Trayvon Martin Shooting Shows Perils of Lax U.S. Gun Laws

Mar 20, 2012 Full story: Bloomberg 9,570

The Justice Department opened an investigation this week into the killing of Trayvon Martin, a 17-year-old high school student who was shot dead on Feb.

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“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#3935 Jun 1, 2012
swampmudd wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't say main stream Media. I said Con Media. How have they spun it? They have smearded everybody involved. That is what they do. That is all they do. Drag people through the dirt. Even the crap about main street media spining the case is pure Rat Wing spin.
Of course you didn’t say mainstream media. You rely on the fringe to support your claim. That’s dishonest.

Mainstream liberal media absolutely spun this story. Because a few web sites have done what you claim you accuse conservative media of bias. Name a single main stream conservative media outlet which has done what the mainstream liberal media has done as related to this case. Bet you can’t.

Pure crap the liberal media spun the story?
NBC
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/201...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/trayvon-marti...
CNN
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/201...

How many mainstream liberal news sources used the word murderer associated with this story? How many claimed Zimmerman shot Martin because he was black? How many claimed Zimmerman hunted down Martin? How many published doctored photographs?

Worst of all, how many convicted Zimmerman before the trial began and without much evidence?

Continue to lap up the liberal lies.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#3936 Jun 1, 2012
RuffnReddy wrote:
<quoted text>Prove profiling? You're a freaking riot pal.
Pop back up to the post before yours and see what your hero Tray had to say in his first sentence.
Yes, prove it. You’re assuming it was profiling. Got evidence?

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#3937 Jun 1, 2012
menards wrote:
<quoted text>
Martin was young and black. Zimmermans comments to the 911 dispatcher dont help him. "These Assholes", "F'n coon's" (still sounds like coons to me, def wasnt punks. it was too warm that day to be "cold", plus Zimmerman isnt going to be all pissed off about the "asshole" that is "getting away" and then all of a sudden randomly comment on the weather) Zimmerman decided to hunt him down because he was young and black. Zimmerman incited an altercation because Martin was young and black. Sounds a lot like profiling to me? But Zimmerman is 1/8 black, so I guess its not racist when a black incites another black to fight right?
So what Martin was young and black. Does that mean every young black male shot is because of profiling?

You choose to hear “f’n coons” because it supports your belief. The experts disagree with you.

Zimmerman decided to hunt down Martin? Right, he lost Martin as indicated by the 911 call. He’s some kind of hunter. Be vewy qwiet I’m hunting wabbit. Fool.

If I’m hunting a target I would pop it from a distance. Have you ever been hunting?

