Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

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#12381 Jul 21, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
Sexually unethical behaviour is has never been acceptable in human society. Rape creates physical and mental scars, children that dwell in social limbo, and social trauma. For Mormons, Joseph Smith’s transgressions caused lingering trauma, and apologising for those actions makes it worse. Joseph Smith may not have been as bad as a priest who abused 200 deaf boys, but he’s worse than plenty of others who endured the consequences of their bad behaviour.
You are a rape apologist if you think that Joseph Smith’s sexual transgressions have no impact on his credibility as the founder of Mormonism. It is hypocritical to think that abusive Catholic priests get what they deserve when they are publicly shamed, but that since Joseph Smith was founding The True Church his crimes can be overlooked. Even in our post-modern culture where consensual relationships between adults take many forms, everyone agrees that those relationships must be ethical. A religious leader leveraging his divine calling to get laid is not ethical. Defending that behaviour is just as bad.
http://mollymuses.wordpress.com/2010/07/19/ra...
And what she claims is the word of God to you as usual...you're a pathetic moron sometimes dude.
She said of herself, showing anger and negative man hating traits..."No. But my temple name is Miriam. Since I’m divorced and don’t have a lord and master of my own,"...she judged her family as..."..when most of my family is still happily entrenched in the LDS Church and extremely hostile to “apostates.”...so I am to believe her that every single member of her family has a character like you have against Mormons but they have against apostates? All of them mirrored Dana's, angry, hateful, foul mouthed to the core as Dana? Me thinks she exaggerates the characters of her entire family for an ill-purpose that serves her own hate and anger for Mormons. If she's willing to exaggerate truths to make her entire family out to be anti-apostate angry hate filled villains, what else will she write about and do the same to others to make exaggerated points? And you, jumping into your pathetic Mormon suit wants to believe every single anti-Mormon word she has to say as God's own truth.
She is even practiced at some Dana twists to make herself sound well and good of her opinions. Take the following...
"..told his male followers that their teenage daughters or legal wives needed to become his sexual partners.."...do note she seems confused with history and Smith. She isn't sure if Smith ordered all young teenage girls for sex slaves or, if Smith ordered their legal wives to be his sex slaves.
She is much like you dude. You should write her and slobber her with posts of gratitude for being such a righteous vixen as you no doubt see her.
She also wishes to believe like you, that in a dozen years Smith "bagged and shagged" at least 32 women but won't address how a guy doing all that shagging, only produced kids by one of those 32 women and teenage girls. She won't speak of how many of these wives Smith did for a dozen years that he didn't have kids with, went on to marry other men and suddenly were having 4 to 8 to 10 births during the rest of their lives.
You and she are two peas of a pod, pathetic moronic peas of a pod. You don't understand something so what do you do? You attack it instead of coming to understand it, so you can then attack what you don't agree with by strong evidence and facts.

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#12382 Jul 21, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
Sorry No Surprise, but I don't have to met you atrocity for atrocity. All I have to prove is that the Saints in Missouri brought the problem on to themselves. Mission accomplished. If they hadn't acted like a$$es, you would still be there today.
You have proved absolutely nothing as you think it's something. You pasted somethings that are general knowledge of both pro and con sides.
Unfortunately for you, you can't paste the statement of a governor that makes an apology for the past actions of a governor and people, concerning the atrocities they committed upon early Mormons by those good Christian people you so lovingly speak of, that this governor read information about from his own state historical archive vaults.
You still seem to validate 15 to 20 good Christian men raping Mormon women and or girls. And I only used three sources referencing those atrocities.

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#12383 Jul 21, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
Likewise, at the beginning of the Battle of Crooked River on 25 October 1838,
Concerning the Battle of Crooked River, there is never a right side in a battle/war where the results are death.
But historians pro and con do agree in general that the Battle of Crooked River happened because of the following summation...

