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Detroit Breakdown
Clinton Township, MI
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gink wrote: <quoted text>im the gink from patchogue ny...the new gink is from mi.... i dont know why someone would use a name belonging to someone else. if it isnt from patchogue ny it isnt me. Gink. Have you morphed back into Gary again? Stop doing that, you`re confusing Yikes.
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gink
Edison, NJ
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Autumn
AOL
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RacerRex wrote: I would also like to see the pics of JB from the Whites party. I cannot believe that Patsy styled her hair like that for a party, with mismatched hair ties. Patsy was all about appearances. IF she did redo her hair after they got home from the party, while JB slept, it would just be one more lie that she'd be caught telling. She said she ONLY changed her pants to the longjohns. Yes she said that... But, Did you ever think that fixing your daughters hair is such a minor everyday thing to most Moms, that they might not think to mention it after they find a ransom note, discover their daughter missing and then their daughter is found murdered in her own home? Most likely that was stress and shock and I wouldn't expect it to be a Mothers first thought of being a detail that would have been needed to find her {at the time} or IMO to solve her murder then or now... Many people forget things under stress, some to the point of having stress induced amnesia... It doesn't mean she intentionally lied... What would be the point, of lying about something like that??? It seems more likely than not that it was forgotten because of the circumstances and not because she thought re-doing her daughters hair would make her look guilty of her murder.... IMHO Things like that, shouldn't even be part of this crime... At all.... Everybody should wonder about how they would stand up to and feel about having their parenting skills under a microscope like Patsy has... Some of these things are absolutely ridiculous to me... If you think Patsy killed her daughter then by all means include it all in your theory, because IMO that is all you have that points to her, but if you think an intruder could have done it, then I think you are wasting your time... Nobody is perfect... No parent is perfect and sometimes they fix their kids hair weird or let them wear big underwear if they want to, that IMO doesn't make them bad parents... The things that would make them bad parents are the things that this investigation has NEVER uncovered... The rest is very minor... This child was fed, clothed, had her own room, made the honor roll at school, loved to show off her talent, made friends and played well with them, she got along with her family, had faith in God, went to school without any long absences {to heal bruises}, she was not disciplined physically, she was close to her mom, she had a kind heart and an ability to share with others... This was NOT an abused child as far as I can tell... Even if Patsy let her wear big underwear, lightened her hair, let her be in pageants, and put her to bad with a weird hairstyle... Are any of you perfect parents, because I'm not. And for my children's sake... I would never want to be... From all appearances JonBenét was a happy. well adjusted, adored and loved little girl, who cared about others and loved to play dress up, although she might have had some self esteem issues regarding her bed wetting problem, which shows no signs of being anything other than genetics.... Show me any parent that could stand up to this kind of scrutiny without finding anything at all wrong with them at all and I'll show you a child that will spend years in therapy after trying to live up to those parents expectations... Children are awesome beings they teach us how to be good parents if we let them and I think Patsy was trying her best to learn, but was afraid to relax and enjoy it, because she was afraid of dying... To me there is nothing sinister in doing that after barely surviving a battle with a very deadly cancer.....
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jahazafat
Cleveland, WI
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We all expect parents of missing or dead children have a slow motion movie playing in their heads 24/7...
of the last time they touched their child... bathed their child... fed their child... read to their child... talked with their child... played with their child... kissed their child... even fought with their child... the last time they saw their smile... or saw them breathe.
It seems information and answers to questions would be easily accessed unless there was a counscious effort in another direction. All Patsy could muster up were strings I don't remember.
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Autumn
AOL
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jahazafat wrote: We all expect parents of missing or dead children have a slow motion movie playing in their heads 24/7... of the last time they touched their child... bathed their child... fed their child... read to their child... talked with their child... played with their child... kissed their child... even fought with their child... the last time they saw their smile... or saw them breathe. It seems information and answers to questions would be easily accessed unless there was a counscious effort in another direction. All Patsy could muster up were strings I don't remember. There are 5 stages of grief loved ones go through... The first happens to be denial.... Why don't you go to this site and ask them what they went through while trying to heal after the murder of their child.... Parents of murdered children http://www.pomc.com/
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Autumn
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Nancy Drew wrote: Jahazafat, I don't question your Doll credentials. LOL...:0)
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jahazafat
Cleveland, WI
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That's an interesting proposition you brought up, the stages of grief and the denial of death. I'm very familar with it.
