Gov. Scott asks President Obama for disaster declaration

Jul 2, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: CBS 47

First Alert Weather Alert: Severe Thunderstorm Warning expires at 6:15 PM on 7/2, issued at 5:37 PM Bostwick, FL First Alert Weather Alert: Flood Warning expires at 11:37 AM on 7/3, issued at 11:37 AM Fort White, FL Tropical Storm Debby drenched several parts of Florida and brought flooding and other misery to northeast Florida and southeast ... (more)

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Why should Gov. Scott ask Obama for anything? He rejects healthcare while Florida has one of the highest rates of uninsured. Hospitals and doctors are flooded with people who can't pay, but he wants nothing with Obama's name on it. Now Florida has a disaster and he wants the federal government involved? Well you can't have it both ways.
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how stupid can jenny623 be

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That's your best reply? Oh wait, you're posting from Flori duh!
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How stupid can one be? The one that thinks obamacare is going to help anyone is how stupid one an be. Just think, if obamacare is so great then why oh why don't the gouvernment have to be on it. They have great insurance, that WE pay for.
We can't pay for insurance now????? Just wait till obamacare kicks in and any good insurance goes through the roof, that is if companies can even still, or will even try to offer it.
As for this disaster. Florida is and does rally through them all. I think that you jenny623 really needs to study what you defend. You might just get your eyes opened.
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How stupid can one be? The one that thinks obamacare is going to help anyone is how stupid one an be. Just think, if obamacare is so great then why oh why don't the gouvernment have to be on it. They have great insurance, that WE pay for.
We can't pay for insurance now????? Just wait till obamacare kicks in and any good insurance goes through the roof, that is if companies can even still, or will even try to offer it.
As for this disaster. Florida is and does rally through them all. I think that you jenny623 really needs to study what you defend. You might just get your eyes opened.
Your post makes no sense whatsoever yet you call Jenny stupid. Come back when you can make a reasoned argument or leave the debates to the adults.

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Why should Gov. Scott ask Obama for anything? He rejects healthcare while Florida has one of the highest rates of uninsured. Hospitals and doctors are flooded with people who can't pay, but he wants nothing with Obama's name on it. Now Florida has a disaster and he wants the federal government involved? Well you can't have it both ways.
The answer is very simple, If the Governor of any State “does not” request a disaster declaration from the President / Federal Government then those residents who would wish to get Federal subside loans would not be able to. The disaster declaration also has some other benefits that removes some legal barriers between the State and Federal governments.

In this case you are comparing apples to oranges, under the disaster declaration people can choose to accept government assistance. Under Obamacare you have no choose.

In both cases, whether you agree or disagree with governor Scott he is doing what he believes is the best for the citizens of his State.
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Saying how stupid one can be and calling them stupid is two different things. So why don't you come back when you can get it straight.
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sorry are two different things. I put an is instead or are. sorry
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lol just made it worse I think. Calling one stupid and saying how stupid one can be are two different things. LOL that might be right.
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Mr Logic in Jax wrote:
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The answer is very simple, If the Governor of any State “does not” request a disaster declaration from the President / Federal Government then those residents who would wish to get Federal subside loans would not be able to. The disaster declaration also has some other benefits that removes some legal barriers between the State and Federal governments.
In this case you are comparing apples to oranges, under the disaster declaration people can choose to accept government assistance. Under Obamacare you have no choose.
In both cases, whether you agree or disagree with governor Scott he is doing what he believes is the best for the citizens of his State.
As I understand, the dollar_value of recent rains to Florida farms and aquifers far exceeds the (local) damage done by flooding and wind damage by those same rains.

The effect is even more dramatic and cost-effective in cotton_growing drought-stricken SE Georgia. See the issue? Why should a state get Fed aid for a **weather event** from which the state obtained a net benefit? If those benefits are unequally spread then Florida state Gub'mnt may redistribute money to those hurt.

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It just seems hypocritical from someone who has loudly stated they want less of the federal government. It reminds me of people who complain about the police until they need one.
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The answer is very simple, If the Governor of any State “does not” request a disaster declaration from the President / Federal Government then those residents who would wish to get Federal subside loans would not be able to. The disaster declaration also has some other benefits that removes some legal barriers between the State and Federal governments.
In this case you are comparing apples to oranges, under the disaster declaration people can choose to accept government assistance. Under Obamacare you have no choose.
In both cases, whether you agree or disagree with governor Scott he is doing what he believes is the best for the citizens of his State.

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As I understand, the dollar_value of recent rains to Florida farms and aquifers far exceeds the (local) damage done by flooding and wind damage by those same rains.
The effect is even more dramatic and cost-effective in cotton_growing drought-stricken SE Georgia. See the issue? Why should a state get Fed aid for a **weather event** from which the state obtained a net benefit? If those benefits are unequally spread then Florida state Gub'mnt may redistribute money to those hurt.