The Battle of Crooked River followed soon after the forced removal of several hundred Latter-day Saints from De Witt in Carroll County, which occurred during the first part of October 1838. This expulsion marked essentially the third time a group of Latter-day Saints had been forced from their homes and lands in the state. The first forced exodus was from Jackson County in 1833, and the second was the politically negotiated removal from Clay and Ray counties to the newly created "Mormon" Caldwell County in 1836. Following the dislocation of the De Witt Saints, Missouri assailants continued to extend their threats against Latter-day Saints residing in Daviess County. But on this occasion. Church leaders decided to take decisive action to disperse their antagonists by removing the remaining handful of non-Mormons who continued to reside in Mormon-dominated Daviess County. They justified such aggressive actions because they clearly felt they had been pushed around long enough, and if they were forced to leave Carroll County, they should be entitled to occupy both Caldwell and Daviess counties exclusively.
The immediate events surrounding the Battle of Crooked River essentially began on 23 October, when Reverend Samuel Bogart wrote a letter to Major General David R. Atchison, supreme commander of the state militia in northwestern Missouri. That letter informed Atchison that Bogart and his Ray County troops would patrol the line between Ray and Caldwell counties because "The Mormons have burnt Gallatin and Mill Port, and have ravaged Daviess county... and they have threatened to burn Buncombe and Elk Horn and have been seen near and on the line between Ray and Caldwell." [Alex L. Baugh, "The Batle Between Mormon and Missouri Militia," Arnold Garr and Clark Johnson, eds., BYU Regional Studies in Latter-day Saint Church History, Missouri (Provo, UT: Department of Church History and Doctrine, BYU University, 1994), 85-86].

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#12384 Jul 21, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
And what she claims is the word of God to you as usual...you're a pathetic moron sometimes dude.
She said of herself, showing anger and negative man hating traits..."No. But my temple name is Miriam. Since I’m divorced and don’t have a lord and master of my own,"...she judged her family as..."..when most of my family is still happily entrenched in the LDS Church and extremely hostile to “apostates.”...so I am to believe her that every single member of her family has a character like you have against Mormons but they have against apostates? All of them mirrored Dana's, angry, hateful, foul mouthed to the core as Dana? Me thinks she exaggerates the characters of her entire family for an ill-purpose that serves her own hate and anger for Mormons. If she's willing to exaggerate truths to make her entire family out to be anti-apostate angry hate filled villains, what else will she write about and do the same to others to make exaggerated points? And you, jumping into your pathetic Mormon suit wants to believe every single anti-Mormon word she has to say as God's own truth.
She is even practiced at some Dana twists to make herself sound well and good of her opinions. Take the following...
"..told his male followers that their teenage daughters or legal wives needed to become his sexual partners.."...do note she seems confused with history and Smith. She isn't sure if Smith ordered all young teenage girls for sex slaves or, if Smith ordered their legal wives to be his sex slaves.
She is much like you dude. You should write her and slobber her with posts of gratitude for being such a righteous vixen as you no doubt see her.
She also wishes to believe like you, that in a dozen years Smith "bagged and shagged" at least 32 women but won't address how a guy doing all that shagging, only produced kids by one of those 32 women and teenage girls. She won't speak of how many of these wives Smith did for a dozen years that he didn't have kids with, went on to marry other men and suddenly were having 4 to 8 to 10 births during the rest of their lives.
You and she are two peas of a pod, pathetic moronic peas of a pod. You don't understand something so what do you do? You attack it instead of coming to understand it, so you can then attack what you don't agree with by strong evidence and facts.
I do understand a pervert using and abusing the good name of the Lord to get his rocks off. But call me "pathetic moron" again if it helps. He didn't marry them to shake their hands. LOL!!!

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#12385 Jul 21, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
You have proved absolutely nothing as you think it's something. You pasted somethings that are general knowledge of both pro and con sides.
Unfortunately for you, you can't paste the statement of a governor that makes an apology for the past actions of a governor and people, concerning the atrocities they committed upon early Mormons by those good Christian people you so lovingly speak of, that this governor read information about from his own state historical archive vaults.
You still seem to validate 15 to 20 good Christian men raping Mormon women and or girls. And I only used three sources referencing those atrocities.
The statement of the governor has nothing to do with the events of 1838. And you validate Smith sticking his dick in anything that moved.