The thing is, Patsy didn't deny JonBenet was dead when the body was brought up from the basement. This goes against the very specific human reactions and known behaviors about death. She was well past the denial stage. As though Patsy had all morning and likey most of the evening beofre to cope with the fact her baby was dead....
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Autumn
AOL
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jahazafat wrote: That's an interesting proposition you brought up, the stages of grief and the denial of death. I'm very familar with it. The thing is, Patsy didn't deny JonBenet was dead when the body was brought up from the basement. This goes against the very specific human reactions and known behaviors about death. She was well past the denial stage. As though Patsy had all morning and likey most of the evening beofre to cope with the fact her baby was dead.... Obviously you aren't as familiar with it as you think you are..... Go talk to parents who have had their child murdered and get back to on that.... In Patsy's police interview she say's: We love that child, not loved, but love" she talked about JonBenét in the present tense, that is "Denial" and that is what happens when you can't except you loved ones death...... If you kill your loved one as brutally as JonBenét was murdered, I doubt very much that you would still speak of them in the present tense......
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Autumn
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jahazafat wrote: That's an interesting proposition you brought up, the stages of grief and the denial of death. I'm very familar with it. The thing is, Patsy didn't deny JonBenet was dead when the body was brought up from the basement. This goes against the very specific human reactions and known behaviors about death. She was well past the denial stage. As though Patsy had all morning and likey most of the evening beofre to cope with the fact her baby was dead.... Grief lasts forever... If you honestly think that most of an evening and a morning are enough time to come to terms with the brutal murder of your child by you or someone you love... Then, I certainly hope that you aren't a parent....
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g girl on the fence
Olathe, KS
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Autumn wrote: <quoted text> Yes she said that... But, Did you ever think that fixing your daughters hair is such a minor everyday thing to most Moms, that they might not think to mention it after they find a ransom note, discover their daughter missing and then their daughter is found murdered in her own home? Most likely that was stress and shock and I wouldn't expect it to be a Mothers first thought of being a detail that would have been needed to find her {at the time} or IMO to solve her murder then or now... Many people forget things under stress, some to the point of having stress induced amnesia... It doesn't mean she intentionally lied... What would be the point, of lying about something like that??? It seems more likely than not that it was forgotten because of the circumstances and not because she thought re-doing her daughters hair would make her look guilty of her murder.... IMHO Things like that, shouldn't even be part of this crime... At all.... Everybody should wonder about how they would stand up to and feel about having their parenting skills under a microscope like Patsy has... Some of these things are absolutely ridiculous to me... If you think Patsy killed her daughter then by all means include it all in your theory, because IMO that is all you have that points to her, but if you think an intruder could have done it, then I think you are wasting your time... Nobody is perfect... No parent is perfect and sometimes they fix their kids hair weird or let them wear big underwear if they want to, that IMO doesn't make them bad parents... The things that would make them bad parents are the things that this investigation has NEVER uncovered... The rest is very minor... This child was fed, clothed, had her own room, made the honor roll at school, loved to show off her talent, made friends and played well with them, she got along with her family, had faith in God, went to school without any long absences {to heal bruises}, she was not disciplined physically, she was close to her mom, she had a kind heart and an ability to share with others... This was NOT an abused child as far as I can tell... Even if Patsy let her wear big underwear, lightened her hair, let her be in pageants, and put her to bad with a weird hairstyle... Are any of you perfect parents, because I'm not. And for my children's sake... I would never want to be... From all appearances JonBenét was a happy. well adjusted, adored and loved little girl, who cared about others and loved to play dress up, although she might have had some self esteem issues regarding her bed wetting problem, which shows no signs of being anything other than genetics.... Show me any parent that could stand up to this kind of scrutiny without finding anything at all wrong with them at all and I'll show you a child that will spend years in therapy after trying to live up to those parents expectations... Children are awesome beings they teach us how to be good parents if we let them and I think Patsy was trying her best to learn, but was afraid to relax and enjoy it, because she was afraid of dying... To me there is nothing sinister in doing that after barely surviving a battle with a very deadly cancer..... That was nice, Autumn. Very nice.
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Autumn
AOL
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g girl on the fence wrote: <quoted text> That was nice, Autumn. Very nice. Thank you GGirl....:0)
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