Noshellswill on an occasion you and I do find common ground and this is one of those times. Personally I do not see why the Federal government is expected by the “Freedom Haters” to pay for that which knowing could happen. Isn’t that what savings accounts and even insurance for? If one lives near a river the possibility for flooding is there. If you live in Florida a Hurricane is possible. Channel 4 was interviewing a guy who lived on Black Creek, whose trailer was flooded. I while I do have compassion for those who have suffered lose there is also an understanding of harsh facts of life. He stated that he left his home for the safety of his family knowing he might lose everything and had “No” flood insurance, however a Big Screen was not as important as his families lives. I take it a place for his family to live and cloths are less important than the Big Screen and cable.

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It just seems hypocritical from someone who has loudly stated they want less of the federal government. It reminds me of people who complain about the police until they need one.
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Jenny, your right it is hypocritical for the governor to give the people of his state an option to request Federal Government help if they choose too. By the way have you done due diligents and researched what a disaster declaration entails?
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jenny623 wrote:
Why should Gov. Scott ask Obama for anything? He rejects healthcare while Florida has one of the highest rates of uninsured. Hospitals and doctors are flooded with people who can't pay, but he wants nothing with Obama's name on it. Now Florida has a disaster and he wants the federal government involved? Well you can't have it both ways.
Actually a lot of hospitals are flooded with people who choose not to pay. They choose not to be responsible and go to the doctor long before conditions become chronic. Others treat at ERs because they're in this country illegally, and they rely upon care for the common cold in an "emergency" setting to avoid accountability. Others think why pay when I can to to the ER and just never pay the bill. I think you'll find are more in the categories above, instead of people truly indigent and seeking "real" emergency care.
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Noshellswill on an occasion you and I do find common ground and this is one of those times. Personally I do not see why the Federal government is expected by the “Freedom Haters” to pay for that which knowing could happen. Isn’t that what savings accounts and even insurance for? If one lives near a river the possibility for flooding is there. If you live in Florida a Hurricane is possible. Channel 4 was interviewing a guy who lived on Black Creek, whose trailer was flooded. I while I do have compassion for those who have suffered lose there is also an understanding of harsh facts of life. He stated that he left his home for the safety of his family knowing he might lose everything and had “No” flood insurance, however a Big Screen was not as important as his families lives. I take it a place for his family to live and cloths are less important than the Big Screen and cable.
The traditional shelter for these hands-out-needy experiencing **events** is "ACT OF GOD". Hurricane, flooding, earthquake ... all unforeseeable and uncontrollable. Fifty years ago mebby.

Modern earth-science now forecasts and predicts those events, but people have learned to expect a free-ride while living (if I may say) above their station! Do folks building wood+glass hideaways in Co brush canyons expect (NOT!) to be burned to ashes once every 20 years? Who pays? Same with barrier-island sun+fun addicts! When the 8.5-BIGONE hits modern Ca. the reconstruction costs will be 75% uninsured and astronomical. When New Orleans goes under again (and it will go under) do you think the po po pooz will have any more insurance than they had the first time?

Many locations are unfit for permanent human habitation, and **forcing** the issue courts multiplying disaster social, personal and financial.
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Mr Logic in Jax wrote:
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The answer is very simple, If the Governor of any State “does not” request a disaster declaration from the President / Federal Government then those residents who would wish to get Federal subside loans would not be able to. The disaster declaration also has some other benefits that removes some legal barriers between the State and Federal governments.
In this case you are comparing apples to oranges, under the disaster declaration people can choose to accept government assistance. Under Obamacare you have no choose.
In both cases, whether you agree or disagree with governor Scott he is doing what he believes is the best for the citizens of his State.
He did what he thought best for Columbia HCA, too. Trying to get a drug database was like pulling teeth. The high speed rail was killed because he didn't review the ridership studies. He opposed the economic stimulus package, but took it anyway. His opposition to Obamacare is 75% partisanship. Just say "No" is not an action plan.

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Thank God he killed the black hole called “high speed rail” He not only saved the State of Florida millions right now he saved the State form billions that would have been wasted in the future. As for those ridership studies if they were 20 times better than the ones done for the Riderless express here in Downtown Jacksonville then dare good thing he ignored them. California didn’t and they are and will be paying dearly for it for many years to come.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname...

CALIFORNIA'S high-speed rail project looks set to go way over budget, and Kevin Drum says "Sacramento needs to pull the plug on this, and they need to pull it now."
I'm sorry HSR lovers. I love me some HSR too, but this project is just a fantastic boondoggle. It didn't even make sense with the original cost estimates, and it's now plain that it's going to cost three or four times more than that. What's more, the ridership estimates are still fantasies and it won't be able to compete with air travel without large, permanent subsidies. This is just too much money to spend on something this dumb. It's the kind of thing that could set back HSR for decades.
That's probably right. But I think it's worth putting a couple of qualifiers on the universally jeering response this cost-overrun news has received. First, major infrastructure projects around the world, whether they involve rails, roads or "fixed-links" (airports, bridges, tunnels, etc), usually run way over budget. Among the favourite researchers of high-speed rail opponents are the Danish team of Bent Flyvbjerg, Mette Holm and Soren Buhl. In a study they ran on over 250 major infrastructure projects going back to 1927, they found that nine out of ten went significantly over estimates; the mean cost escalation on rail projects was 45%, with a substantial number running 60-100% over budget. So while the estimated rise from $6.8 billion to $10-13.9 billion on the Merced-to-Bakersfield link of the California high-speed rail project is huge, it's not unheard-of. The Intercity-Express (ICE) high-speed rail link from Frankfurt to Cologne, for example
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Just goes to show Governments have no clue on how to Budget a Project and thus there “”projected”” budgets are useless.