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#12386 Jul 21, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
The statement of the governor has nothing to do with the events of 1838. And you validate Smith sticking his dick in anything that moved.
You are so creepy its just nasty... I've heard gay people don't care who they offend because life is all about them.

You are proving that with the way you talk.

You are just creepy, nasty, and a pervert.

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#12387 Jul 21, 2012

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

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#12388 Jul 21, 2012
NoMo wrote:
Mormon women in burka's, the time is coming.

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#12389 Jul 21, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
I do understand a pervert using and abusing the good name of the Lord to get his rocks off. But call me "pathetic moron" again if it helps. He didn't marry them to shake their hands. LOL!!!
When you jump on someone's band wagon because you think it fits your cause, without checking them and or there sources, that's acting like a pathetic moron.
I sent a message to "Molly" asking why they support a theory not rooted by facts but rumors and weak evidence. I gave them the same information I have given you to consider. I will tell you if they reply.
You and everyone else(as even I believed one time)have a theory and no biological evidence to support it. I did the smart thing and stopped supporting that theory. If the theory actually had biological evidence, that would have been one thing. But there is none. And to support any theory that has no facts and claim the theory is based on facts is an out right moronic, pathetic self indulged lie. Get it yet? Eh?

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#12390 Jul 21, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
The statement of the governor has nothing to do with the events of 1838. And you validate Smith sticking his dick in anything that moved.
lolol....you're a fricking moronic mentally challenged idiot at times like now...lol. You're the one that ATTEMPTS to validate smith sexing up 30+ women for over a dozen years and only impregnates ONE...lolol.....fricking stupid, mentally challenged idiotic reasoning but definitely par for the course for you dude!
Next, the governor of Missouri apologized because he read historical facts of the atrocities committed on the Mormons. He didn't apologize for something that didn't happen so people could call him an idiot, fricking read his statement shallow mind lol.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#12392 Jul 21, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
lolol....you're a fricking moronic mentally challenged idiot at times like now...lol. You're the one that ATTEMPTS to validate smith sexing up 30+ women for over a dozen years and only impregnates ONE...lolol.....fricking stupid, mentally challenged idiotic reasoning but definitely par for the course for you dude!
Next, the governor of Missouri apologized because he read historical facts of the atrocities committed on the Mormons. He didn't apologize for something that didn't happen so people could call him an idiot, fricking read his statement shallow mind lol.
I don't have to validate that Smith was a sexual predator. The facts are there. If he wasn't screwing his "wives" he wouldn't have had to hide it from Emma. That is a fact. But you keep pretending, I don't care what hissy fits you throw.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#12393 Jul 21, 2012
From Chapter 10 of "Wife No. 19 by Ann Eliza Young:

A merchant of Salt Lake City, an Englishman named Jarvis, was suspected of being cool in the faith, and to have little or no sympathy with the fanatical proceedings which attended the Reformation and formed its chief feature. His store was entered one evening by Saints in disguise, he was pulled over the Counter by the hair of his head, dragged into the street and thrown into the snow, his store plundered, all the money taken away, his house set on fire, and his two wives barely given time to escape with their children. As an excuse for all this he was accused of having "spoken against the authorities, and had entertained Gentiles at supper."

One of the wives of Mr. Jarvis wrote quite a thrilling account to some of her English friends respecting their treatment; and as her story is so simply and yet plainly told, I shall insert it here, as being the best description I can give of it and similar scenes. It is dated from " Weston, Missouri," the August following the year of the Reformation.