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#3938 Jun 1, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>I lived outside DC for forty years and most of the time the city was 90 percent black but the majority of the blacks I worked with or would encounter were very nice people.
Their is a serous problem with black on black crime in DC but one of the biggest problems is a lack of shooting skill where innocent blacks in no way connected with the confrontation taking place gets killed.
There are black thugs in DC who do not care where the bullets fly
and they hit moms , school kids and just people doing regular activities and they are a menace to their own neighborhoods.
How does a decent , honest black family raise kids in this environment ?
Some black kids get beat up for carrying a book bag to school and trying to learn with black kids coming down on them for acting "White".
These are serious problems and diverting attention away from them by talking about "trailer parks" and calling people "Kracker" is not providing solutions or helping the situation.
Yea, that’s clear by the way some of the thugs shoot by holding the pistol sideways. They’re styling. Atlanta has a similar problem with innocents killed by stray bullets.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#3939 Jun 1, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>Lets count the buzz words you throw out without any reason.
1) Hypoccritical
2)cowardly
3)Republicon
4)Lunatics
There is no basis for any of these words.
Not one single post of mine reflects this paranoid thinking of yours .
You came to Topix with an agenda and it is not working out and you say "I know I am correct".
That is because you had your mind made up before you did your first post so you are just repeating what is spinning in your mind.
There is no learning , only old worn out dogma you cling to.
Your a sad case but I have a song for you to agree with yourself in a soothing zen way , that should comfort your paranoid rants.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =79NiN7ISW7EXX
Look up your own posts and see how easy it is to label your rantings as above.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#3940 Jun 1, 2012
Provocateur wrote:
George Zimmerman profiled, stalked, chased, confronted and killed the unarmed Martin. If anyone was Standing Their Ground it was Trayvon Martin.
According to NBC's Nightly News, Zimmerman had a run-in with police years before shooting Martin more than a month ago. The Florida native was arrested in Orlando in 2005 for "obstructing justice" and "resisting an officer with violence" during an alcohol-control arrest at a college bar. Zimmerman's actions resulted in a misdemeanor charge and court-ordered anger-management classes.
The ex-fiancé also reported that Zimmerman had "open handed smacked" her in the mouth in 2003, and had groped her sexually against her wishes in 2002.
The woman reported that Zimmerman had appeared at her home and  became upset, grabbed her cell phone and shoved her. A "pushing match" ensued, the ex-fiancé said, during which her dog bit Zimmerman on the cheek.
Zimmerman filed his own petition the day after his ex, in which he claimed that she was the aggressor in the fight.
So, Zimmerman has instigated fights before where he accused the victim of being the aggressor. Again, this is the exact same modus operandi he's using in the Trayvon Martin killing.
(CBS) SANFORD, Fla.- The voice heard calling for help on a 911 call just before Trayvon Martin was fatally shot was not that of George Zimmerman, two forensic voice identification experts told MSNBC on Sunday.
"The tests concluded that it's not the voice of Mr. Zimmerman," Tom Owen, of Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence said.
When asked if he thought such tests would be admissible in court, Owen said "yes" and noted he had recently used similar testing at a murder trial that involved a 911 call.
How many convictions?

Are you one that believes everyone arrested is guilty? We could save a lot of tax dollars by discarding our entire legal system. No more judges, no juries, no lawyers, just lots of prisons.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#3941 Jun 1, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
<quoted text>
Yea, that’s clear by the way some of the thugs shoot by holding the pistol sideways. They’re styling. Atlanta has a similar problem with innocents killed by stray bullets.
"The man had been banned from the artsy cafe for acting out, but that didn't stop him from walking in, taking a seat at the bar and trying to place an order. After the barista declined to serve him, he stood up, took out a gun and shot the man next to him.

Then he worked his way up the bar, calmly taking life after life from the people seated there or scrambling for cover. One man tried to stop him.

Grabbing the only weapons at hand -- bar stools -- he tossed them at the gunman, even as the man aimed at him, Seattle Assistant Police Chief Jim Pugel said Thursday after reviewing harrowing surveillance video of the massacre. The tactic created enough of a delay in the shooting that two or three other customers were able to bolt out the door to safety.

...By the time Ian Lee Stawicki's rampage was over, five people had been shot in Cafe Racer -- four fatally, including two musicians who frequently played there.

The gunman put his two .45-caliber handguns in his pocket, then bent down, picked a bowler-style hat off the head of one of his dead victims, placed it on his own head and walked out.

He fled first to downtown Seattle, where he shot a woman to death while stealing her black Mercedes sports-utility vehicle, then drove it to West Seattle, where he met up with an old friend who had no idea what he'd done, police said."

boston.com

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#3942 Jun 1, 2012
menards wrote:
Who has read Zimmermans Neighborhood Watch Newsletter? It illustrates a extremely paranoid individual. From the newsletter, Zimmerman defines a "suspicious individual" as one who wears, "caps, bandanas, hoodies, baggy clothing, or other gang-related apparal" and if any individual is seen walking the neighborhood to call 911 immediately as the "individual is likely casing homes looking for easy target to rob" Seriously? Even more chilling, Zimmermans published segment on listening for "suspicious sounds" (keep in mind this was published before the shooting) and comparing that with accounts of that night. It appears that zimmerman laid out a road map for himself to murder a kid.
Have a link to the newsletter?