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COMMENTARY | The Los Angeles Times reports California Gov. Jerry Brown has dropped efforts to protect the high-speed rail project from environmental lawsuits. The Washington Examiner points out this decision kills the project.
Federal law mandates construction begin on Dec. 12 or the project will not be eligible for federal subsidies. By allowing environmental groups and their battalions of lawyers freedom to snarl the project in court, Brown has assured that no construction will begin by the deadline.
High-speed rail is supposed to take polluting cars off the highways by enticing people to take the train when traveling, a goal of the environmental movement. But the tendency of environmentalists to engage in not in my back yard politics has trumped that goal. Something meant to alleviate a host of environmental ills has been stopped because it is not environmentally correct, something shared by just about all technology.
In this case, the environmentalists are joined by the libertarian Reason Foundation, which suggests the diesel engines to construct the system and the coal-fired plants that would provide the electricity once it was built would increase pollution. Reason has also criticized the project on cost and the availability of other modes of transportation such as cars and regional airlines.

As for Obamacare or the Largest “Tax increase” in the History of the world that will lead to less care at higher cost (Note the facts of Government Budget predictions) then again if one does not say “No” then they are saying “YES”, I say HELL NO to Obamacare!

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The traditional shelter for these hands-out-needy experiencing **events** is "ACT OF GOD". Hurricane, flooding, earthquake ... all unforeseeable and uncontrollable. Fifty years ago mebby.
Modern earth-science now forecasts and predicts those events, but people have learned to expect a free-ride while living (if I may say) above their station! Do folks building wood+glass hideaways in Co brush canyons expect (NOT!) to be burned to ashes once every 20 years? Who pays? Same with barrier-island sun+fun addicts! When the 8.5-BIGONE hits modern Ca. the reconstruction costs will be 75% uninsured and astronomical. When New Orleans goes under again (and it will go under) do you think the po po pooz will have any more insurance than they had the first time?
Many locations are unfit for permanent human habitation, and **forcing** the issue courts multiplying disaster social, personal and financial.
Really noshellswill, earthquakes, really and while splitting hairs a little I would say Modern earth-science informs us of what could happen verses predicting what will happen, however no need to debate further IMHO.

All locations that man chooses to live have some risk and some have more than others. I guess the question is should your neighbor have a choice in whether or not to pay for the consequences for the amount of risk we as individuals choose to take?
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The biggest thing is that we need to get government out of out business. We need to succeed or fail by our own hands. I know that ther are times when someone actually needed a little help to get back on their feet, but the majority of people that live on welfare have made a carreer out of it.
Women having babies every couple of years to stay on the system is so wrong. And even the fathers of these kids don't marry the girl they just live in the house and benifit from the services.
Government has stuck they nose in all our business until they have taken over. You can't sneeze without having to ask government for a tissue.
We need to quit getting taxed to death.
I am tired of seeing our freedom getting less and less free.
Don't you get tired of the bondage. We are supposed to the best best country out there, but we are becoming a laughing stock.
Get the idiots out of office. The ones that keeps on voting on stupid.
Healthcare. You have to vote on it to read it. And they did. What a stupid move.
It wasn't a tax but it is a tax. That is why the supreme court ruled it constitutional. Obama said over and over that it wasn't a tax.
Anyone who is for Obama. Take the time to listen to his lies.
And as for the help. If a stat needs help then they need it. It isn't for Scott, it is for the people that are out of a home due to the flood.
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noshellswill wrote:
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The traditional shelter for these hands-out-needy experiencing **events** is "ACT OF GOD". Hurricane, flooding, earthquake ... all unforeseeable and uncontrollable. Fifty years ago mebby.
Modern earth-science now forecasts and predicts those events, but people have learned to expect a free-ride while living (if I may say) above their station! Do folks building wood+glass hideaways in Co brush canyons expect (NOT!) to be burned to ashes once every 20 years? Who pays? Same with barrier-island sun+fun addicts! When the 8.5-BIGONE hits modern Ca. the reconstruction costs will be 75% uninsured and astronomical. When New Orleans goes under again (and it will go under) do you think the po po pooz will have any more insurance than they had the first time?
Many locations are unfit for permanent human habitation, and **forcing** the issue courts multiplying disaster social, personal and financial.
You left out tornados. By your logic, nobody should live anywhere in the entire Midwest and most of the South, just based on tornado threats alone.

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