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Figwit wrote:

Imo, there are, or should be, circles of importance (resembling those on an archery target)that clues to a crime fall into, in order to keep sight of what really happened as opposed to what might have been. I've made up four and am curious to see where the things thought of as evidence would fall for other people..
My first (1) or inner circle is datable to that night and it is clearly and irrefutably tied to the commission of the crime, or shows that an action (such as using a certain sharpie, or transporting a blanket) was part of the crime.
Ransom note, sharpie, pad.
Garrotte, ligatures, black duct tape, paint brush handle.
Paint tray, piece of paint brush in tray. Her injuries, position and condition of body, location of body, her clothes.
Blanket, barbie doll nightgown. Bloodstains and locations on her clothing.
The autopsy findings and photos.
Second circle:(2)
Is clearly tied to the elements that made up the crime or crime scene but it's not certain that the killer left it during commission of the crime.
Pineapple, prints on bowl, bowl.
Dna.
Fibers, especially on the duct tape, paint tray and garrotte. Dust, mold, particles (or lack of them) on her feet. Paint chip on shirt. The fact that the underwear was oversized.
Heart on hand. Hair ties, style.
(3) found at the scene, could be relevant but needs more to connect it to the crime, or alternate explanations have been found.
Partial palm print on door. High tech boot print. Broken window. Open butler pantry door, pry marks on doors. Rope in JAR room. Dust ruffle. Suitcase and contents.
(4) Things that are mere possibilities, speculative, or have little basis to connect them to the actual crime or crime scene at this time.
Outstanding keys, pedophiles living nearby. Pageant + Parade participation.
So what else does everyone see as important evidence, where would you put it, and why?

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larry wrote:

a brutally assaulted, disfigured, abused, hideous, swollen, savaged, innocent, unsuspecting, asphyxiated, tiny, baby daughter of two loving parents who would have done anything for her.
tells you everything about her killer

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Mama2JML wrote:

I think the DNA evidence should be in the innermost circle, it is substantially related to the commission of the crime. It's nearly impossible that the DNA in question is happenstance. Any scientifically-based, testable/measurable evidence should be in this category.(Handwriting, linguistics, fibers, hairs, DNA, fingerprints, shoe prints, etc.)
The most circumstantial/speculative evidence (Behavior, coincidence, etc.) should extend to the outermost circle.

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BrotherMoon wrote:

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The DNA has nothing to do with the case.

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BrotherMoon wrote:

Also, the initialism connection to the Psalms is a major clue.

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Mama2JML wrote:

I think the DNA evidence should be in the innermost circle, it is substantially related to the commission of the crime. It's nearly impossible that the DNA in question is happenstance. Any scientifically-based, testable/measurable evidence should be in this category.(Handwriting, linguistics, fibers, hairs, DNA, fingerprints, shoe prints, etc.)
The most circumstantial/speculative evidence (Behavior, coincidence, etc.) should extend to the outermost circle.

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Capricorn wrote:

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Please produce any scientific expert or any report that backs up anything you have claimed here about the DNA. You say it is nearly impossible that the DNA is happenstance. That isn't true unless you've got something from a scientific expert that says it is.
It is arrogant to state something that none of the experts are willing to state. I think you need to consider that

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MamaTrollDNA wrote:

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Pure speculation, but I'm sure you have some sort of tangible, measurable, forensic evidence. Please share...

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deb wrote:

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pictures found or taken in basement of jb
PATSY EXPLAINED THAT.

dog hair
WHAT DOG HAIR? I'VE HEARD RUMORS OF THAT BUT CAN YOU SUPPLY A SOURCE?

blood on pillow case
HOW IS THAT EVIDENCE OF AN INTRUDER?

something on carpet (took sample)
PATSY SAID SHE SPILLED WINE ON THE CARPET

curtain sash out of place
GIVE ME A BREAK. THE KIDS ROOM WAS A MESS.

bible verses
AGAIN, HOW IS THAT EVIDENCE OF AN INTRUDER?

dictionary
NO SOLID EVIDENCE THAT THE OPEN DICTIONARY HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE WORD "INCEST."

x'd out faces on newsletter/magazine
ONE OF THE KIDS, OR EVEN PATSY COULD HAVE DONE THAT.

torn up christmas card from MCR
IT WAS NOT SIGNED BY MCR SO THERE IS NO PROOF IT WAS EVEN FROM HIM.

crab plate saved for jb
PRISCILLA MADE UP A LOT OF PLATES OF THE CRAB. IT JUST MEANS THAT JB WAS NOT IN THE VICINITY WHEN IT WAS BEING SERVED SO THAT IS WHY SHE SAVED IT FOR HER.

miscellaneous fibers from unknown source
THEY HAD A FOYER PARTY EARLIER IN THE MONTH AND ANOTHER PARTY ON THE 23RD. VARIOUS KIDS WERE OVER THEIR HOUSE ON CHRISTMAS. THE FIBERS MEAN NOTHING.

white wig hair
SOURCE, PLEASE.

missing key from Barnhill's
THE BARNHILLS LOST ONE OF THEIR KEYS. IT HAPPENS. MYSTERY SOLVED.

wire
IT WASN'T USED IN THE CRIME AND THE CELLAR WAS FULL OF JUNK.

cigarette butts
I GET THEM IN MY YARD ALL THE TIME AND I DON'T SMOKE. EVER HEAR OF WIND?

lights seen in kitchen & butler pantry by neighbors
COULD HAVE BEEN THE RAMSEYS USING THEIR FLASHLIGHT SO THE NEIGHBORS WOULD NOT KNOW THAT THEY WERE UP AT THAT TIME OF NIGHT. YOU CAN'T CLAIM AN INTRUDER WAS IN YOUR HOUSE IF YOUR NEIGHBORS SEE YOU UP AND AROUND, CAN YOU?

Burke heard floor boards squeaking
HOW DOES THAT INDICATE AN INTRUDER?

pillow out of place
HOW DOES THAT INDICATE AN INTRUDER?

chair out of place
NO. IT WASN'T. I HAVE POSTED AND PROVEN THAT THIS IS FALSE OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

suitcase out of place
JOHN AND PATSY DON'T HAVE HANDS? THEY COULDN'T HAVE LIED AND STAGED THE SUITCASE? AND THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE...HOW?

hair ties out of place
WHO SAYS THEY WERE OUT OF PLACE? AND HOW DOES THAT INDICATE AN INTRUDER?

women's soft ball bat - unknown source
AND THE RAMSEYS COULDN'T HAVE LIED?

money in toilet
THERE WAS NO MONEY IN THE TOILET.

knives out of place
AGAIN, THE RAMSEYS DON'T HAVE HANDS AND COULD NOT HAVE LIED?

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Capricorn wrote:

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Please produce any scientific expert or any report that backs up anything you have claimed here about the DNA. You say it is nearly impossible that the DNA is happenstance. That isn't true unless you've got something from a scientific expert that says it is.
It is arrogant to state something that none of the experts are willing to state. I think you need to consider that

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The Truth Hurts wrote:

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See? There are alternate explanations for these thingS. None of them are definitive proof of an intruder.

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Mama2JML wrote:

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...It IS nearly impossible....

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Mama2JML wrote:

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It IS nearly impossible. Notice I said nearly, both here and above. Look it up yourself, the BPD and DA's office has the expert opinions on file. I'm sure you can find a news article about it...
BTW, this is all I've been given by people who think the DNA is useless: An unknown male "sneezed in JB's underwear" and then "JB rolled and crawled all around getting the same person's skin cells" on the interior of her waistband. Do you have anything to add?