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#3943 Jun 1, 2012
Provocateur wrote:
Background on Florida concealed weapon law: http://johnbenneth.wordpress.com/2012/03/25/t...
 Florida requires a history of violence report for carry permit that would have included a violent brush with the cops.
A domestic violence charge is all it takes for the law or the cops to demand surrender of your guns. Did Zimmerman have a concealed weapons permit in 2005, and if he did, was he required to turn in his pistol and any other guns he had? Or did he get yet another pass on that one to go along side his get out of jail free card.
Then there’s the concealed weapons permit questionnaire. Did Zimmerman fill one of these out? Here’s some of the questions:
“Have you had adjudication of guilt withheld on any felony?” That could be a yes. I presume attacking a cop is a felony. But conviction was withheld when he entered a pretrial diversion program.
“Have you received a suspended sentence on any felony?” That could also be a yes.
Why isn’t anyone demanding that Zimmerman turn over his guns?
Yes, they may seize the guns temporarily based on the charge alone. However, they must be returned if there’s no conviction.

You are being dishonest on this. Zimmerman wasn’t charged with domestic violence. Mutual restraining orders were issued.

Currently Zimmerman may not be in possession of a firearm as part of his bond agreement. Why would anyone demand Zimmerman turn over his gun? The police already have it.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#3944 Jun 1, 2012
"Yesterday afternoon, around the time that presumed mass-shooter Ian Stawicki was being rushed to Harborview with a self-inflicted gunshot wound, reporters across Seattle were busy compiling the barest outlines of his character.

Today, the City Attorney's office released its limited rap sheet on Stawicki, which details his concealed weapons permits, details the six firearms—three of them 45-caliber and three of them 9 millimeter—he was known to have registered, and confirms his arrest carrying a switchblade in 2009 and another arrest for domestic violence in 2008. "
Wade

United States

#3945 Jun 1, 2012
Provocateur wrote:
Background on Florida concealed weapon law: http://johnbenneth.wordpress.com/2012/03/25/t...
Florida requires a history of violence report for carry permit that would have included a violent brush with the cops.
A domestic violence charge is all it takes for the law or the cops to demand surrender of your guns. Did Zimmerman have a concealed weapons permit in 2005, and if he did, was he required to turn in his pistol and any other guns he had? Or did he get yet another pass on that one to go along side his get out of jail free card.
Then thereÂ’s the concealed weapons permit questionnaire. Did Zimmerman fill one of these out? HereÂ’s some of the questions:
“Have you had adjudication of guilt withheld on any felony?” That could be a yes. I presume attacking a cop is a felony. But conviction was withheld when he entered a pretrial diversion program.
“Have you received a suspended sentence on any felony?” That could also be a yes.
Why isnÂ’t anyone demanding that Zimmerman turn over his guns?
Wow, another link that we are supposed to just eat up like it's the gospel.
Your link is filled with half truths, implied conclusions, untruths, and no cited references to add any validity to the obviously biased article.
And to answer your question, because Zimmerman has to first be convicted of a felony before he no longer has a right to possess firearms.
Wade

United States

#3946 Jun 1, 2012
OregonSUX wrote:
"Yesterday afternoon, around the time that presumed mass-shooter Ian Stawicki was being rushed to Harborview with a self-inflicted gunshot wound, reporters across Seattle were busy compiling the barest outlines of his character.

Today, the City Attorney's office released its limited rap sheet on Stawicki, which details his concealed weapons permits, details the six firearms—three of them 45-caliber and three of them 9 millimeter—he was known to have registered, and confirms his arrest carrying a switchblade in 2009 and another arrest for domestic violence in 2008. "
And two more articles you think make your point. The problem with that is: Seattle has some of the most liberal minded laws and strictest gun laws in the country, so you are actually making our point for us.
Compare crime rates in Seattle WA vs. crime rates in Kennesaw GA.
Enough said.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#3947 Jun 1, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
<quoted text>
Have a link to the newsletter?
Google is your friend. All of them have been made public and are published on various sites

“always”

Since: May 12

Ticklaw

#3948 Jun 1, 2012
Orlando Sentinel reports this morning that attorney Don West a murder specialist has joined Zimmerman's
defense team. In a related article some of the types of evidence both sides are trying to have Judge Lester seal is outlined and includes George Zimmerman's cell phone records. Hmmm!

