Why the tar sands are destructive for Canada: 'Ethical oil' and other resourceful fantasies

I have never seen any "TAR"...come out of the ground in FT MAC but lots of {oily sand} "BITCHEMAN".... hence the name "OIL SANDS YOU JACK ASS".....no "TAR" just lots of "OIL"...maybe you should pull your head out of your ass and relise how many people work up there and keep this country running...If it wasn't for Alberta energy this country would be in worce shape then the U.S.A...and oh would'nt that be fun....but I guess in your world we can all sit around 'smoke dope' and sing cum-by-ah---...

You must be a LIBERALL from Ontario....go home we dont like you and sure as hell dont need you out here we have enough of you eastern jack ass's out here....by by....

Traveller wrote:

I have never seen any "TAR"...come out of the ground in FT MAC but lots of {oily sand} "BITCHEMAN".... hence the name "OIL SANDS YOU JACK ASS".....no "TAR" just lots of "OIL"...maybe you should pull your head out of your ass and relise how many people work up there and keep this country running...If it wasn't for Alberta energy this country would be in worce shape then the U.S.A...and oh would'nt that be fun....but I guess in your world we can all sit around 'smoke dope' and sing cum-by-ah---...

That is all you came away with from reading this article; TAR SANDS/OIL SANDS?

Why is there even an internal debate about this within the country? The fact that anti-progress American and European envirofascists do not approve of the oil sands does not change the reality of the situation. The reality of the situation is that traditional (ie, cheap and easy) oil sources are running out. Conventional oil is past its peak, OPEC is hiding this to keep quotas high and everyone knows it. SOMEONE has to produce this supposedly "dirty" oil to fuel the world economy--why the FUCK would put our heads down and pass this role to Venezuela or Russia!?!?! Reactionary envirofascist ideals on global warming are noble but they do not change the fact that SOMEONE will produce this dirty oil. Selling our oil gives us a chance to increase employment, increase median income, expand the welfare state while reducing personal taxation, and, critically, leverage unbelievable economic influence over the United States and China.

Yes, global warming is happening and we've released massive and unnatural amounts of CO2 in to the atmosphere. Yes, in tens of thousand years or so we'll be totally cooked if we don't do something about CO2 levels. What you envirofascists need to understand is that the solution to this problem is not immediately freak out and break our economy's legs with a baseball bat. If we do that we're still going to cook, we're just going to be a lot more helpless while it's happening. We will adapt, we will develop the necessary technologies to combat it. We will probably develop those technologies--technologies to massively manipulate global CO2 levels--within the next 20 years, while the CO2 apocalypse envirofascists have been preaching will take thousands of years at best to exterminate us. There is an enormous gap between what envirofascists FANTASIZE is going to happen and what is ACTUALLY going to happen.

It's very exciting to think that Fort McMurray's oil could somehow bring about our extinction, it's a very good story and would make a good movie or something. But it's not reality. The reality is that denying ourselves the economic and geopolitical benefit of this honeypot would be gigantic, embarrassing blunder that we could never forgive ourselves for.

There are benefits derived from the oil sands and at the same time there are negative effects associated with oil extraction. It is a 50:50 situation. by www.africvillemagazine.com editor

..YES....Me ''one'' Vote is a .....YES.... to the romantic Alberta Oil and Gas Industry...on ''all'' levels,tttoooooooooooooooo booooooooooooooooot.....the hillbilly FARMBoy has spoken.....yodeling.....eh...y ada u u .

COMMON SENSE SAYS THE COLDEST STATES NEED THEIR OIL
FOR HEATING AGAINST SNOW / DEATH IN WINTER!

THE COLDEST STATES SHOULD HAVE FIRST CHOICE
OF HOW MUCH TO PUMP, HOW MUCH TO KEEP!
NORTHERN STATES HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES!
THEIR LIVES & FUTURES DEPEND ON IT!

WARM/HOT STATES CAN GROW PEANUTS FOR FUEL -
FORD MOTORS ENGINES WERE DESIGNED TO RUN ON PEANUT OIL,
'TILL PA.OIL TYCOONS PRESSURED HIM TO USE FOSSIL FUEL!

OIL IS NON-RENEWABLE - ONCE IT'S GONE,- IT'S GONE!

FROM MEMORY:

Only 10% of Oil Income goes to TX/LA citizens,
from the 90 miles of Refineries/Tanks/Ports
in Gulf of Mexico!

TX & LA are among highest Poverty/Uneducated in US!
The Oil Industry does not solve Poverty in TX/LA!

TX & LA ships are loaded w/Oil-Gas -
the ships float at sea until their 'loads of Fuel'
are sold to the highest bidding Country!

OUR OIL RESOURCES GO TO THE HIGHEST BIDDING
COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD!

OIL CORPORAIONS HAVE NO LOYALTY TO AMERICANS!

THUS, PUBLIC LANDS NEVER SHOULD BE DRILLED FOR OIL-
AMERICAN TAXPAYERS OWN/PAY' FOR THAT LAND!
ITS RESOURCES SHOULD BE USED ONLY IN AMERICA!

Nevada allows gold mining by Corporations -
No $money$ goes to the State of Nevada's Citizens!
Gold is Non-Renewable -
Nevada is cheating its Citizens/Taxpayers!

