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4tommy wrote:

TROMBLEY DEFINATELY HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT THE REST OF THEM. QUIT LISTENING TO OTHERS TELL THERE STORIES. ONE OF THOSE GUYS WOULD HAVE ROLED ON THE OTHER IF YOUR THEORY WAS RIGHT. IM ONLY ON HERE FOR ONE PURPOSE AND THATS TO PUSH LAW ENFORCMENT TO SPEND MONEY. MY DADS MURDER BROUGHT ME TO THIS CASE AND THERE IS FRESH DNA AND WARREN SAYS THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY TO TEST. THE PROSECUTORS ARE INVOLVED NOW. STAY TUNED TO FOX 2 AND YOU WILL SEE THE TRUTH. TRUST ME WHEN I TELL YOU DONS DAUGHTER WOULDNT HAVE BEEN TAKEN WITH OUT HIS OK.

They came to my house and asked me for my pubic hair the night they killed her. 4 witnesses signed statements to that effect and Sheriff`s department verified three of them and said the 4th was hearsay. I was at the Warren PD and told them I saw Michael in Detroit and heard him say that they killed her. His cousin said he didn`t think that was right, that wasn`t what he`d said they were gonna do and Michael said the b*tch turned me in. Then he fled to catch the plane. The only reason they didn`t call me to testify was that although 3 people had seen someone doing michael`s work in Florida (J. Shook), FBI couldn`t prove 100% that Michael had been here. Michelle, Dennis, and Jeff met Andy and them in the park with the blue station wagon. A man and woman who were in the search party pulled up when I was talking to Dennis and he stated they put the 3 pubic hairs in her underpants on purpose. Helen Dagner verified that I wrote that on this forum before police released that information about there being 3 pubic hairs in her underpants. John even shot at us, so your Don story doesn`t make a bit of sense. The CLUB can gon to h*ll.

DETROIT wrote:

<quoted text>They came to my house and asked me for my pubic hair the night they killed her. 4 witnesses signed statements to that effect and Sheriff`s department verified three of them and said the 4th was hearsay. I was at the Warren PD and told them I saw Michael in Detroit and heard him say that they killed her. His cousin said he didn`t think that was right, that wasn`t what he`d said they were gonna do and Michael said the b*tch turned me in. Then he fled to catch the plane. The only reason they didn`t call me to testify was that although 3 people had seen someone doing michael`s work in Florida (J. Shook), FBI couldn`t prove 100% that Michael had been here. Michelle, Dennis, and Jeff met Andy and them in the park with the blue station wagon. A man and woman who were in the search party pulled up when I was talking to Dennis and he stated they put the 3 pubic hairs in her underpants on purpose. Helen Dagner verified that I wrote that on this forum before police released that information about there being 3 pubic hairs in her underpants. John even shot at us, so your Don story doesn`t make a bit of sense. The CLUB can gon to h*ll.

This might all be true what your saying, it might not be, I don't know. I'm just telling you NO ONE would have taken Dons daughter without his ok. I am also telling you that David killed her. I don't know who any of these people are your talking about or Helen Dager. I just know my family has been killed by these same people and still not charged. IT JUST BLOWS MY MIND THAT WARREN PD TOLD ME TO MY FACE WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING TO TEST THE DNA. THE DETECTIVE LOOKED ME DEAD IN MY FACE AND TOLD ME "IF I WAS YOU I WOULD HIRE AN ATTORNEY AND GET THE MEDIA INVOLVED." THIS IS NO SECRET WITH WARREN PD, PROSECUTORS OFFICE, AND MYSELF. ITS JUST GOING TO TAKE TIME NOW BUT I WONT LET OFF NOW, THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT IN THIS CASE THAT DON AND DAVID WERE BEHIND IT.

4tommy wrote:

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This might all be true what your saying, it might not be, I don't know. I'm just telling you NO ONE would have taken Dons daughter without his ok. I am also telling you that David killed her. I don't know who any of these people are your talking about or Helen Dager. I just know my family has been killed by these same people and still not charged. IT JUST BLOWS MY MIND THAT WARREN PD TOLD ME TO MY FACE WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING TO TEST THE DNA. THE DETECTIVE LOOKED ME DEAD IN MY FACE AND TOLD ME "IF I WAS YOU I WOULD HIRE AN ATTORNEY AND GET THE MEDIA INVOLVED." THIS IS NO SECRET WITH WARREN PD, PROSECUTORS OFFICE, AND MYSELF. ITS JUST GOING TO TAKE TIME NOW BUT I WONT LET OFF NOW, THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT IN THIS CASE THAT DON AND DAVID WERE BEHIND IT.

dennis was in the blue station wagon waiting with michael when andy pulled up with her in Andy`s gray Ford van. Andy kicked her and her blood got on his sneaker and they bashed in her head. No Don and no David was there. period.