Since: May 08

Deltona Fla

#3949 Jun 1, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Look up "observe and report".
Frank Luntz, is that you? Maybe Zimmerman was really near sighted and needed to be within arms length in order to observe.

“Facts exist, even when ignored”

Since: Feb 07

Somewhere in Indiana

#3950 Jun 1, 2012
OregonSUX wrote:
"Yesterday afternoon, around the time that presumed mass-shooter Ian Stawicki was being rushed to Harborview with a self-inflicted gunshot wound, reporters across Seattle were busy compiling the barest outlines of his character.
Today, the City Attorney's office released its limited rap sheet on Stawicki, which details his concealed weapons permits, details the six firearms—three of them 45-caliber and three of them 9 millimeter—he was known to have registered, and confirms his arrest carrying a switchblade in 2009 and another arrest for domestic violence in 2008. "
He had a permit, so what? That still makes him part of the less than 1% of Permit holders that commit gun related homicide. Why aren't you more worried about the other 99%?

A) his permit should have been revoked with his violent history, it wasn't..
B) Even so, revoking his permit wouldn't have stopped him from committing this heinous act. If he was willing to KILL do you think he would have even blinked at breaking a carry law??

“FEED THE DEAD FETUS”

Since: Jan 11

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#3951 Jun 1, 2012
OregonSUX wrote:
"Yesterday afternoon, around the time that presumed mass-shooter Ian Stawicki was being rushed to Harborview with a self-inflicted gunshot wound, reporters across Seattle were busy compiling the barest outlines of his character.
Today, the City Attorney's office released its limited rap sheet on Stawicki, which details his concealed weapons permits, details the six firearms—three of them 45-caliber and three of them 9 millimeter—he was known to have registered, and confirms his arrest carrying a switchblade in 2009 and another arrest for domestic violence in 2008. "
Another leftist,anti-American pile who actually thinks that lack of a permit would stop someone from carrying a gun if they wanted to carry one.

Gang members don't have permits.
They don't even obtain their guns legally.

Stop the whining!

Since: Apr 12

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#3952 Jun 1, 2012
Wade wrote:
<quoted text>
And two more articles you think make your point. The problem with that is: Seattle has some of the most liberal minded laws and strictest gun laws in the country, so you are actually making our point for us.
Compare crime rates in Seattle WA vs. crime rates in Kennesaw GA.
Enough said.
This is making news in Seattle because it is unusual. You racists fail to note that this is a white man shooting up the joint. Why aren't you calling him a thug.

"Today, the City Attorney's office released its limited rap sheet on Stawicki, which details his concealed weapons permits, details the six firearms—three of them 45-caliber and three of them 9 millimeter—he was known to have registered, and confirms his arrest carrying a switchblade in 2009 and another arrest for domestic violence in 2008. "

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#3953 Jun 1, 2012
BRONACH wrote:
<quoted text>
Another leftist,anti-American pile who actually thinks that lack of a permit would stop someone from carrying a gun if they wanted to carry one.
Gang members don't have permits.
They don't even obtain their guns legally.
Stop the whining!
You racists and anti-American fascists fail to comprehend the point that there are many on-the-edge nuts with carry permits. Are you one? You sound very angry and off-kilter all the time.

“always”

Since: May 12

Ticklaw

#3954 Jun 1, 2012
Angela Corey has filed a motion to revoke George Zimmerman's bond.

Beyond the controversy about the pay pal money there are are other discrepancies in some of George's bond hearing statements as expressed by his attorney. It has been learned that George may have a second passport.

As an aside it was recently stated by Zimmerman's attorney that George's new defense website has been averaging about $1,000 per day in donations.

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