scare a kid bad enough they have a right to defend themselves.

Dan wrote:

<quoted text>Zimmerman should have not expected a bouquet of roses and to think you can dick with someone because you have a gun so if things don't work out like you planned you can use it should be viewed as a crime.

Dan wrote:

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Martin is responsible for his actions.
But rwemember....the only version we're getting is Zimmerman's.

Dan wrote:

<quoted text>I cast a long shadow of doubt on him given his character.

Dan wrote:

<quoted text>He thinks of himself as some little righteous ass who was upholding some lost "duty" in watching over his neighborhood. No doubt he can skew the actual events in his mind to fit his belief in himself.
I don't fully buy Trayvon just came out and attacked Zimmerman for one. And if he did there was reason. The most likely reason I can see is one of self defense.
So now why do we condemn one persons act of self defense and applaud anothers?

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And your "opinion" couldn't be more wrong. MANY people have died from blunt force trauma to the back of the head. Many have died simply from slipping on wet concrete and hitting their head. There was a case recently where an elderly woman was facing charges because she pushed her elderly neighbor who subsequently fell, hit her head, and died. Martin was forcefully pounding Zimmerman's head into the concrete sidewalk which would indeed put his life at risk.
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Regardless of the fact that Martin maybe wasn't trying to kill Zimmerman, his attack put Zimmerman's life in danger and he reacted to that threat. And what did Zimmerman do which would warrant an ass-kicking?? Had he threatened Martin in any way physically or made any verbal threats? Zimmerman asked him a question, "What are you doing here?" And how many times does a head have to be pounded in to the sidewalk in order to kill someone??? Give us your expert opinion on this, since you seem to KNOW.
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So because Martin was "still trying to sort out life" he should get a pass for attacking a man and beating his head in the ground??? Where do you come up with this bullshit?? If Zimmerman did not have his gun, Martin would be looking at malicious wounding charges, or maybe even murder charges himself if his attack had been allowed to continue.
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It was perfectly LEGAL for Zimmerman to be armed that night. It was LEGAL for him to follow a suspicious character in his neighborhood (not wise, but not illegal). He broke no laws by asking Martin what he was doing there, which was AFTER Martin asked him why he being followed. Martin didn't have to like it, but it gave him no just cause for giving Zimmerman "an ass-kicking", which IS an illegal act.
Mistakes were made by Zimmerman. Mistakes were made by Martin. It just happens that Martin's cost him his "No Limit" life.

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Armed Veteran wrote:

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Rule #1 in a self-defense scenario.....make sure it is your side that gets to be heard.
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Yet you completely dismiss Martin's character. Why is that??
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And what threat was he defending himself from? You have yet to post ANY evidence that Zimmerman ever put Martin's life in danger. You DO NOT have the right to attack someone simply for getting pissed off or annoyed. I know plenty of people who could use a good ass-kicking on a daily basis. Does that give me the right to do it? Of course not.

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RuffnReddy wrote:

<quoted text>It could get hairy, it's likely that George was on his cell phone with his buddy when SPD arrived and it's possible that it was his buddy who had the good sense to take all those photo's of George at the scene. Osterman has pretty much admitted that he helped steer George through some of the early legal hoops.

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Is there no possibility in your limited mind Trayvon might have been defending himself?
Martin's character??? ROFL!!!
---Was he a stone cold killer with bodies buried in his backyard.
You're laughable. Martin never demonstrated a history of violence friend. He wasn't getting kicked out of school for fist fights idiot.
Evidence? FDollowing a kid around at night like a creep wouldn't be percieved as a threat to that kid??
What are you??? Some leftover pedophile????

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Tray wrote:

<quoted text> It's possible but with no proof of that then it don't exist in the eye's of the law. His mother had a problem with his character, so much so she put this "child trying to find his way" on the road. Do you know Trayvon's history? Being a minor any history he had was most likely sealed. Following a kid around like a concerned neighbor IS what he was, the creep thing is your words. Following can be perceived as a threat but in the eyes of the law a little more is required before self defense apply.

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Let's see.
For one you're as ignorant to rely on Zimmerman's account without question.
Unfortunately for you and Zimmerman people are going to question Zimmerman's account of events.
As far as his injuries we'll see if you and drama queen Zimmerman can make one episode of this event overshadow the rest and give enough credence his injuries are proof Trayvon had his life in danger.
The fact it was legal for Zimmerman to be armed that night means jackshit. It never bought him a pass to behave like a stalker.
It would be legal for you to follow around 6 year old girls in the supermarket too but I bet the cop would give their dads a pass after they force fed you 3 boxes of Cheerios in aisle 9.
A "suspicious character" was in George's MIND dumbass. Trayvon wasn't doing anything but going home dumbfuck.
You stupid sheep. If Zimmerman claims something else in court are you going to buy that too without question?
LOL!!!
As far as your closing mind George was the one who pushed this into being. He is the responsible party. Trayvon wasn't walking home that night wondering who to get in a tussle with.
And you forgot something....IF you want to believe Zimmerman's bullshit story without question...what would have been the motivation for a 17 year old kid to 'attack' George that night?
See...these kind of things are going to be brough up no matter how many copies they make of Zimmermans melon.
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Dan wrote:

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"The road"....LOL!!!!
She sent him to live with his father for awhile.
Geeezus...you people are full of more drama than a housewife running out of dishwashing soap.
Let's see how well your bullshit stance holds up on court genius.

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Tray wrote:

<quoted text> Sense we are playing games. Trayvons father askes a neighbor to keep an eye on his son who had been causing some discipline problems lately. The neighbor follows Trayvon as a favor to the father. Being spotted by the young man the neighbor decides to try to talk to the young man and bestow some elder advice on the dangers of becoming a thug. The young man does not wait for this conversation but just attacks the neighbor and not knowing the neighbor has a heart condition causes the death of the neighbor. What would the law say about this situation? What would Trayvons father say? What would the neighbors wife and children say? The night in question did Trayvon know who George was? Situations like this is why the law requires more than following as a reason to attack someone. The cops would also give the guy following in the supermarket a pass when he pulled his .357 and blew away these attackers who he did not know and risked his life or great bodily harm for no reason under the law.

Tray wrote:

<quoted text> Umm his father didn't have a home, it was his girlfriends place remember. Who by the way has been very silent about this situation. Seems she too would want to be public about such a good boy and trashing George. Hmmm.

Tray wrote:

<quoted text> It's possible Trayvon attacked George for no reason and died from that action.

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She sent him to live with his father for awhile.= Kicked out of his home.