KUDOS TO THE NATIVE INDIANS IN NO. AMERICA/CANADA!

THEY ARE SOVEREIGN / FEDERAL STATUS!

THEY DO NOT HAVE TO BOW DOWN TO STATE/CORPS!

Double standards -

While Americans and Holywood are attacking Canada's oil sands industry, they decided increase shale oil development recently.

Shale oil is not better Alberta oil sands in any way. Both use similar technologies.

Go ahead and protest the Keystone XL pipeline. All that means is even MORE oil will be heading south BY TRAIN, a form of oil transport that even the American Railroad Associaiton claimed was far riskier than a pipeline.
All the while those diesel trains will be pumping out cancer causing, global warming clag.

Yep, the Injuns and enviro-"geniuses" really thought this one through.

The article is from rabble.ca

A website for the looney left.

Whisgean Zoda wrote:

Go ahead and protest the Keystone XL pipeline. All that means is even MORE oil will be heading south BY TRAIN, a form of oil transport that even the American Railroad Associaiton claimed was far riskier than a pipeline.
All the while those diesel trains will be pumping out cancer causing, global warming clag.
Yep, the Injuns and enviro-"geniuses" really thought this one through.

You missed the Points:

Tribes/Public Lands should have control of the Resources on those Lands!
Usually those Lands are Underfunded -
the Oil/Minerals are much-needed sources of income for their Survival!

If Tribes/Public Lands are forced to be involved w/the Pipeline,
their Legal Liability is huge!
Any serious Lawsuits would Bankrupt the Tribes & Public Land involved!

The only 'survivors' would be the mega-rich-Corporations/Lawyers !

The 'losers' would be American Public/American Indians/Taxpayers/
nature/wildlife/future generations of children born defective-
cancers-lifetime of medical diseases!

If the Pipeline goes thru,
it will make a few extremely rich,
the dangerous work will cost human lives,
the leaks will risk important public underground water reservoirs,
the real danger of Terrorism/Criminals blowing up the Pipeline!

Texas has oil/sand deposits in Texas-they can dig up Texas!

Texas is Oil Greedy - Corrupt - Anti-US Govt.,
since before LBJ/Kennedy Assassination/
TX-Cuba-Mexico-Organized Crime!

LBJ/Gov.Connally used to buy Politicians with Bags of Cash,
Bags & Bags of Cash, Picked Up at 'Cash Drop Off Points'!

Just the tip of the Iceberg!

TAXPAYERS ARE POOR wrote:

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You missed the Points:
Tribes/Public Lands should have control of the Resources on those Lands!

Public lands are govt land.

TAXPAYERS ARE POOR wrote:

Usually those Lands are Underfunded -

IF you mean Native reserves, you're full of shit. Most of the money problems on MANY reserves has to do with chiefs treating them like their own personal fiefdoms.

TAXPAYERS ARE POOR wrote:

the Oil/Minerals are much-needed sources of income for their Survival!

Then they need to quit sitting on thier asses and actually work at retrieving those resources themselves instead of merely expecting a cut of the action.

TAXPAYERS ARE POOR wrote:

If Tribes/Public Lands are forced to be involved w/the Pipeline,
their Legal Liability is huge!

No, any liability would belong to Enbridge.

TAXPAYERS ARE POOR wrote:

Any serious Lawsuits would Bankrupt the Tribes & Public Land involved!

See above

TAXPAYERS ARE POOR wrote:

The only 'survivors' would be the mega-rich-Corporations/Lawyers !
The 'losers' would be American Public/American Indians/Taxpayers/
nature/wildlife/future generations of children born defective-
cancers-lifetime of medical diseases!

Of course long trains carrying oil presents none of those risks.

TAXPAYERS ARE POOR wrote:

If the Pipeline goes thru,
it will make a few extremely rich,[/quote]As opposed to the handful that ARE getting very rich from transporting oil by rail?
[QUOTE who="TAXPAYERS ARE POOR"]the dangerous work will cost human lives,

This isn't 1870.

TAXPAYERS ARE POOR wrote:

the leaks will risk important public underground water reservoirs,

So would a train wreck. The nice thing about a pipeline is, when it does leak, it can be shut off. It's much harder to plug the leaks if dozens of tanker cars get breached in an accident.

TAXPAYERS ARE POOR wrote:

the real danger of Terrorism/Criminals blowing up the Pipeline!

Right, Keystone XL is the one they'd go after despite the fact there are already many pipelines criss-crossing the continent.

TAXPAYERS ARE POOR wrote:

Texas has oil/sand deposits in Texas-they can dig up Texas!

They already did, and California.

TAXPAYERS ARE POOR wrote:

Texas is Oil Greedy - Corrupt - Anti-US Govt.

So? I'm anti-US govt too and ALL humans are greedy to some extent.

TAXPAYERS ARE POOR wrote:

since before LBJ/Kennedy Assassination

Not American, don't care.

TAXPAYERS ARE POOR wrote:

TX-Cuba-Mexico-Organized Crime!

Name a state without organized crime

TAXPAYERS ARE POOR wrote:

LBJ/Gov.Connally used to buy Politicians with Bags of Cash,
Bags & Bags of Cash, Picked Up at 'Cash Drop Off Points'!

LBJ is dead.