"After Mr. Grimshaw left Salt Lake, Mr. Jarvis made known to Brigham Young his intention to leave the Territory and return to the States, with his reasons for so doing; but his letter was never answered. Brigham made some allusion to it in public, which seemed to convey the idea that he approved of the course Mr. Jarvis had taken, rather than try to leave clandestinely. From that time we began to dispose of our property, and draw everything into as small a compass as possible. As the winter drew on, various reports were circulated ; such as, that we intended to dispose of our large house to the soldiers, and were buying grain to store it for them. This is a `capital' offence in the Salt Lake Valley, for the Mormons protest that no Soldier shall sleep in Salt Lake City one night. It was also said that Mr. Jarvis had sworn to take the life of President Young that be was boarding States officers at his house; and many more such stories, as strange and unlikely as they were untrue; for when Mr. Jarvis wrote to President Young, he made the offer of all or any part of his property to him first, if he chose to purchase it, and told him that he would rather sell it to the church than to any one else. Time passed on, and we heard some whispers that something dreadful was going to happen to us; but we thought little about it, and felt perfectly safe, until the 13th of January, 1857. when, at half past six in the evening, a man knocked at the front door, which was locked, and asked for some trifling article out of the shop. While Mr. Jarvis was attending to him, two men walked in and hastily stepped up to him. One of them caught him by the hair and by the collar, and pulled him across the counter, saying,`You are my prisoner.' Mr. Jarvis said,`For what? If you have any charge against me, I will go where you wish.' To this no answer was returned but oaths and curses. They dragged him on the ground some distance, and then brought him back into the doorway, all the time trying to strangle him, and threatening to shoot him if he made any noise. One of them made a desperate kick at him but missed his aim.

To be continued...

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#12394 Jul 21, 2012
"In the mean time Betsey and I were undressing the children; and hearing sounds of heavy footsteps and muttering undertones of strange voices and persons struggling in the passage, we looked at each other, and rushed to the door, each with a child in our arms. I succeeded in pulling open the room door in the passage, but I had no sooner done so than a man who was holding the door knocked me back into the room, flat upon the floor, with the baby in my arms, and, shutting the door again, held it fast. Instantly I laid the baby on the carpet, and, with all my strength, forced open the door, and found myself surrounded by a number of ruffians.- I believe five or six,- who were all in time dark, for they had extinguished the candle, and I calling aloud for Mr. Jarvis several minutes. In the end he, gasping for breath, answered me.

When I found where he was, I made a desperate rush at the man who was holding him, and the fellow, lifting up his hand, let go his hold of him, and he darted out of the open door like lightning, across the street, and round the corner to a neighbor's house to obtain assistance. He got to the door almost exhausted, and begged for help; but no one dared come until the master of the house, who was absent, returned. They fetched him, and when he heard the particulars of the attack made upon us, he said,`Sir, you must leave my house instantly. I have no sympathy for you. I would not protect my own father under the same circumstances.' Mr. Jarvis said,`What have I done?' The man replied,`You have done plenty; you covenanted to serve the Lord, and you are serving the devil, and I should not be surprised to see you with your throat cut.'

"After Mr. Jarvis had made his escape from the fiends, I turned to enter the house again, firmly believing that some of them were in pursuit of him, and begged to know of the men on the spot what they wanted. On. stepping forward to enter the door, I found it guarded by a man on each side, who pushed me backward into the snow. I rose and again attempted to enter the house, but was prevented in like manner, when I saw Mrs. M. coming out with the babies in their night-gowns, one under each arm, to carry them to a place of safety. When I found I could not, after several such attempts, force an entrance, I ran round to the back door and got in, but no sooner was I in than out again. I was tossed by the same ruthless hands as before. Many a time I was knocked down in the way I have described; and one of my front teeth was loosened, and my limbs most mercilessly bruised.

"Finding I could not enter to ascertain the state of affairs in the house, I determined to let the neighborhood know, and for many minutes stood shouting for help, until I was exhausted. I could hear that the windows were all being broken, and the furniture destroyed; when I was appalled by hearing Mrs. M. shriek out,`0, Mrs. Jarvis. the house is on fire!' I instantly ran in desperation, and got in at the back part of the shop,- and 0, my dear sister, what a scene! Flames and smoke up to the ceiling; the goods in the store, or shop, burning; and two men, almost suffocated, still intent upon the work of destruction - carrying lighted paper, and setting fire to everything that would burn!

