Wooooooah!

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Heloise wrote:

<quoted text>I think the desire among prosecutors to see an obvious, age-old motive for this case harmed it with regard to ascribing culpability to Patsy full-stop - a theory that required some lateral thinking like yours probably never stood a chance.

Separately, in terms of things that have harmed this case, I am starting to think that a grave error was made in having Thomas and Trujillo do the first interview. I don't think Trujillo had the smarts and, in his haste to cover as much territory as possible, Thomas kept finishing Patsy 's sentences for her. Letting her ramble on might - with the benefit of hindsight - have been a more productive strategy. Certainly, I think Jane Harmer should have been involved.

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BrotherMoon wrote:

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Wrong as usual. Try watching Mystery Diagnosis.

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Heloise wrote:

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I think the desire among prosecutors to see an obvious, age-old motive for this case harmed it with regard to ascribing culpability to Patsy full-stop - a theory that required some lateral thinking like yours probably never stood a chance.
Separately, in terms of things that have harmed this case, I am starting to think that a grave error was made in having Thomas and Trujillo do the first interview. I don't think Trujillo had the smarts and, in his haste to cover as much territory as possible, Thomas kept finishing Patsy 's sentences for her. Letting her ramble on might - with the benefit of hindsight - have been a more productive strategy. Certainly, I think Jane Harmer should have been involved.

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Capricorn wrote:

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I think the list of the things and people who have harmed this case would be a mile long and the Ramseys top the list at #1

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Heloise wrote:

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Absolutely, Cappy< and I didn't mean really to criticise ST. He was doing the best he could with the hand he'd been dealt. The circumstances of that first interview were calculated to work for the Ramseys and ST was just trying to press her. Unfortunately, his interview technique played right into Patsy's hand and she could legitimately claim in DOI that he hadn't let her finish her statements.
As for the Ramseys, even if they were innocent, they would have to admit that only they could answer questions about JBR and her life and that their reticence about talking to LE meant that they personally ensured her killer would not be caught.

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Heloise wrote:

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I think the desire among prosecutors to see an obvious, age-old motive for this case harmed it with regard to ascribing culpability to Patsy full-stop - a theory that required some lateral thinking like yours probably never stood a chance.

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Heloise wrote:

This is probably just pop-psychology by modern standards, but there was an Allied study in WW2 hospitals which demonstrated with astonishing clarity that men aren't great at seeing lies in women while women know when other women are lying (and vice versa for male lies). I doubt the testing of that era would stand up to modern scrutiny but I suspect there's a germ of truth in it and that, for that reason as well as others, a woman should have had more involvement in Patsy's interviews.

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BrotherMoon wrote:

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That is an old axiom, probably going back to the Greeks.

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Heloise wrote:

This is probably just pop-psychology by modern standards, but there was an Allied study in WW2 hospitals which demonstrated with astonishing clarity that men aren't great at seeing lies in women while women know when other women are lying (and vice versa for male lies). I doubt the testing of that era would stand up to modern scrutiny but I suspect there's a germ of truth in it and that, for that reason as well as others, a woman should have had more involvement in Patsy's interviews.

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BrotherMoon wrote:

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That is an old axiom, probably going back to the Greeks.

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Capricorn wrote:

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I agree with you about ST and others too who interviewed the Ramseys. They never let them finish their statements before interjecting something else and interrupting them
There was no perfect players in all of this but some less perfect than others.
There is nothing innocent about the Ramseys IMO and their behavior just reinforces that belief for me