DETROIT wrote:

<quoted text>dennis was in the blue station wagon waiting with michael when andy pulled up with her in Andy`s gray Ford van. Andy kicked her and her blood got on his sneaker and they bashed in her head. No Don and no David was there. period.

And no one involved in this story have been charged? This is not facts and like I said, hopefully the real truth will come out now. There is alot more that will come out. I have a feeling some people post on this site to through people from the truth, possably friends of the killers. I will trust the right people to come forward now. For some reason I cant be messaged now so just go to Warren Pd or Macomb County cold case unit.They are well aware of me and all 3 cases I'm speaking of.

First you said their "trained" by a serial killer, then you say they stopped and asked 4 people for pubic hair, then you say they stopped and your house and kicked her infront of you and others. I can see why this fabricated story never was beleived and no one was charged, its not the truth.

DETROIT wrote:

<quoted text>dennis was in the blue station wagon waiting with michael when andy pulled up with her in Andy`s gray Ford van. Andy kicked her and her blood got on his sneaker and they bashed in her head. No Don and no David was there. period.

Of course you never heard of Don and David, thats why they have never been charged. These guys are true killers. They dont talk about what they did. These guys dont leave trails and forsure dont STOP AND TALK TO 4-5 PEOPLE AND ASK FOR PUBIC HAIR, THEY WOULD HAVE GRABBED IT FROM BAR. THEY WOULDN'T STOP AND TALK TO YOU, AND KICK HER IN FRONT OF YOU. "BUT THEN AGAIN, WHAT PROFESSIONAL TRAINED BY A SERIAL KILLER WOULD"? LIKE YOUR STORY. EVERYONE AND THERE BROTHER WOULD BE IN JAIL IF YOUR STORY WAS TRUE.

I hate to say this but I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST MISTAKES OF THIS CASE WAS THE ASSUMPTION DIANNA WAS TAKEN BY MISTAKE (I HATE TO SAY IT AND BLESS HER HEART) BUT MAYBE JUST MAYBE THE RIGHT GIRL WAS TAKEN. Before any makes assumptions on this, do your home work on Don and Dave.... Ive done my home work, I have viewed autopsy reports and viewed crime seen photos. I have talked to many and many people that fear their lives from them to. I have had people and family completely stop talking to me for fear of these two and retaliation. Just maybe they were putting out there message this way with Dianna (so sad) DO YOUR HOMEWORK

They would have had this case solved if the police would have done their jobs up north. When these same killers killed my Uncle "Andrews step dad" by beating him in the head they locked up Andrews mom Joyce, just to let her out the next morning. She said it was a accident and she ran him over on Van Dyke. They only charged her with drunk driving and let her go. He was beat to death because he found out truth of killing from David. There is alot more to this story im not going to post on public forum. ALL IM SAYING IS IF THE POLICE WOULD HAVE INVESTIGATED THIS CLOSELY UPNORTH, THEY COULD HAVE LINKED IT. WHAT I CAN GUARENTEE IS I KNOW WARREN HAS THIS FILE FROM THE STATE POLICE UP NORTH IN THEIR FILE HERE IN WARREN, I SEEN IT WITH MY OWN EYES.

4tommy wrote:

First you said their "trained" by a serial killer, then you say they stopped and asked 4 people for pubic hair, then you say they stopped and your house and kicked her infront of you and others. I can see why this fabricated story never was beleived and no one was charged, its not the truth.

You`re an idiot. I never said they asked 4 people for a pubic hair. I said 4 people signed statements of which one was ruled hearsay by the sheriff`s department. I never said any crap about them coming to my house and kicking her. Dennis said he saw Andy kick her. You`re just on here to mislead. Proof that what I said is true is that I plainly stated that the killers intentionally put 3 pubic hairs in her underpants and later police acknowled that 3 pubic hairs were found there. Not 1,2,4 or 5. They did believe me, FBI just didn`t have enough proof that Michael had left Florida. I even talked to seiffert`s mom and described Paul B. and she knew who that I was talking about.

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