To be continued...

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

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Marysville, CA

#12395 Jul 21, 2012
"The thoughts of my three boys sleeping up stairs; my husband, I knew not where,- perhaps murdered,- and seeing no hope of saving the house - for three rooms were then burning; the thought that to-morrow I and my children would have no home, no shelter, and be penniless, with the snow two feet deep, and not a friend that dare open the door to us,- they dare not do it, however much disposed they might be; for they were threatened with the same, and were told that if they heard the cry of fire they were to take no notice; all these things rushing into my mind at once, I grew desperate, and forced my way in at the front door, and implored the ruffians to let me fetch my children clown stairs. They muttered,`There's none of them there.' I said,`Yes, they are asleep in bed.' Then he said,`Go.' On passing Up stairs, I saw on one side the shop in flames, and the room, the furniture and windows broken, and our clothes scattered about, on fire. I shrieked out, when a man caught me by the throat, and I had to gasp for breath. I saved my children in their night-dresses, and the oldest had to run out with the snow up to his hips.

"When we found that the villains were gone, we put out the fire, throwing water upon it; and on one shelf was a large canister of gunpowder, within six inches of the flame, of which I did not know. I saved the house from being blown up, but I got my hands severely burned. Four large windows were broken out, one dozen chairs and a table destroyed; a stove and three tables broken; carpets, clothes, and goods burned in the store; and many silver watches and other substantial things stolen. making the damage sustained amount to nearly eight hundred dollars. Every day after was a living death,- a dying daily. We were never safe for an hour. When we appealed to the authorities, they advised us to be quiet about it, and `let it slide.' And so we did; for we could obtain no redress.

"The outrage upon us was never mentioned in the newspaper. We had to pocket the insult, and bear the loss; and now we are thankful we are out of it. We exchanged our property for land in the States, hired conveyances, and left on the 22d of April. We are now at Weston, eight miles from Leavenworth, where we arrived without any interruption; but we suffered greatly from the heat. We shall remain here till Mr. Jarvis makes arrangements for our future abode."

My father knew these people well in England; they were from Leeds, where they were highly respected. I have met them quite recently in Burlington, Iowa, where they are living in very comfortable circumstances. They have outgrown all tendencies towards Mormonism, and are now among its bitterest opponents.

This outrage is somewhat remarkable, because it was unattended by bloodshed,- a most extraordinary circumstance, when so many were killed outright who had sinned as Mr. Jarvis had. Innocent people suffered, and at that time, no Gentile was safe in the Mormon territory.

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#12396 Jul 22, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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I don't have to validate that Smith was a sexual predator. The facts are there. If he wasn't screwing his "wives" he wouldn't have had to hide it from Emma. That is a fact. But you keep pretending, I don't care what hissy fits you throw.
The truth is there are no facts whatsoever that prove Smith to be a sexual predator. It is merely a fantasy you've created in your own mind. Most likely due to your own struggle with perversion.

That you are so obsessed with the sex life of a guy who's been dead for well over a century and a half is an indication.

I've long believed you need professional help. The more I read of your "interests", the more convinced I am that I am correct.
Chris

United States

#12397 Jul 22, 2012
fedupwiththemess wrote:
I do. They do not go by the bible nor does the bible mention mormonism it it. They have created a so called "extension" or another book of the bible calling it the book of mormon. Mormonism was created by a horny man wanting to screw more than one woman so he made it up saying GOD told him to do so. Women fell for it.
IF you believe in Christ and his word you ARE without doubt a Christian. Mormons believe in Christ. His sinless life. His eternal selfless sacrifice that is the only way to Heaven. Mormons believe in all of Christs teachings and recognize Christ as THE authority of divinity and any teacher who teaches by his Holy Spirit is only a mouth piece to the public in his Holy behalf. Mormons teach all of the ten commandments and have a study class each Sunday to expound verses and chapters from the bible. Part of being Christian is to act and speak in holiness before the Lord. Please do so about our fellow Christians who claim to strive to be Latter-day Saints. The Christians in the Bible were called saints as well. We need to come together in the unity of the faith. This is what the Bible teaches.
TruthHere

Russellville, KY

#12398 Jul 22, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
<quoted text>
The truth is there are no facts whatsoever that prove Smith to be a sexual predator. It is merely a fantasy you've created in your own mind. Most likely due to your own struggle with perversion.
That you are so obsessed with the sex life of a guy who's been dead for well over a century and a half is an indication.
I've long believed you need professional help. The more I read of your "interests", the more convinced I am that I am correct.
Warren Jeffs could have used you as a lawyer. All cults have some type of sexual perversion in them.
The first thing Jim Jones did when he got his followers to Jonestown, Guyana was to dissolve all marriages an pair off different ones to different people.
David Koresh, Branch Davidian, started having sex with all the little girls in his cult saying God wanted him to fill the world with his offspring.
ALL cults ALWAYS have some type of sexual perversion.
TruthHere

Russellville, KY

#12399 Jul 22, 2012
I well say one thing. If all you Morons would go back to having all the sex with many wives or girlfriends you wanted in the church, you would get many more members.
Oh, that's right God told you to stop it. Funny how God told you to stop it at the exact same time Utah was trying to become a state and wouldn't be allowed to unless the Morons promised to stop with all the group sex.

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#12401 Jul 22, 2012
Again...

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim,
“I will be to this generation a second MOHAMMED , whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’”

And as you can see, Piratefighting's tactics and reasoning and excuses... sound like the rantings of a Muslim extremist.
piratefighting wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU HAVE NO CASE...
if your walking down an alley and people start burning your house... raping your wife... killing the men you associate with
I KNOW I SURE WOULD DEFEND MYSELF AND...
DON'T FORGET WE ARE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE... AMERICA...
where we have:
FREEDOM to CHOOSE the RELIGION of our CHOICE...
A RIGHT to DEFEND our property...
Even an ETHICAL RESPONSIBILITY to DEFEND THOSE WHO CAN'T DEFEND THEMSELVES...
from being being raped,molested,killed, having their homes burned down for what?
BECAUSE PEOPLE FORCE THEMSELVES ON OTHERS...
They are called:
CRIMINOPATHS.......SOCIOPATHS. ......PHYSOCOPATHS
These people WILL DO ANYTHING TO BRAINWASH Innoscent people... to force them... and control them... to believe stupid crap people FICTITIOUS POST ON THE INTERNET... or MANIPULATE THEM PERSONALLY...!

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#12402 Jul 22, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
<quoted text>
The truth is there are no facts whatsoever that prove Smith to be a sexual predator. It is merely a fantasy you've created in your own mind. Most likely due to your own struggle with perversion.
That you are so obsessed with the sex life of a guy who's been dead for well over a century and a half is an indication.
I've long believed you need professional help. The more I read of your "interests", the more convinced I am that I am correct.
It is Mormonism that promotes Smith as a holy man, a prophet of God, someone who claimed to have had a direct visit from God the Father and Jesus Christ. Now I could blindly buy the BS, or I can look at the character of this person to see if he is the kind of person God would used to restore his church, if indeed it needed restoration. His sexual perversions are an indication he was anything but a prophet. And if you want to play No Surprises game of pretending that people get married to not have sex, that makes the fool, you. If he wasn't having sex with them, he wouldn't have had to hide his activities from Emma or even the law. And just what right did he have to marry women who were already married? For what purpose? Those were women that had husband who were members and where serving missions at Smith's orders. Maybe you think it is alright for other men to claim your wife as their own, even if they are not having sex. Me? I would never tolerate it, and most normal people wouldn't either. And to top it off by claiming it was the will of the Lord just shows how deep the perversion runs in the man.

Anyone buying that BS are the ones who need the professional help. I refuse to be a fool for the LDS church.

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